Super College Football thread (4 in 1)

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-30-2007, 01:50 PM

I say it depends. I either want WVU and Mizzou to BOTH win or lose.

Also, enjoy the top 15 USC stories of '07 courtesy of Bruins Nation. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 11-30-2007, 02:23 PM

If WVU loses, OU.

If not, Mizzou.

That's how bad I don't want Ohio State to play West Virginia.

And Missouri as National Champs would be the perfect ending to such a wild season.

Lurch1982 · 11-30-2007, 03:09 PM

None of the above.

Same as the Big East. Viva la chaos.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-30-2007, 03:09 PM

The fact that Georgia (one of my favorite teams) is ranked number 4 makes me want to see both Mizzou AND WVU lose. But they didn't win their division, so there's the question if they even deserve to be in. And you know what the lesson in all this is?

WE NEED PLAYOFFS NOW. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 11-30-2007, 03:18 PM

To elaborate:

WVA and Mizzou losses. Va Tech over BC, LSU over Tenn, USC over UCLA

Gives you (adjusting the current BCS standings);
Mizzou 11-2, WV: 10-2, OSU 11-1, Georgia 10-2, (but not in the conference title game or even division winner), Kansas 11-1 (same situation as Georgia), Va Tech at 11-2 and LSU at 11-2 (LSU with a head-to-head win), USC at 10-2 (with strong play as of late) and OU at 11-2 with a Conference title.

Here's where the chaos kicks in:

Georgia is higher polled than either SEC teams in the championship game, but can the BCS put an idle team that didn't qualify for that into the BGatE? Same with Kansas.

OSU is likely the 1 spot in the prime chaos event.

Leaving you with a likely pool of the following: Va Tech, LSU, USC, OU

Not to mention Hawaii being undefeated. Can you keep out an undefeated team from a mid-major in favor of a 2 loss major? "They didn't play anyone." Response: Neither did tOSU.

If Va Tech gets in, you have to answer LSU's head-2-head win. Argument for them is they lost to LSU at LSU. If LSU gets in, you have the question on if they're the best team in the SEC (Because of GA). USC has some sketchy losses, but have played strong since them. OU likely would get the jump because they just beat the number 1 team, although if Mizzou (and KU for that matter) were deserving of being that is still debatable.

Either way, someone in this situation gets screwed.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-30-2007, 08:40 PM

^I can't stress what I said in caps above enough times. -CSM

**Dr. Horrible** · 11-30-2007, 09:05 PM

Mizzou. Big 12.

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-30-2007, 09:07 PM

My guess is Georgia will probably wind up in the Rose Bowl if WVU or Mizzou is knocked out, which, for an SEC team, is a great prize (SEC teams normally don't get to go to the Rose Bowl). -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 11-30-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Not to mention Hawaii being undefeated. Can you keep out an undefeated team from a mid-major in favor of a 2 loss major? "They didn't play anyone." Response: Neither did tOSU..

I there there's a tad bit of difference between playing a 30-40something schedule and playing the schedule ranked dead last.

There is no #1 team this year. It's that simple. If pigs fly and have a snowball fight in hell and both Mizzou and WVU lose, then I'd just say "aww **** it" and let Hawaii and their crowds that look like they're straight out of a WWE event have their shot. Or maybe the BCS computer will even blow up.

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The fact that Georgia (one of my favorite teams)

WTF- Cuse basketball, Meatchicken and UGA football...were you a military brat as a child or are you just a giant frontrunner?

**Crazyswordsman** · 11-30-2007, 11:32 PM

^And Maryland basketball. No, if I were a frontrunner I'd be a UNC, USC, Ohio State (yes, YOUR team is the bandwagon team), Miami, Notre Dame, or Duke fan. -CSM

(Oh, and I forgot Illinois. They're a bandwagon team too).

Lurch1982 · 12-01-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy727

I there there's a tad bit of difference between playing a 30-40something schedule and playing the schedule ranked dead last.

There is no #1 team this year. It's that simple. If pigs fly and have a snowball fight in hell and both Mizzou and WVU lose, then I'd just say "aww **** it" and let Hawaii and their crowds that look like they're straight out of a WWE event have their shot. Or maybe the BCS computer will even blow up.

Why is it the whole "WE PLAYED THE SCHEDULE WE HAD AND BLEW EVERYONE UP" work for OSU but not Hawaii. People won't schedule Hawaii (same problem with Boise St.). Fact of the matter is they're staring at an undefeated schedule barring Washington clipping them this weekend (Oh wait, there's another indicator...WASHINGTON IS GOOD IN OSU LAND).

They're first in PPG and undefeated.

And Colt Brennan should win the Heisman, but he won't because Hawaii isn't on TV at any decent hour.

If Hawaii's crowds are straight out of WWE events, Ohio's crowds must be out of prisons, trailer parks, and Jerry Springer tapings.

ShyGuy727 · 12-01-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Why is it the whole "WE PLAYED THE SCHEDULE WE HAD AND BLEW EVERYONE UP" work for OSU but not Hawaii. People won't schedule Hawaii (same problem with Boise St.). Fact of the matter is they're staring at an undefeated schedule barring Washington clipping them this weekend (Oh wait, there's another indicator...WASHINGTON IS GOOD IN OSU LAND).

They've played two teams with winning records...TWO! And other than Boise, they haven't faced a defense ranked in the top 60! I don't care where the damn school is, if that mattered then soon we're going to have a geography column in the BCS formula. Find a way around it, offer more cash or hookers or something. Not to mention a combined opponent record of 51-89 and games with two sub-.500 FCS teams, one of which has only one win. At least Youngstown State is respectable in their own conference and division.

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They're first in PPG

And Ohio State is first in pass defense. What of it.

If it were up to me (assuming the Rainbow Warriors win), like I said before, Hawaii should get a BCS shot, and if WVU and Mizzou both fall then they should jump all the 2 and 3 lossers and play Ohio State.

I like Hawaii, I've been rooting for them, they're just a tough team to defend right now with all these worthy one loss schools in the mix.

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If Hawaii's crowds are straight out of WWE events, Ohio's crowds must be out of prisons, trailer parks, and Jerry Springer tapings.

I said the WWE thing just because during the Boise State game it seemed like everyone had a sign and some sort of costume or face paint on...it wasn't a knock.

That said, I can honestly say I didn't encounter a single piece of white trash when I went to the Michigan State game. So nyeh.

ShyGuy727 · 12-01-2007, 11:30 PM

Hawaii-Ohio State plz kthx.

If Hawaii loses tonight...just give Ohio State the title and let everyone else play for 2nd.

Pretty good for a "rebuilding" year, yeah?

**Dr. Horrible** · 12-01-2007, 11:32 PM

If by pretty good you mean schedule nobody and fall ass-backwards into a title game, then sure.

If Hawaii wins their bowl game, I hope they get an AP #1.

ShyGuy727 · 12-01-2007, 11:52 PM

lol you mentioned a weak schedule and Hawaii in the same post but were talking about a another team

Backed into? How the hell? Are you insane? They have one loss to a good football team. I love how after the Illinois game it was "lol ohio state overrated" but now after this Pitt miracle it's "zomg not fair, everyone above ohio state lost"

DJ Ryan · 12-01-2007, 11:56 PM

I think BCS will be the BCS and make it LSU/VT

Or even OSU/UGA.

The only thing is, VT and LSU BOTH played an extra game and won, which tends to factor into that retarded BCS.

Tourney plz, 11 conference champs, 5 at-large bids.

ShyGuy727 · 12-02-2007, 12:35 AM

Yes, let's scrap everything and have a tournament because once out of 100 years 50 miracle upsets happened to create a situation where there's this much argument over who should be in the National Championship.

Last year, I don't even know why there was even a debate, Ohio State who was undefeated and Florida who only had one loss with the toughest schedule in the country. Seemed pretty crystal to me.

Year before, Texas and USC. No problems.

Year before that, it should have been USC and Auburn as co-champions, but at least we had it narrowed down to three good teams at the end of the regular season, and two good teams after the bowls.

Year before, USC and LSU. Fine. And if USC and LSU had played each other in the bowl game to begin with, there would've been no need for a co-champion either.

The year before, clearly it came down to Miami and OSU. (Go Bucks!)

The year before, Miami was undisputed champ, and if Nebraska had somehow won, at worst it would've been a co-championship between Nebraska and Oregon.

Point is that the system can and does work. Every year, idiots who don't follow college football or bother studying the teams and their schedules cry out "DUHHH I can't tell who is good, we need playoff NAO!" Not saying playoffs don't work and wouldn't get a valid champ, but thinking of it as the only solution is wrong, when having the regular season and bowl games serve as a playoff works 99% of the time.

And now we have the year of chaos, which will make all the playoff believers hold their noses up high telling us all about how right they were about needing a playoff because of this one miracle year. It'd be stupid to change around everything in the sport because of one fluke year that we probably won't ever see an equivalent of in our lifetimes.

Some years, like a few of the ones mentioned above, I wouldn't mind a plus one. Only in those situations though. I disagree with allowing for good 1 or 0 loss teams to be upset by teams that under current circumstances wouldn't qualify for a national championship.

I also disagree with a playoff because I don't want to see teams who have clinched a spot in the playoffs resting their starters during rivalry week. That's just not college football, and that cannot be argued whatsoever.

The thing college football has over any other sport is that you will never hear the phrase "oh well, it's just one loss". Every game means the world, and every game causes stress to their fans.

The bowl games DO mean something. Even though Boise State didn't get a crack at Florida, their Fiesta Bowl win was NOT meaningless. WVU winning the Sugar Bowl for the first time in school history means to the world to that program and their fans and players. They all mean a helluva lot more than winning a stupid regional round playoff game or whatever it is you guys want.

Not every sport has to be the same. And one ****ed up year shouldn't mean you go screwing with 100+ years of tradition.

And that's all I have to say about that.

EDIT:

Disregard a lot of that. I don't even know what to think anymore. Both sides have great points and arguments. I'm on the fence, or I'm just going to try and not worry about it.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 01:47 AM

I can tell you right now that Georgia should be at least in the Rose Bowl.

We need playoffs NOW. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 12-02-2007, 02:50 AM

Georgia or LSU in the MNC with Ohio State.

DJ Ryan · 12-02-2007, 04:03 AM

I'm not going to bother to read all that right now, it's 3 AM, just because it's tradition, doesn't mean it's right. Lynchings were traditions for many southern families back in the 1800s, did that mean it was right?

The format has always been flawed, and what's worse is that every year it shows flaws, new flaws. Years like this, the year when Auburn got screwed out of a title shot, and mainly the BCS era at large prove that this system is completely ****ed up. It makes no sense whatsoever, regular season is a playoff my ass, the regular season is the regular season for a reason, schools should be encouraged to play competition and not scrub schools to boast their record.

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12-01-2007, 11:30 PM	#13
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12-02-2007, 12:35 AM	#17
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,052 Thanks: 35 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 30,844.33 Bank: 20,225.70 Total Points: 51,070.03 Donate	Yes, let's scrap everything and have a tournament because once out of 100 years 50 miracle upsets happened to create a situation where there's this much argument over who should be in the National Championship. Last year, I don't even know why there was even a debate, Ohio State who was undefeated and Florida who only had one loss with the toughest schedule in the country. Seemed pretty crystal to me. Year before, Texas and USC. No problems. Year before that, it should have been USC and Auburn as co-champions, but at least we had it narrowed down to three good teams at the end of the regular season, and two good teams after the bowls. Year before, USC and LSU. Fine. And if USC and LSU had played each other in the bowl game to begin with, there would've been no need for a co-champion either. The year before, clearly it came down to Miami and OSU. (Go Bucks!) The year before, Miami was undisputed champ, and if Nebraska had somehow won, at worst it would've been a co-championship between Nebraska and Oregon. Point is that the system can and does work. Every year, idiots who don't follow college football or bother studying the teams and their schedules cry out "DUHHH I can't tell who is good, we need playoff NAO!" Not saying playoffs don't work and wouldn't get a valid champ, but thinking of it as the only solution is wrong, when having the regular season and bowl games serve as a playoff works 99% of the time. And now we have the year of chaos, which will make all the playoff believers hold their noses up high telling us all about how right they were about needing a playoff because of this one miracle year. It'd be stupid to change around everything in the sport because of one fluke year that we probably won't ever see an equivalent of in our lifetimes. Some years, like a few of the ones mentioned above, I wouldn't mind a plus one. Only in those situations though. I disagree with allowing for good 1 or 0 loss teams to be upset by teams that under current circumstances wouldn't qualify for a national championship. I also disagree with a playoff because I don't want to see teams who have clinched a spot in the playoffs resting their starters during rivalry week. That's just not college football, and that cannot be argued whatsoever. The thing college football has over any other sport is that you will never hear the phrase "oh well, it's just one loss". Every game means the world, and every game causes stress to their fans. The bowl games DO mean something. Even though Boise State didn't get a crack at Florida, their Fiesta Bowl win was NOT meaningless. WVU winning the Sugar Bowl for the first time in school history means to the world to that program and their fans and players. They all mean a helluva lot more than winning a stupid regional round playoff game or whatever it is you guys want. Not every sport has to be the same. And one ***ed up year shouldn't mean you go screwing with 100+ years of tradition. And that's all I have to say about that. EDIT: Disregard a lot of that. I don't even know what to think anymore. Both sides have great points and arguments. I'm on the fence, or I'm just going to try and not worry about it. Last edited by ShyGuy727; 12-02-2007 at 02:53 AM.*

11-30-2007, 01:50 PM	#1
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11-30-2007, 02:23 PM	#2
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11-30-2007, 03:09 PM	#3
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11-30-2007, 03:18 PM	#5
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,228 Thanks: 120 Thanked 220 Times in 131 Posts Points: 31,780.47 Bank: 246,742.89 Total Points: 278,523.36 Donate	To elaborate: WVA and Mizzou losses. Va Tech over BC, LSU over Tenn, USC over UCLA Gives you (adjusting the current BCS standings); Mizzou 11-2, WV: 10-2, OSU 11-1, Georgia 10-2, (but not in the conference title game or even division winner), Kansas 11-1 (same situation as Georgia), Va Tech at 11-2 and LSU at 11-2 (LSU with a head-to-head win), USC at 10-2 (with strong play as of late) and OU at 11-2 with a Conference title. Here's where the chaos kicks in: Georgia is higher polled than either SEC teams in the championship game, but can the BCS put an idle team that didn't qualify for that into the BGatE? Same with Kansas. OSU is likely the 1 spot in the prime chaos event. Leaving you with a likely pool of the following: Va Tech, LSU, USC, OU Not to mention Hawaii being undefeated. Can you keep out an undefeated team from a mid-major in favor of a 2 loss major? "They didn't play anyone." Response: Neither did tOSU. If Va Tech gets in, you have to answer LSU's head-2-head win. Argument for them is they lost to LSU at LSU. If LSU gets in, you have the question on if they're the best team in the SEC (Because of GA). USC has some sketchy losses, but have played strong since them. OU likely would get the jump because they just beat the number 1 team, although if Mizzou (and KU for that matter) were deserving of being that is still debatable. Either way, someone in this situation gets screwed.

11-30-2007, 08:40 PM	#6
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11-30-2007, 09:05 PM	#7
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11-30-2007, 09:07 PM	#8
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11-30-2007, 11:32 PM	#10
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12-01-2007, 11:32 PM	#14
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12-01-2007, 11:52 PM	#15
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,052 Thanks: 35 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 30,844.33 Bank: 20,225.70 Total Points: 51,070.03 Donate	lol you mentioned a weak schedule and Hawaii in the same post but were talking about a another team Backed into? How the hell? Are you insane? They have one loss to a good football team. I love how after the Illinois game it was "lol ohio state overrated" but now after this Pitt miracle it's "zomg not fair, everyone above ohio state lost"

12-01-2007, 11:56 PM	#16
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12-02-2007, 01:47 AM	#18
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12-02-2007, 02:50 AM	#19
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,052 Thanks: 35 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 30,844.33 Bank: 20,225.70 Total Points: 51,070.03 Donate	Georgia or LSU in the MNC with Ohio State.

12-02-2007, 04:03 AM	#20
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