Super College Football thread (4 in 1) - Page 2

**Dr. Horrible** · 12-02-2007, 10:41 AM

Can you imagine Ohio State getting into the big game with that record any other year?

Hawaii is my "**** it, this whole thing is stupid" choice, since I don't see Ohio State beating a top tier SEC school and that would leave them as the only team with less than two losses who didn't also fail to win their conference championship (Kansas).

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 11:23 AM

Few observations:

Here's what I learned in college football this year:

To be in the BGatE:
1.) Coach in a major
2.) Hope to god your conference is on a down-year
3.) Don't schedule anyone

Illinois is decent (glad whatshisface with the texting turned them around), but their SoS benefitted from playing massively overrated opponents (Wisc and Penn) early on.

However, they still went out and played OoC opponents from majors, unlike OSU.

While Hawaii may have a weak schedule, they've won every game (unlike OSU).

But that's just smack designed to piss off OSU fans.

But what the hell Shyuy.

A rant defending the "tradition?" The system doesn't work, and it has never worked.

Championships should be decided on the field, not by logarithms. Here's the idiotic logic one has to use to figure out who's in the Nat. Champ. this year:

Well OSU has 1 loss, but they're somehow better than a 0-loss team and a 1-loss Kansas that didn't win their conference because they lost to Mizzou (#2 a the time) and didn't have to plaly a conference championship like everyone else in the majors (except the Pac-10).

LSU should be in before Va Tech because they beat them head to head by a crapton. However, Va Tech played strong since head-to-head and LSU may not be the best team out of the SEC. GA played hard down the stretch, but didn't get into their conf. championship off of a tiebreaker system with Tenn.

Then there's OU, who's basically Georgia that won their conference.

And USC with 2 sketchy losses but otherwise stellar play.

Then you can get into the really stupid logic of "Team A and Team B didn't play each other but both played Team C. A won, B, lost. Therefor A would beat B head-to-head.

The bowl tradition is and always will be stupid and wrong. Look back to before the 1980s and especially before the 1970s. You would constantly see multiple teams claiming national championships based on this poll or that poll. Saying the system has always worked is not only inaccurate, its blatantly incorrect.

Ya know, you don't see teams that win out in college basketball throwing the conference tournies or their late rival games to rest. Because they want that higher seed. That's what protects a playoff. Then you could, ya know, schedule rival week earlier. And force the Little 11 and Pac 10 to have a championship game like the rest.

The case-in-point for the system not working is that teams that go out and schedule real competition from the top parts of majors get hurt for it and teams that schedule trash out of conference get rewarded.

Real championships are decided on the field. Every other sport in creation does it that way. If you aren't going to commit to accuracy, scrap the national champions and just let everyone play in bowls. And give them little trophies (for being a good sport) like they do with 8 year olds at playground intermurals. The bowl system is the equivalent of playing sports without keeping score.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 11:56 AM

One thing is clear: If it's OSU and LSU playing for the title, they are not the best two teams in the country right now. The AP title is very much up for grabs, and I don't think either OSU or LSU will win it.

A lot of Georgia fans are saying that they'd rather go to the Rose Bowl than the NC game and play the Pac-10's bread and butter. -CSM

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 12:19 PM

NC game: OSU vs. LSU. Not the best two teams in the country, but OSU is an on-paper thing and LSU won the best conference in the country.

Rose Bowl: USC vs. Georgia. They HAVE to pick Georgia since the only other two loss teams that can compete with them are conference champions who are going to bowls of their own.

Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Hawaii.

Sugar Bowl: Missouri vs. Boston College

Orange Bowl: West Virignia vs. Virginia Tech

-CSM

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 01:37 PM

^I'm almost certain they'll land in the sugar bowl.

FWIW:
AP top ten:
OSU, LSU, OU, GA, VT, USC, Mizzou, KU, FLA, Hawaii

USATODAY coaches:

OSU, LSU, OU, GA, VT, USC, Mizzou, KU, WV, Hawaii

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 02:25 PM

How the hell do LSU and OU pass Georgia when UGA didn't play anyone? I bet Georgia could beat them both. The pollsters are saying they're better teams than UGA. That pisses me off because Georgia would destroy them both right now. They'd destroy OSU too.

Are you out of your MIND Lurch? There's no way in hell Georgia's playing in the crappy Sugar Bowl. They're the highest ranked team that's not a conference champion and there's an open spot in the Granddaddy. They're going to play USC. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 02:28 PM

Because they won their divisions and conferences....

To take some idiotic BCS logic: LSU beat Tenn, who beat GA, ergo LSU would beat GA.

Since OSU is a virtual lock in the BGatE, and they're likely going to rank out 1, the Rose Bowl gets first crack at invites.

And since the Rose Bowl is perfectly willing to go down guns blazing to keep that Big 10, Pac 10 matchup going, they're going to give it out to Illinois.

If LSU pops up at 2 and plays in the BGatE, the Sugar Bowl gets second crack at at larges. They're going to pull in the SEC team because any other top team after LSU is in a locked game.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 02:49 PM

Illinois? WHAT???? A THREE loss team in the BCS? F*CK NO.

Tell me, do you think LSU and OU are better teams than Georgia right now? -CSM

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 02:50 PM

They shot up in the rankings, if they make the BCS top 14 (very likely), they're an at-large team. They're 13 in both AP and Coaches.

FLA is out because they can't have more than 2 teams from a conference represented. Flip a coin on Mizzou/Kansas.

Just watch. It's another case-in-point why this system is bull****.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 02:54 PM

In '03, it was USC

In '04, it was Auburn

In '05, it was Oregon (not even making a BCS bowl despite being higher ranked than Notre Dame, although they didn't deserve an NC shot, this is about the BCS)

In '06, it was Michigan (who didn't deserve it anyway, but we didn't know that back then)

And now, it's Georgia.

Illinois doesn't even deserve to be an at large in a PLAYOFF system. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 12-02-2007, 07:27 PM

Kansas would get taken over Mizzou I believe.

I'll take a crack:

Sugar: Hawaii-Georgia
Orange: WVU-Va Tech
Rose: Illinois-USC
Fiesta: Arizona State-Oklahoma

MNC: The Ohio State-LSU

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:14 PM

If Illinois makes it to the Rose Bowl over Georgia, then there is no God.

And Kansas doesn't deserve to go. 0-1 against ranked teams. Georgia has the best record in the country against ranked teams.

(Illinois got in. The Rose Bowl committee is officially a bunch of schmucks). -CSM

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 08:28 PM

Hi.

It's me.

I was right.

KTHXBYE.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:32 PM

Dear Rose Bowl committee,

You are a bunch of schmucks. Go to hell.

-CSM

Lurch1982 · 12-02-2007, 08:32 PM

For being a Big 10 fan, you sure are a dumbass. The Rose Bowl is adamant on getting a Pac-10/Big 10 matchup period. They don't care if it's going to be a blowout because one doesn't belong, and they don't care if they don't provide a good game. They're the reason they still have conference ties to the BCS games.

FWIW:

Rose: Illinois/USC
Fiesta: OU/WV
Orange: KU/Va Tech
Sugar: Georgia/Hawaii
BGatE: OSU/LSU

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:38 PM

I'm not a fan of any conference except for I hate the Little 12. I just want to see the best possible matchups, and they missed one because "OMFG we hav to prezurv Ye Olde Bigge Tenne-Paque Tenne Traditionne."

F*cking bullsh*t.

The BCS is now officially the Bull Crock of Sh*t. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 12-02-2007, 08:39 PM

^ Uhh...shouldn't you be happy for Illinois? I know I am.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:40 PM

I'm not. They're a THREE LOSS TEAM. They shouldn't be in the BCS. -CSM

ShyGuy727 · 12-02-2007, 08:41 PM

It's funny, because you'd be singing a completely different song if it was Michigan in Illinois' position.

Getting rid of the Pac-10/Big Ten Rose Bowl is the same as when the DH was added to the AL. It's just...gross.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-02-2007, 08:43 PM

I wouldn't dare. I'd be happy to play an SEC team in the Citrus Bowl if I were Michigan. I want the Michigan-Florida matchup THAT BAD. -CSM

View Poll Results: Should Illinois have been in the Rose Bowl over Georgia
Yes, we have to preserve the tradition, no matter how crappy	1	16.67%
No, Georgia-USC would be a great matchup	5	83.33%
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12-02-2007, 12:19 PM	#24
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	Bowl projections. NC game: OSU vs. LSU. Not the best two teams in the country, but OSU is an on-paper thing and LSU won the best conference in the country. Rose Bowl: USC vs. Georgia. They HAVE to pick Georgia since the only other two loss teams that can compete with them are conference champions who are going to bowls of their own. Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Hawaii. Sugar Bowl: Missouri vs. Boston College Orange Bowl: West Virignia vs. Virginia Tech -CSM

12-02-2007, 02:25 PM	#26
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	How the hell do LSU and OU pass Georgia when UGA didn't play anyone? I bet Georgia could beat them both. The pollsters are saying they're better teams than UGA. That pisses me off because Georgia would destroy them both right now. They'd destroy OSU too. Are you out of your MIND Lurch? There's no way in hell Georgia's playing in the crappy Sugar Bowl. They're the highest ranked team that's not a conference champion and there's an open spot in the Granddaddy. They're going to play USC. -CSM Last edited by Crazyswordsman; 12-02-2007 at 02:31 PM.

12-02-2007, 02:28 PM	#27
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,454.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,179.14 Donate	Because they won their divisions and conferences.... To take some idiotic BCS logic: LSU beat Tenn, who beat GA, ergo LSU would beat GA. Since OSU is a virtual lock in the BGatE, and they're likely going to rank out 1, the Rose Bowl gets first crack at invites. And since the Rose Bowl is perfectly willing to go down guns blazing to keep that Big 10, Pac 10 matchup going, they're going to give it out to Illinois. If LSU pops up at 2 and plays in the BGatE, the Sugar Bowl gets second crack at at larges. They're going to pull in the SEC team because any other top team after LSU is in a locked game. Last edited by Lurch1982; 12-02-2007 at 02:36 PM.

12-02-2007, 07:27 PM	#31
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,061 Thanks: 37 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 32,221.98 Bank: 25,651.08 Total Points: 57,873.06 Donate	Kansas would get taken over Mizzou I believe. I'll take a crack: Sugar: Hawaii-Georgia Orange: WVU-Va Tech Rose: Illinois-USC Fiesta: Arizona State-Oklahoma MNC: The Ohio State-LSU Last edited by ShyGuy727; 12-02-2007 at 07:59 PM.

12-02-2007, 10:41 AM	#21
Dr. Horrible PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: More important than where is when.... Gender: Posts: 6,787 Thanks: 137 Thanked 477 Times in 309 Posts Points: 6,645.82 Bank: 5,568,857.78 Total Points: 5,575,503.60 Donate	Can you imagine Ohio State getting into the big game with that record any other year? Hawaii is my "**** it, this whole thing is stupid" choice, since I don't see Ohio State beating a top tier SEC school and that would leave them as the only team with less than two losses who didn't also fail to win their conference championship (Kansas).

12-02-2007, 11:23 AM	#22
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,454.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,179.14 Donate	Few observations: Here's what I learned in college football this year: To be in the BGatE: 1.) Coach in a major 2.) Hope to god your conference is on a down-year 3.) Don't schedule anyone Illinois is decent (glad whatshisface with the texting turned them around), but their SoS benefitted from playing massively overrated opponents (Wisc and Penn) early on. However, they still went out and played OoC opponents from majors, unlike OSU. While Hawaii may have a weak schedule, they've won every game (unlike OSU). But that's just smack designed to piss off OSU fans. But what the hell Shyuy. A rant defending the "tradition?" The system doesn't work, and it has never worked. Championships should be decided on the field, not by logarithms. Here's the idiotic logic one has to use to figure out who's in the Nat. Champ. this year: Well OSU has 1 loss, but they're somehow better than a 0-loss team and a 1-loss Kansas that didn't win their conference because they lost to Mizzou (#2 a the time) and didn't have to plaly a conference championship like everyone else in the majors (except the Pac-10). LSU should be in before Va Tech because they beat them head to head by a crapton. However, Va Tech played strong since head-to-head and LSU may not be the best team out of the SEC. GA played hard down the stretch, but didn't get into their conf. championship off of a tiebreaker system with Tenn. Then there's OU, who's basically Georgia that won their conference. And USC with 2 sketchy losses but otherwise stellar play. Then you can get into the really stupid logic of "Team A and Team B didn't play each other but both played Team C. A won, B, lost. Therefor A would beat B head-to-head. The bowl tradition is and always will be stupid and wrong. Look back to before the 1980s and especially before the 1970s. You would constantly see multiple teams claiming national championships based on this poll or that poll. Saying the system has always worked is not only inaccurate, its blatantly incorrect. Ya know, you don't see teams that win out in college basketball throwing the conference tournies or their late rival games to rest. Because they want that higher seed. That's what protects a playoff. Then you could, ya know, schedule rival week earlier. And force the Little 11 and Pac 10 to have a championship game like the rest. The case-in-point for the system not working is that teams that go out and schedule real competition from the top parts of majors get hurt for it and teams that schedule trash out of conference get rewarded. Real championships are decided on the field. Every other sport in creation does it that way. If you aren't going to commit to accuracy, scrap the national champions and just let everyone play in bowls. And give them little trophies (for being a good sport) like they do with 8 year olds at playground intermurals. The bowl system is the equivalent of playing sports without keeping score.

12-02-2007, 11:56 AM	#23
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	One thing is clear: If it's OSU and LSU playing for the title, they are not the best two teams in the country right now. The AP title is very much up for grabs, and I don't think either OSU or LSU will win it. A lot of Georgia fans are saying that they'd rather go to the Rose Bowl than the NC game and play the Pac-10's bread and butter. -CSM

12-02-2007, 01:37 PM	#25
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,454.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,179.14 Donate	^I'm almost certain they'll land in the sugar bowl. FWIW: AP top ten: OSU, LSU, OU, GA, VT, USC, Mizzou, KU, FLA, Hawaii USATODAY coaches: OSU, LSU, OU, GA, VT, USC, Mizzou, KU, WV, Hawaii

12-02-2007, 02:49 PM	#28
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	Illinois? WHAT???? A THREE loss team in the BCS? F*CK NO. Tell me, do you think LSU and OU are better teams than Georgia right now? -CSM

12-02-2007, 02:50 PM	#29
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,454.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,179.14 Donate	They shot up in the rankings, if they make the BCS top 14 (very likely), they're an at-large team. They're 13 in both AP and Coaches. FLA is out because they can't have more than 2 teams from a conference represented. Flip a coin on Mizzou/Kansas. Just watch. It's another case-in-point why this system is bull****.

12-02-2007, 02:54 PM	#30
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	In '03, it was USC In '04, it was Auburn In '05, it was Oregon (not even making a BCS bowl despite being higher ranked than Notre Dame, although they didn't deserve an NC shot, this is about the BCS) In '06, it was Michigan (who didn't deserve it anyway, but we didn't know that back then) And now, it's Georgia. Illinois doesn't even deserve to be an at large in a PLAYOFF system. -CSM

12-02-2007, 08:14 PM	#32
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	If Illinois makes it to the Rose Bowl over Georgia, then there is no God. And Kansas doesn't deserve to go. 0-1 against ranked teams. Georgia has the best record in the country against ranked teams. (Illinois got in. The Rose Bowl committee is officially a bunch of schmucks). -CSM Last edited by Crazyswordsman; 12-02-2007 at 08:28 PM.

12-02-2007, 08:28 PM	#33
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,454.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,179.14 Donate	Hi. It's me. I was right. KTHXBYE.

12-02-2007, 08:32 PM	#34
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	Dear Rose Bowl committee, You are a bunch of schmucks. Go to hell. -CSM

12-02-2007, 08:38 PM	#36
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	I'm not a fan of any conference except for I hate the Little 12. I just want to see the best possible matchups, and they missed one because "OMFG we hav to prezurv Ye Olde Bigge Tenne-Paque Tenne Traditionne." Fcking bullsht. The BCS is now officially the Bull Crock of Sh*t. -CSM

12-02-2007, 08:39 PM	#37
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,061 Thanks: 37 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 32,221.98 Bank: 25,651.08 Total Points: 57,873.06 Donate	^ Uhh...shouldn't you be happy for Illinois? I know I am.

12-02-2007, 08:40 PM	#38
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	I'm not. They're a THREE LOSS TEAM. They shouldn't be in the BCS. -CSM

12-02-2007, 08:41 PM	#39
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,061 Thanks: 37 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 32,221.98 Bank: 25,651.08 Total Points: 57,873.06 Donate	It's funny, because you'd be singing a completely different song if it was Michigan in Illinois' position. Getting rid of the Pac-10/Big Ten Rose Bowl is the same as when the DH was added to the AL. It's just...gross.

12-02-2007, 08:43 PM	#40
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,319.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,094.69 Donate	I wouldn't dare. I'd be happy to play an SEC team in the Citrus Bowl if I were Michigan. I want the Michigan-Florida matchup THAT BAD. -CSM