Mitchell Report

Lurch1982 · 12-13-2007, 01:19 PM

Due out officially this afternoon.

Let me preface the discussion by saying that I think this was a bullcrap investigation. I have to question the slant on this thing when they use someone from inside baseball to conduct it. While former Senator Mitchell had a good political career, he's an executive from the Red Sox and intends to return to the Red Sox. I haven't read it (because it isn't out), but I'm not going to be shocked if the ownership (headed by "found guilty of collusion" Bud Selig) were to use this to gain massive leverage over the MLBPA. Not that it's a bad thing. They need to get an independent agency to drug test.

That being said:

Roger Clemens *
Andy Pettitte *

ESPN - Source says information on Clemens will be in Mitchell's report - MLB

ShyGuy727 · 12-13-2007, 02:41 PM

I dunno, seems like pretty extensive work, he's not just accusing players of usage with no evidence, he has it all in the report.

And thank the heavens that CTRL-F: Griffey= phrase not found.

Here's the report: http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

Here's the named players:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estelella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Chris Donnels
Juan Gonzalez
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui (via a cancelled check from Segui to Kirk Radomski)
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ryan Franklin
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Paul Lo Dusca
Todd Pratt
Miguel Tejada
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Paul Byrd
Troy Glaus
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendon Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Ricky Bones
Manny Alexander
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

**Dr. Horrible** · 12-13-2007, 02:45 PM

Not bad. I was worried Bagwell would show up on there.

Actually, looking at the list, it doesn't look like anybody that is likely to be anyone's "hero" is on it.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-13-2007, 02:48 PM

And we got rid of Lo Duca. We don't want him if he took 'Roids. -CSM

***ZeldaGirl*** · 12-13-2007, 05:41 PM

^Man, I hate Lo Duca anyway.

Lurch1982 · 12-13-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pear Trii

Not bad. I was worried Bagwell would show up on there.

Actually, looking at the list, it doesn't look like anybody that is likely to be anyone's "hero" is on it.

Probably because they're using a very limited amount of sources and they're limiting it to very few clubhouses.

**Perrin Aybara** · 12-13-2007, 08:03 PM

Heh, I'm glad the O's traded Tejada yesterday when they had the chance.

Sorry to see Brian Roberts' name on there though (although not too shocking, since his name has been linked to steriods in the past), since overall Roberts good person both on and off the field.-jay

**Dylan** · 12-13-2007, 08:16 PM

I'm really sorry that Ankiel is on there, since he was formally exonerated by the league.

Quote:

On September 6, 2007, the New York Daily News reported that Ankiel had purchased 12 months' worth of human growth hormone from a Florida pharmacy from January through December 2004. The drugs, which were delivered to Ankiel in eight shipments from Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, Florida, were obtained through a prescription issued by Florida physician William Gogan, who was working at the Palm Beach Gardens-based clinic The Health and Rejuvenation Center, 8 miles from Ankiel's Jupiter, Florida home. The shipments came to light as a result of an investigation by Albany County, New York District Attorney David Soares.

Ankiel eventually admitted to using HGH, but said he was following doctor's orders. HGH was not banned by Major League Baseball until 2005. The prescription itself could have had medical benefit to stimulate synthesis of collagen, which would have aided recovery from his Tommy John elbow surgery.

Major League Baseball concluded that there was insufficient evidence of any wrongdoing by Ankiel. He was exonerated on December 6, 2007, and the investigation was closed.

-Dylan

ShyGuy727 · 12-14-2007, 11:40 AM

David Justice claims innocence (he doesn't "do needles"), and that he's never even met one of the people linked to him in the report:

Click to view video.

**Crazyswordsman** · 12-14-2007, 12:24 PM

Here is a list of Mets associated with the scandal:

Lenny Dykstra 197
David Segui 198
Josias Manzanillo 209
Todd Hundley 211
Mark Carreon 211
Matt Franco 213
Mo Vaughn 234
Chris Donnels 238
Todd Pratt 243
Mike Stanton 253
Paul Lo Duca 256
Fernando Vina 261
Mike Bell 267
Gary Bennett Jr. 270
Scot Schoeneweis 302

I don't like Schoenweiss anyway, and Lo Duca is gone. The rest of them either aren't with the Mets anymore or aren't very visible. -CSM

Tritoch · 12-26-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurch1982

Probably because they're using a very limited amount of sources and they're limiting it to very few clubhouses.

That's the thing to keep in mind about this report...we only "know" (assuming the report is right about most of these players) about a small percentage of the overall users in baseball. That's the scary part.

I breathed a sigh of relief that Ripken wasn't on the report. I may've had to kill myself.

Bronco · 01-02-2008, 04:30 PM

I appreciate that someone is finally going to stand up for the baseball players that DON'T use steroids and get good by good ol' fashioned practice and hard work. I haven't really read much into the Mitchell Report, but it just saddens me that you can't associate the word "baseball" without thinking "steroids."

12-13-2007, 01:19 PM	#1
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Katrinaland, USA Gender: Posts: 9,278 Thanks: 122 Thanked 253 Times in 140 Posts Points: 36,458.03 Bank: 338,725.11 Total Points: 375,183.14 Donate	Mitchell Report Due out officially this afternoon. Let me preface the discussion by saying that I think this was a bullcrap investigation. I have to question the slant on this thing when they use someone from inside baseball to conduct it. While former Senator Mitchell had a good political career, he's an executive from the Red Sox and intends to return to the Red Sox. I haven't read it (because it isn't out), but I'm not going to be shocked if the ownership (headed by "found guilty of collusion" Bud Selig) were to use this to gain massive leverage over the MLBPA. Not that it's a bad thing. They need to get an independent agency to drug test. That being said: Roger Clemens * Andy Pettitte * ESPN - Source says information on Clemens will be in Mitchell's report - MLB

12-13-2007, 02:41 PM	#2
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,061 Thanks: 37 Thanked 62 Times in 46 Posts Points: 32,223.98 Bank: 25,651.08 Total Points: 57,875.06 Donate	I dunno, seems like pretty extensive work, he's not just accusing players of usage with no evidence, he has it all in the report. And thank the heavens that CTRL-F: Griffey= phrase not found. Here's the report: http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf Here's the named players: Marvin Benard Barry Bonds Bobby Estelella Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Benito Santiago Gary Sheffield Randy Velarde Chris Donnels Juan Gonzalez Lenny Dykstra David Segui (via a cancelled check from Segui to Kirk Radomski) Larry Bigbie Brian Roberts Jack Cust Tim Laker Josias Manzanillo Todd Hundley Mark Carreon Hal Morris Matt Franco Rondell White Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Chuck Knoblauch Jason Grimsley Greg Zaun David Justice F.P. Santangelo Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ryan Franklin Todd Williams Phil Hiatt Paul Lo Dusca Todd Pratt Miguel Tejada Kevin Young Mike Lansing Cody McKay Kent Mercker Adam Piatt Paul Byrd Troy Glaus Jason Christiansen Mike Stanton Stephen Randolph Jerry Hairston Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Fernando Vina Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Mike Bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett, Jr. Jim Parque Brendon Donnelly Chad Allen Jeff Williams Howie Clark Exavier Logan Daniel Naulty Rick Ankiel David Bell Jose Canseco Jay Gibbons Jason Grimsley Jose Guillen Jerry Hairston Darren Holmes Gary Matthews Jr. John Rocker Scott Schoeneweis Ismael Valdez Ricky Bones Manny Alexander Matt Williams Steve Woodard Last edited by ShyGuy727; 12-13-2007 at 06:22 PM.

12-13-2007, 02:45 PM	#3
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12-14-2007, 12:24 PM	#10
Crazyswordsman RPG Mod Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 8,584 Thanks: 633 Thanked 471 Times in 311 Posts Points: 167,332.15 Bank: 77,775.54 Total Points: 245,107.69 Donate	Here is a list of Mets associated with the scandal: Lenny Dykstra 197 David Segui 198 Josias Manzanillo 209 Todd Hundley 211 Mark Carreon 211 Matt Franco 213 Mo Vaughn 234 Chris Donnels 238 Todd Pratt 243 Mike Stanton 253 Paul Lo Duca 256 Fernando Vina 261 Mike Bell 267 Gary Bennett Jr. 270 Scot Schoeneweis 302 I don't like Schoenweiss anyway, and Lo Duca is gone. The rest of them either aren't with the Mets anymore or aren't very visible. -CSM

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Bronco Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: USA Posts: 1,251 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,172.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,672.00 Donate	I appreciate that someone is finally going to stand up for the baseball players that DON'T use steroids and get good by good ol' fashioned practice and hard work. I haven't really read much into the Mitchell Report, but it just saddens me that you can't associate the word "baseball" without thinking "steroids."