Pedro Martinez, NYM Starting Moron, videotaped participating in cockfight

Lurch1982 · 02-07-2008, 12:28 PM

ESPN - Video posted of Pedro, Juan Marichal at cockfight - MLB

What a dumbass.

ShyGuy727 · 02-07-2008, 01:21 PM

He didn't do anything illegal. What's the big deal.

Lurch1982 · 02-07-2008, 02:34 PM

Outside of cockfighting being reprehensible regardless of legality, it's pretty damn stupid to do just for the media attention that will inevitably surround it. While it may not be illegal in the DR (it should be), it's illegal in 49/50 states with the last one slowly closing the door on it. There are enough people in this country that think cockfighting is a bad thing to outlaw it practically across the board.

If people are going to slam Vick for killing dogs, people should slam Pedro for killing cocks.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-07-2008, 05:13 PM

Yeah, well he didn't do it in America. America doesn't own the DR.

I think Pedro (and Delgado, who sucks anyway), should be fined by the league and the Mets should suspend them for a month. I think that's a fair punishment.

Although Delgado won the Roberto Clemente award for humanitarian work, so I don't see why he should have to suffer because of this if he's a damn good humanitarian, which is something no one gives him credit for.

We've went a year without Pedro and didn't choke until we had him back; we can do it again. -CSM

**Deku Trii** · 02-07-2008, 05:42 PM

What, choke?

Eagle Eye · 02-07-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch1982

If people are going to slam Vick for killing dogs, people should slam Pedro for killing cocks.

Yes.

But America doesn't really care about their birds like they do their dogs, so I don't see much heat coming from this, not on the Vick scale.

ShyGuy727 · 02-07-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

I think Pedro (and Delgado, who sucks anyway), should be fined by the league and the Mets should suspend them for a month. I think that's a fair punishment.

Punishment for what?! Abiding the laws of the country he was visiting (his home country)?

It's part of the DR's culture and he shouldn't have to forego his home country's culture just because he works in the US. Would you freak out if Ricky Williams was seen smoking a J in Amsterdam?

Vick was running the whole damn operation, there's a little bit of a difference.

I'm sure what KFC does to its chicken's is 100x more immoral than cockifighting.

Lurch1982 · 02-07-2008, 11:39 PM

Buzkashi is part of the Afghan culture. I don't have to respect it and if an Afghan athlete went home and partook in it I'd expect him to get nuked in public opinion. If Pao Gasol went home to Spain and jumped in the bullfighting ring, I'd be just as pissed off.

It's a stupid move for any player in a Western sports league to do. That **** doesn't fly here, regardless if its legal in the third world.

I don't eat KFC.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-07-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy727

I'm sure what KFC does to its chicken's is 100x more immoral than cockifighting.

A lot of things are more immoral than cockfighting. -CSM

Eagle Eye · 02-08-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

A lot of things are more immoral than cockfighting. -CSM

Which brings me to my point:

Since Roosters/Chicken aren't as loved in America as dogs are, someone's going to take less **** from that than from dogfighting.

And just because KFC does it doesn't mean it's right ShyGuy, nice try though.

Brandon2390 · 02-08-2008, 01:30 PM

Both are stupid. People care way too much about animals. Was what both did cruel? Yes, but neither should be locked up for it. I see no difference from killing animals for sport and hanging their heads up on your wall, and killing for fun. It's the same thing.

ZeldaGirl · 02-08-2008, 03:36 PM

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I see no difference from killing animals for sport and hanging their heads up on your wall, and killing for fun. It's the same thing.

However, because that is currently a standard, does that make it right?

Eagle Eye · 02-08-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeldaGirl

However, because that is currently a standard, does that make it right?

No, it's ALL wrong.

His point is, if you're going to give one group of people hell for doing what's essentially the same thing that Group B is doing, you need to go ahead and bitch out group b.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-08-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Put On Your Dancing Shoes

Since Roosters/Chicken aren't as loved in America as dogs are, someone's going to take less **** from that than from dogfighting.

And they are loved even less in the DR. -CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-08-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon2390

Both are stupid. People care way too much about animals. Was what both did cruel? Yes, but neither should be locked up for it. I see no difference from killing animals for sport and hanging their heads up on your wall, and killing for fun. It's the same thing.

To be fair, I don't like trophey hunting at all.

ShyGuy727 · 02-08-2008, 05:24 PM

And I don't like prostitution but if someone wants to go to Vegas and buy one, by all means go ahead and have a ball.

Lurch1982 · 02-09-2008, 01:37 AM

Strip clubs are legal in almost every area in the country, but we rip athletes when they go there. Athletes are in the public eye and are often held to higher standards, like it or not and appropriate or not. Charles Barkley and John Daley can legally go out and blow thousands gambling. Doesn't mean they get a free pass for it. Travis Henry and Shawn Kemp can father as many children as they want, but they're still going to get grief for it.

Athletes aren't going to get away with doing stupid things. Just ask Evan Fields (Evander Holyfield), Roidney Harrison, Pacman Jones, Stephen Jackson, Mike Vick, Pedro Martinez, any athlete that trashed himself on a motorcycle, any athlete getting into trouble after midnight in a strip club, Eugene Robinson getting pinged for getting a hooker after getting an award for his "high moral character" before Super Bowl XXXIII, the Vikings party boat, the Portland Jailblazers squad, Koren Robinson, Doc Gooden, any athlete with a drug problem, or really any athlete that simply does something questionable. If you do something stupid and get caught, you deserve to have mountains of **** dumped on you.

Plenty of cultures have stupid and barbaric traditions, and I don't have to respect them. Contests where the point is to either maul an animal or have two or more animals maul each other are dumb and reprehensible.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-09-2008, 09:59 AM

^Pacman Jones did things in the strip club that were illegal, so in his case it does matter.

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Contests where the point is to either maul an animal or have two or more animals maul each other are dumb and reprehensible.

I think you mean...barbaric?

Click to view video.

-CSM

Lurch1982 · 02-09-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazyswordsman

^Pacman Jones did things in the strip club that were illegal, so in his case it does matter.
-CSM

Yet one of the first things that is thrown out about Pacman Jones is that he spends too much time in the strip clubs.

**Crazyswordsman** · 02-09-2008, 11:00 AM

^Yeah, well that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's an ambiguous thing at worst. -CSM

02-07-2008, 12:28 PM	#1
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Pedro Martinez, NYM Starting Moron, videotaped participating in cockfight ESPN - Video posted of Pedro, Juan Marichal at cockfight - MLB What a dumbass.

02-07-2008, 01:21 PM	#2
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,135 Thanks: 44 Thanked 77 Times in 54 Posts	He didn't do anything illegal. What's the big deal.

02-07-2008, 02:34 PM	#3
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Outside of cockfighting being reprehensible regardless of legality, it's pretty damn stupid to do just for the media attention that will inevitably surround it. While it may not be illegal in the DR (it should be), it's illegal in 49/50 states with the last one slowly closing the door on it. There are enough people in this country that think cockfighting is a bad thing to outlaw it practically across the board. If people are going to slam Vick for killing dogs, people should slam Pedro for killing cocks.

02-07-2008, 05:13 PM	#4
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	Yeah, well he didn't do it in America. America doesn't own the DR. I think Pedro (and Delgado, who sucks anyway), should be fined by the league and the Mets should suspend them for a month. I think that's a fair punishment. Although Delgado won the Roberto Clemente award for humanitarian work, so I don't see why he should have to suffer because of this if he's a damn good humanitarian, which is something no one gives him credit for. We've went a year without Pedro and didn't choke until we had him back; we can do it again. -CSM

02-07-2008, 05:42 PM	#5
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	What, choke?

02-07-2008, 11:39 PM	#8
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Buzkashi is part of the Afghan culture. I don't have to respect it and if an Afghan athlete went home and partook in it I'd expect him to get nuked in public opinion. If Pao Gasol went home to Spain and jumped in the bullfighting ring, I'd be just as pissed off. It's a stupid move for any player in a Western sports league to do. That **** doesn't fly here, regardless if its legal in the third world. I don't eat KFC.

02-08-2008, 01:30 PM	#11
Brandon2390 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Connecticut Posts: 10,519 Thanks: 7 Thanked 30 Times in 22 Posts	Both are stupid. People care way too much about animals. Was what both did cruel? Yes, but neither should be locked up for it. I see no difference from killing animals for sport and hanging their heads up on your wall, and killing for fun. It's the same thing.

02-08-2008, 05:24 PM	#16
ShyGuy727 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: O-H! I-O! Gender: Posts: 10,135 Thanks: 44 Thanked 77 Times in 54 Posts	And I don't like prostitution but if someone wants to go to Vegas and buy one, by all means go ahead and have a ball.

02-09-2008, 01:37 AM	#17
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Strip clubs are legal in almost every area in the country, but we rip athletes when they go there. Athletes are in the public eye and are often held to higher standards, like it or not and appropriate or not. Charles Barkley and John Daley can legally go out and blow thousands gambling. Doesn't mean they get a free pass for it. Travis Henry and Shawn Kemp can father as many children as they want, but they're still going to get grief for it. Athletes aren't going to get away with doing stupid things. Just ask Evan Fields (Evander Holyfield), Roidney Harrison, Pacman Jones, Stephen Jackson, Mike Vick, Pedro Martinez, any athlete that trashed himself on a motorcycle, any athlete getting into trouble after midnight in a strip club, Eugene Robinson getting pinged for getting a hooker after getting an award for his "high moral character" before Super Bowl XXXIII, the Vikings party boat, the Portland Jailblazers squad, Koren Robinson, Doc Gooden, any athlete with a drug problem, or really any athlete that simply does something questionable. If you do something stupid and get caught, you deserve to have mountains of **** dumped on you. Plenty of cultures have stupid and barbaric traditions, and I don't have to respect them. Contests where the point is to either maul an animal or have two or more animals maul each other are dumb and reprehensible.

02-09-2008, 11:00 AM	#20
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	^Yeah, well that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's an ambiguous thing at worst. -CSM