DarkZero's Sprites II - Page 5

Dizzy · 06-15-2009, 08:52 PM

"Imput?"

Once I finish this, I'm going to redo my MythBusters sheet.

Dizzy · 06-16-2009, 08:18 AM

And, as promised:

Redshirt · 06-16-2009, 10:01 AM

Good job, I'm so used to my sprites that they look like midgits. Needs more poses other than walking.

Dizzy · 06-29-2009, 06:43 PM

This is the reason I haven't been posting a lot of sprites lately. It's still very incomplete, though.

Redshirt · 06-29-2009, 07:56 PM

Haven't I seen those somewhere on MGFF?

Dizzy · 06-29-2009, 08:14 PM

No.

But all tilesets look the same, anyway.

Jailbreaker · 07-13-2009, 12:14 PM

Are those from a real game or custom?

Gabriel · 07-13-2009, 09:52 PM

Custom. At least, I've never seen these in an official game.

Dizzy · 07-14-2009, 02:39 PM

^This.

Dizzy · 08-01-2009, 05:28 PM

I duplicated the "Don't Hassle The Hoff" sprites from Nintendo Power and even included Liquid Hoff from issue 242.

Gabriel · 08-02-2009, 03:03 AM

Cool. Also,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mushman

Haven't I seen those somewhere on MGFF?

What? What's MGFF? Mario Gamer Fans Forever? Most Guys Floss Furiously?? Mahugann Gachuck Flamnek Fobackran???

Jailbreaker · 08-02-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkZero

The pipes, near the bottom, have a curve to the shading that makes them look rounder in the wrong direction.

Dizzy · 08-02-2009, 12:44 PM

^^Mario Fan Games Galaxy.

Gabriel · 08-02-2009, 04:48 PM

^Oh, I know what MFGG is. I was exploiting the fact that he misspelled it as MGFF. Just a joke, is all.

Also, I think I see what Sarge is saying about the pipes. I think you should kinda give the shading at the bottom a reversal, so it looks a little darker towards the middle, and brighter on the edges. Or something, I don't know, I'm not a spriter.

Redshirt · 08-02-2009, 05:05 PM

Who missplelled anything?

Thats Mario Galaxy Fan Forums.

Mikhail Gorbachev · 08-02-2009, 07:56 PM

Better yet, you could get rid of the darkened corners altogether. Right now, they're shaded so that they look sorta like horizontal cylinders, so that luminosity is a function of vertical position.
Perhaps you could look at the way Nintendo shades their pipes. The pipes are given a sense of depth by shading the region closer to the player (which is the middle, because it's a cylinder) lighter, and the sides, which are farther away, darker. They do this with vertical bars, which is basically how to shade these things.
I made an example for you:

I made this in like a minute, (I didn't use anything for a reference either) so I've done many things wrong, but it was just made to demonstrate shading pipes and should give you a good idea of how to do so.

I can tell these are heavily referenced from Nintendo's sprites, (or just edits? some seem to be shaped the exact same way, or very similarly, to Nintendo's sprites) but your sprites/tiles lack the contrast between shades Nintendo's sprites have, which make Nintendo's sprites/tiles look much better.

For example, look at the yellow blocks in the top left corner. Squinting at them, I can discern two yellow shades. After pasting it into MSPaint and zooming in, I realize there are three. Were I playing a game with these, I probably wouldn't notice more than one, because the shades are so close together (in terms of darkness.) In pixel art, you want to have as few shades as necessary, and get rid of any shades that can't be immediately told apart from another one. That way, it looks sharper, cleaner, and overall better.

Despite the use of three shades, the blocks seem flat, but even if I only had two shades I could make a block with more depth than this one by making the darker one instead a dark brown, darker than the darkest yellow shade on yours.

Don't be afraid to use more contrast - more contrast causes more depth. It's harder to use too much contrast than it is to use too little, and if you use too much, you'll still have depth. (though, that pipe I posted has too much.) [EDIT: sorta-fixed it]
When I realized the importance of this, I very quickly became sorta-decent at pixel art.
(also, try adding highlight shade on those blocks)

Jailbreaker · 08-02-2009, 07:59 PM

Dizzy · 08-02-2009, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkZero

It's still very incomplete, though.

Mikhail Gorbachev · 08-03-2009, 12:05 AM

That's a silly response.
When I read 'incomplete,' I reasonably interpreted it as 'I'm going to add more things,' (as is the obvious interpretation), not 'I'm working on improving existing things.' Secondly, if you had everything I said in mind, and you already knew to use more contrast / shade a vertical cylinder with vertical bars, you would have shaded them that way in the first place.

I won't give further advice, since you don't seem to want any, but I hope you use some of the techniques I suggested. At an early level of learning pixel art, learning to get the right contrast between shades is one of the most important things to learn.

Dizzy · 08-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

I won't give further advice, since you don't seem to want any, but I hope you use some of the techniques I suggested. At an early level of learning pixel art, learning to get the right contrast between shades is one of the most important things to learn.

1. I never said I didn't want your advice. The main reason I post my work is so people can tell me how to improve.
2. I was actually attempting something of a pastel, YI sort of style, but the big things like pipes often suffered from bad shading.

08-02-2009, 07:56 PM	#96
Mikhail Gorbachev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Gender: Posts: 9,659 Thanks: 31 Thanked 89 Times in 71 Posts	Better yet, you could get rid of the darkened corners altogether. Right now, they're shaded so that they look sorta like horizontal cylinders, so that luminosity is a function of vertical position. Perhaps you could look at the way Nintendo shades their pipes. The pipes are given a sense of depth by shading the region closer to the player (which is the middle, because it's a cylinder) lighter, and the sides, which are farther away, darker. They do this with vertical bars, which is basically how to shade these things. I made an example for you: I made this in like a minute, (I didn't use anything for a reference either) so I've done many things wrong, but it was just made to demonstrate shading pipes and should give you a good idea of how to do so. I can tell these are heavily referenced from Nintendo's sprites, (or just edits? some seem to be shaped the exact same way, or very similarly, to Nintendo's sprites) but your sprites/tiles lack the contrast between shades Nintendo's sprites have, which make Nintendo's sprites/tiles look much better. For example, look at the yellow blocks in the top left corner. Squinting at them, I can discern two yellow shades. After pasting it into MSPaint and zooming in, I realize there are three. Were I playing a game with these, I probably wouldn't notice more than one, because the shades are so close together (in terms of darkness.) In pixel art, you want to have as few shades as necessary, and get rid of any shades that can't be immediately told apart from another one. That way, it looks sharper, cleaner, and overall better. Despite the use of three shades, the blocks seem flat, but even if I only had two shades I could make a block with more depth than this one by making the darker one instead a dark brown, darker than the darkest yellow shade on yours. Don't be afraid to use more contrast - more contrast causes more depth. It's harder to use too much contrast than it is to use too little, and if you use too much, you'll still have depth. (though, that pipe I posted has too much.) [EDIT: sorta-fixed it] When I realized the importance of this, I very quickly became sorta-decent at pixel art. (also, try adding highlight shade on those blocks) Last edited by Mikhail Gorbachev; 08-02-2009 at 08:04 PM.

08-03-2009, 12:05 AM	#99
Mikhail Gorbachev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Gender: Posts: 9,659 Thanks: 31 Thanked 89 Times in 71 Posts	That's a silly response. When I read 'incomplete,' I reasonably interpreted it as 'I'm going to add more things,' (as is the obvious interpretation), not 'I'm working on improving existing things.' Secondly, if you had everything I said in mind, and you already knew to use more contrast / shade a vertical cylinder with vertical bars, you would have shaded them that way in the first place. I won't give further advice, since you don't seem to want any, but I hope you use some of the techniques I suggested. At an early level of learning pixel art, learning to get the right contrast between shades is one of the most important things to learn. Last edited by Mikhail Gorbachev; 08-03-2009 at 12:23 AM.

06-15-2009, 08:52 PM	#81
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	"Imput?" Once I finish this, I'm going to redo my MythBusters sheet.

06-16-2009, 08:18 AM	#82
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	And, as promised:

06-16-2009, 10:01 AM	#83
Redshirt Wiggidy Wack Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: A place with things Gender: Posts: 16,607 Thanks: 683 Thanked 998 Times in 690 Posts Blog Entries: 50	Good job, I'm so used to my sprites that they look like midgits. Needs more poses other than walking.

06-29-2009, 06:43 PM	#84
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	This is the reason I haven't been posting a lot of sprites lately. It's still very incomplete, though.

06-29-2009, 07:56 PM	#85
Redshirt Wiggidy Wack Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: A place with things Gender: Posts: 16,607 Thanks: 683 Thanked 998 Times in 690 Posts Blog Entries: 50	Haven't I seen those somewhere on MGFF?

06-29-2009, 08:14 PM	#86
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	No. But all tilesets look the same, anyway.

07-13-2009, 12:14 PM	#87
Jailbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts	Are those from a real game or custom?

07-13-2009, 09:52 PM	#88
Gabriel Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pesterchum~ Gender: Posts: 2,316 Thanks: 111 Thanked 102 Times in 79 Posts	Custom. At least, I've never seen these in an official game.

07-14-2009, 02:39 PM	#89
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	^This.

08-01-2009, 05:28 PM	#90
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	I duplicated the "Don't Hassle The Hoff" sprites from Nintendo Power and even included Liquid Hoff from issue 242.

08-02-2009, 12:44 PM	#93
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	^^Mario Fan Games Galaxy.

08-02-2009, 04:48 PM	#94
Gabriel Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pesterchum~ Gender: Posts: 2,316 Thanks: 111 Thanked 102 Times in 79 Posts	^Oh, I know what MFGG is. I was exploiting the fact that he misspelled it as MGFF. Just a joke, is all. Also, I think I see what Sarge is saying about the pipes. I think you should kinda give the shading at the bottom a reversal, so it looks a little darker towards the middle, and brighter on the edges. Or something, I don't know, I'm not a spriter.

08-02-2009, 05:05 PM	#95
Redshirt Wiggidy Wack Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: A place with things Gender: Posts: 16,607 Thanks: 683 Thanked 998 Times in 690 Posts Blog Entries: 50	Who missplelled anything? Thats Mario Galaxy Fan Forums.

08-02-2009, 07:59 PM	#97
Jailbreaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Not in jail anymore, yay! Gender: Posts: 3,482 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 185 Times in 118 Posts