Revive BOTVGH!!!

[The Flattest Pancake]

Now SMBHQ? Man, what's happening?

[Metal Man]

Well, it has been a while in going.

Basically, SMBHQ once competed with the likes of TMK for being #1.

Then Jay had to go to school, and Kyle got a job with Joystiq.

Once upon a time, me and Sean were both there to do stuff.

Then Sean overrode the things I did and acted like a freaking idiot.

Ads infested the site and I lead the charge as the 'special sections' fled one after the other.

Now, through a fit of irony, it's me, the news guy, and Sean who are all that is left.

I just update NC and SSS, though. Sean threw me off the mailbag for displeasing him once.

And removed me from the staff list for a separate occasion.

But it's all cool with me, because it's not like anyone cares what he thinks.

[The Flattest Pancake]

It's true. Sean can be a bit hot headed.(TERRIBLE PUN AHAEAD!) Heh heh!

[Perrin Aybara]

Jesus, MM, let it go.

-jay

[Metal Man]

I would, if I could simply have some closure about the issue. It has been laying out, open-ended; I have tried every tach I know to try to solve it. But every time something goes wrong. I left Sean alone--he just did things against me anyway. I attacked Sean, quite viciously--I got some results, then he vanished. In and out, back and forth, this has been going on for over 4 years.

It all came down to the same thing--you or Kyle making a definite decision of some kind about it.

But the decision never came, and so, like an unending loop condition, here we are, 4 years in the future, as I struggle to figure out some way to make the madness end.

The problem has always been the love-hate relationship--originally I just loved all of SMBHQ, but from the day I say Sean appear my love began to be tempered with hatred of his work and what he did. Then the ads came, and I hated them. But SSS and SSQ were great, so I loved them. But Sean changed the front page around and the ads some more and I hated that so much I took my site and left.

But then there were more good SSS things, and more good NC things, and I loved those; but then Sean took me off the mailbag and staff page for no reason and I hated that.

So I really don't know what to do--for it's about exactly 50-50 now. You see me updating NC while turning around and spitting bile at the main site; I also help SSS but.. .again, turn around and savagely attack the main site.

Perhaps some reasonable guidance beyond your tired and useless 'Do weird stuff to the main site! Maybe then Sean will leave you alone!'

But that is enough of this topic. If you don't have one, don't bother replying, I'm sick of talking about it. I might not give it up, but I sure can grow tired of replaying it, which should serve as 'good enough' for your tastes.

[The Flattest Pancake]

Good idea. The fighting has got to stop. Metal Man, do you mind closing it? I don't know how.

[Metal Man]

Nah, we can count on Sean to robotically close it if a supermod doesn't first, although I would like to have it open long enough for Jay to give his two cents, if he has any. Or he can just PM me. Whatev.

Especially since I don't have mod powers.

[The Flattest Pancake]

Only mods can close it? Dang.

[Panfan]

Originally Posted by Metal Man

Of course, it's reaching an increasingly exclusive set of people who do that.

smbhq.com - Traffic Details from Alexa

The stats show that SMBHQ is becoming less and less... well, popular.

that's kinda depressing. Back when I joined I visited SMBHQ every day. I honestly haven't visited it in about a year.

[Rainbow Dash]

jay come back

[Sean P Kelly]

MetalMan, I find it amazing that you are able to take any topic posted in this forum and find a way to poke a jab at me.

In your eyes, I am single-handedly to blame for SMBHQ's so-called downfall. I am not going to try to reason with you anymore, because your are arrogant kid that believes you are the grand saviour of SMBHQ (yes I called you a KID).

I've only had the webmaster position for 5 years. I want to say right now, that I was very reluctant to take it when Kyle and Jay offered it to me. I was happen as a regular staff member that offered some advise to Jay. I can say that I tried my best with the role, even though it got harder as I got older.

In 2004, I was a 22 year old unemployed computer programming graduate. Now, I'm a 27 year old Film Student one year away from graduating. I admit I outgrew SMBHQ. These days, I spend more effort trying to post to my film blog everyday than trying to think of some obscure item to update SMBHQ with.

However, it is too much to say that I killed SMBHQ. I had my own Nintendo fansite once. It was called the "Canadian Nintendo and Computer Page" or CN&CP. It had weird badly drawn mascots Blob and Boxy and the site was just for fun. That site was eventually discontinued, it was truly dead. You will no longer find any record of it on the web.

SMBHQ is still online and there are current dates on the front page. That is enough for me to define the site as alive. It is probably the most successful web endeavor I have participated in and I am glad to have been given that chance.

MetalMan, I don't like you and I have grown to almost hate you. There are times when I think that our differences are put aside, only for you to suddenly throw another jab in my direction.

You can make a rebuttal and throw my words back into my face to your hearts content. You can be guaranteed that I will never read them. In fact this is my absolutely final post for VGF forums. You can turn this into an "I Hate Sean" fest for all I care.

I'm just too old for this ****.

[Metal Man]

Well, that settles that. Show's over.

[The Flattest Pancake]

Sean? Geez, now even HE'S posting. Thank god it's on my topic. And, i've heard of the,"Canadian Nintendo and Computer Page."

[Rainbow Dash]

blarble gurgle

[Perrin Aybara]

MM, you're a good guy, and I believe that your intentions are pure, but really, I just don't understand your logic sometimes and I think you go about things the wrong way.

First, for the record, SMBHQ isn't my site. It's Kyle's site ultimately. I webmastered it for a time, but that was it. I don't make a cent off of it anymore. NC I still consider my own site. But for SMBHQ I consider myself an adviser only at this time. So no final decision is ever mine to give. I only offer advice for what I believe is best for SMBHQ (which ultimately I believe is to have someone to simply update the damn site consistently).

Second, there are a few accusations and attacks on myself that I feel are quite unwarranted.

"Perhaps some reasonable guidance beyond your tired and useless 'Do weird stuff to the main site! Maybe then Sean will leave you alone!'" I don't remember saying anything specifically like that. I believe I said something more like, "If you want to update the site, DO IT, and we'll deal with how Sean reacts later." Nothing about "weird stuff." I'm talking about good, solid updates. At the time, you kept claiming that you had all of these great ideas for the site, and you wanted to update it constantly with new stuff. My advice has always been "well, do it." I said that the important thing is to have SMBHQ updated. If you and Sean had conflicts along the way, I told you to tell me and I can try to act as a mediator. Because I think we could have found common ground in terms of having you both update the site in peace. But I never heard from you. You never talked to me. So I assumed that you didn't want my help and didn't care anymore.

"In and out, back and forth, this has been going on for over 4 years." Really? I thought this was over two years ago, when you said you wanted nothing to do with updating SMBHQ anymore. I thought that was pretty clear and final to me. From what I remember the last time you talked to me about this, you didn't want to have anything to do with Sean, and as a result you would not update SMBHQ. Pretty clear. Seems like a conclusion to me.

Now, if you are having second thoughts and WOULD like to update SMBHQ, then you TALK TO ME (and Kyle, and Sean) about it in a CIVILIZED MANNER.

Taking your pot shots at how SMBHQ is going downhill CONSTANTLY (even if it's true) and CONSTANTLY bashing Sean for no real reason IS NOT PRODUCTIVE.

That is why I said to let it go. I don't want to hear you bashing Sean constantly. It gets old.

If you want to help SMBHQ, then talk to us and help SMBHQ. Be constructive. What you're doing now isn't constructive, it's simply getting annoying.

I just don't understand what the problem is. You can not simultaneously say things like "SMBHQ sucks now, Sean sucks" as well as "I want nothing to do with helping fix SMBHQ."

Either you help SMBHQ or you don't. But I hope you realize that your constant attacks on Sean do not help ANYONE.

And please, don't bring me into this like it's my fault. I told you countless times before, I am glad to listen to people if they want to talk. But I have heard nothing from you that would make me think that you would like to constructively help SMBHQ. All you do is attack Sean. Let it go.

-jay

[Metal Man]

First and foremost, the only reason I did what I did was to get a response from you. Which I did; so I succeeded. My methods may have been questionable, but now I know what I need to know about the situation.

Of Sean, he has already conceded the argument with me, so there is no more bashing to be done. It was all a counter-attack for various actions of his which I consider unreasonable; since I could not get them handled officially I had to go vigilante to bring my point across. I did, so now I need no longer continue that, since Sean himself made it clear I'd be attacking nobody, since he won't be reading this any more.

With that done, would I update SMBHQ? It is a possibility, but I will not work with Sean Kelly... on a boat, in a train, while on fire, or under the sea, or anywhere else for that matter.

So then, I shall simply resort to the method you originally spoke of; when it comes to helping SMBHQ at least. I just needed to get the Sean Kelly mayhem out of my way. But now it is done.

[Robotazy]

Metal Man is a troll.

[Metal Man]

When I need to be one, yeah.

[Rainbow Dash]

barf

[Perrin Aybara]

Just FYI, after what I have witnessed of your behavior, it will take some convincing on your part before I am willing to go out of my way and spend time to help you in the future.-jay