Are King Koopa and Bowser then same person?

06-24-2002, 06:29 PM

Sure they look alike, but I'm not sure they are the same person . . . I mean the original Donkey Kong isn't classified as the same Donkey Kong from the more recent game (N64 for instance). Are they the same evil, or are they in fact two different beasts???

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Bowser . . . King Koopa

[ June 24, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Red Queen, Maharani of the Houous ]

Eric68 · 06-24-2002, 06:44 PM

Yes they are the same person. King Koopas full name is Koopa Bowser.

imported_Cravdraa · 06-24-2002, 06:46 PM

Actually, it's King Bowser Koopa, but same thing.

06-24-2002, 06:53 PM

But . . . that doesn't mean they are the same person. The first one was simply King Koopa, the other one was King Boswer Koopa . . . they could be different people. Maybe King Koopa was Bowser's father, Like Donkey Kong (now Cranky Kong) and the present Donkey Kong.

imported_Cravdraa · 06-24-2002, 07:20 PM

One only needs to look at the SMB 3 manual to know that they are the same. In Japan they've always called him Koopa. It's just like Peach, for years she was called Princes Toadstool. Then we found out her first name, but you don't see people saying she's a different character.

edit: typos

[ June 24, 2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Cravdraa ]

06-25-2002, 09:09 AM

BUT! Wasn't Pauline and and Princess Toadstool considered the same person for a long time? I mean, they looked alike, dressed alike, were saved by the same hero. Then we find out Toadstool's name was Peach and then it was finally common knowledge that Pauline and Peach were two different princesses.

I don't think it's such a crazy theory that King Koopa and King Bowser may be different enemies, but then again, there is more evidence that they are the same person.

Well, let's look at it this way . . .

Donkey Kong (first game) VS Donkey Kong (SNES, N64) = NOT THE SAME

Pauline (first game) VS Princess Toadstool - NOT THE SAME

King Koopa (MB1) VS Bowser (SMB) = The same?

[ June 25, 2002, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Neo Seraph ]

imported_Cravdraa · 06-25-2002, 09:33 AM

No... No they were never considered the same. Your the first person I've ever heard suggest they were. The manual for Donkey Kong says rescue Pauline. The manual for SMB says rescue Princess Toadstool. That = not same. If you knew your backstories, you'd have known that Pauline was Mario's girlfriend from his days as a construction worker. She not even a princess.

Just because there is one instance where a character changed, doesn't mean you can apply it to every other character you see. By that logic I could say that this is a different Mario and Luigi because we now know that their full names are Mario Mario and Luigi Mario.

I have a SMB poster folded up in one of my desk drawers from the NES era. In it Koopa is chasing after Mario and Princess Toadstool with his troops. The interesting thing about this poster is that it was made around the time that SMB 2 was released and yet Koopa already looks almost exactly like Bowser's modern day form.

But all this is kind of pointless since the games and manuals all state that it's the same person.

[ June 25, 2002, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Cravdraa ]

06-25-2002, 10:15 AM

Yes, they are. King Bowser Koopa. Princess Peach Toadstool.

06-26-2002, 08:08 AM

YES THEY ARE THE SAME AS EVERY1 AGREES.

Ross · 06-26-2002, 05:27 PM

Yuppers, all sorted out now...

Hey! I know what you're talking about though! Neo was thinking of Princess Daisy from Super Mario Land... Yes that could confuse some people. They dress and look the same. HOWEVER, the instruction manual for SML clearly said she was Princess to Sarasaland, and that Mario was not in the Mushroom Kingdom. So only a few people without the instruction manual were confused.

More people were confused by Super Mario Land: 'Why did they make this Toadstool clone?'

The Donkey Kong series went off in a completely different direction from Super Mario. When revitalized with Donkey Kong Country, they thought it funny to make the original Donkey Kong a cranky old windbag who would talk about his arcade games. Bowser Koopa (and all the Mario characters) have never aged, and likely never will.

06-26-2002, 07:22 PM

King Koopa, or Bowser as we all know are indeed the same characters. Just Check the manual for Super mario bros. allstars.

06-26-2002, 09:53 PM

And the movie help with that confusion about Peach and Daisy.

07-21-2002, 09:34 AM

Yes, King Koopa and Bowser ARE the same, because they look like each other.

07-21-2002, 02:27 PM

King of the Koopa was renamed to Bowser on snes. Resulting in Bowser Koopa.

The same way Princess Toadstool was renamed to Peach on N64, resulting in Princess Peach Toadstool. Although in SMRPG when Belome ate Toadstool he commented on how Peachy she tasted.

Donkey Kong Arcade however is a different character from the current Donkey Kong. When Rare recieved the franchised they re did the whole thing and aged them. Donkey Kong Jr grew up and became the Donkey Kong we know today and Donkey Kong Sr aged and became Cranky an old Kong who rants about how games were perfect in his days and all the things today are all graphics and no gameplay.

07-21-2002, 02:28 PM

OH yea forgot to say this. King Koopa is not Bowser's father. Bowser father is no other then Morton Koopa. Not many people no this so it would be immposible to say King Koopa isn't Bowser.

Lava · 07-21-2002, 08:32 PM

I wonder why the topic starter got banned?

07-21-2002, 10:18 PM

Somthing to do with those big pictures she posted in other forums.

F-ZERO_X · 07-22-2002, 08:59 AM

King Koopa and bowser are the same person! In Video games magazines they call sometimes koopa to bowser! And they say Bowser is the king of the koopas!

07-22-2002, 11:08 AM

They're the same. In the cartoons, they just used how he was drawn in SMB for 'em. But of course they got better at making sprites and Bowser changed into basically his present self. Come to think of it, this game might've worked in the same way for the Mario's too. Not Peach though, she didn't begin to change until Mario World. And his kids in the cartoons are the same as the ones in the games. The only reason they look a little different and have different nicknames is because of copyright stuff, but they're still all the same. Its just their nicknames.

07-22-2002, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kolorado:
They're the same. In the cartoons, they just used how he was drawn in SMB for 'em. But of course they got better at making sprites and Bowser changed into basically his present self. Come to think of it, this game might've worked in the same way for the Mario's too. Not Peach though, she didn't begin to change until Mario World. And his kids in the cartoons are the same as the ones in the games. The only reason they look a little different and have different nicknames is because of copyright stuff, but they're still all the same. Its just their nicknames.

*agrees*

I'm the good Bowser really...

06-24-2002, 06:29 PM	#1
feverish Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Sure they look alike, but I'm not sure they are the same person . . . I mean the original Donkey Kong isn't classified as the same Donkey Kong from the more recent game (N64 for instance). Are they the same evil, or are they in fact two different beasts??? and Bowser . . . King Koopa [ June 24, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Red Queen, Maharani of the Houous ]

06-24-2002, 06:44 PM	#2
Eric68 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hyrule Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 711.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,211.00 Donate	Yes they are the same person. King Koopas full name is Koopa Bowser.

06-24-2002, 06:46 PM	#3
imported_Cravdraa Animal Crossing Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It\'s round on the sides and high in the middle Posts: 3,404 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 985.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 985.00 Donate	Actually, it's King Bowser Koopa, but same thing.

06-24-2002, 06:53 PM	#4
feverish Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	But . . . that doesn't mean they are the same person. The first one was simply King Koopa, the other one was King Boswer Koopa . . . they could be different people. Maybe King Koopa was Bowser's father, Like Donkey Kong (now Cranky Kong) and the present Donkey Kong.

06-24-2002, 07:20 PM	#5
imported_Cravdraa Animal Crossing Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It\'s round on the sides and high in the middle Posts: 3,404 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 985.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 985.00 Donate	One only needs to look at the SMB 3 manual to know that they are the same. In Japan they've always called him Koopa. It's just like Peach, for years she was called Princes Toadstool. Then we found out her first name, but you don't see people saying she's a different character. edit: typos [ June 24, 2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Cravdraa ]

06-25-2002, 09:09 AM	#6
Megaton Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	BUT! Wasn't Pauline and and Princess Toadstool considered the same person for a long time? I mean, they looked alike, dressed alike, were saved by the same hero. Then we find out Toadstool's name was Peach and then it was finally common knowledge that Pauline and Peach were two different princesses. I don't think it's such a crazy theory that King Koopa and King Bowser may be different enemies, but then again, there is more evidence that they are the same person. Well, let's look at it this way . . . Donkey Kong (first game) VS Donkey Kong (SNES, N64) = NOT THE SAME Pauline (first game) VS Princess Toadstool - NOT THE SAME King Koopa (MB1) VS Bowser (SMB) = The same? [ June 25, 2002, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Neo Seraph ]

06-25-2002, 09:33 AM	#7
imported_Cravdraa Animal Crossing Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It\'s round on the sides and high in the middle Posts: 3,404 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 985.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 985.00 Donate	No... No they were never considered the same. Your the first person I've ever heard suggest they were. The manual for Donkey Kong says rescue Pauline. The manual for SMB says rescue Princess Toadstool. That = not same. If you knew your backstories, you'd have known that Pauline was Mario's girlfriend from his days as a construction worker. She not even a princess. Just because there is one instance where a character changed, doesn't mean you can apply it to every other character you see. By that logic I could say that this is a different Mario and Luigi because we now know that their full names are Mario Mario and Luigi Mario. I have a SMB poster folded up in one of my desk drawers from the NES era. In it Koopa is chasing after Mario and Princess Toadstool with his troops. The interesting thing about this poster is that it was made around the time that SMB 2 was released and yet Koopa already looks almost exactly like Bowser's modern day form. But all this is kind of pointless since the games and manuals all state that it's the same person. [ June 25, 2002, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Cravdraa ]

06-25-2002, 10:15 AM	#8
Knuckles173 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Yes, they are. King Bowser Koopa. Princess Peach Toadstool.

06-26-2002, 08:08 AM	#9
Baby_Mario13 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	YES THEY ARE THE SAME AS EVERY1 AGREES.

06-26-2002, 05:27 PM	#10
Ross Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 275 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 564.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,064.00 Donate	Yuppers, all sorted out now... Hey! I know what you're talking about though! Neo was thinking of Princess Daisy from Super Mario Land... Yes that could confuse some people. They dress and look the same. HOWEVER, the instruction manual for SML clearly said she was Princess to Sarasaland, and that Mario was not in the Mushroom Kingdom. So only a few people without the instruction manual were confused. More people were confused by Super Mario Land: 'Why did they make this Toadstool clone?' The Donkey Kong series went off in a completely different direction from Super Mario. When revitalized with Donkey Kong Country, they thought it funny to make the original Donkey Kong a cranky old windbag who would talk about his arcade games. Bowser Koopa (and all the Mario characters) have never aged, and likely never will.

06-26-2002, 07:22 PM	#11
Kirb-E Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	King Koopa, or Bowser as we all know are indeed the same characters. Just Check the manual for Super mario bros. allstars.

06-26-2002, 09:53 PM	#12
Mario Jr Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	And the movie help with that confusion about Peach and Daisy.

07-21-2002, 09:34 AM	#13
luigipasta112 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Yes, King Koopa and Bowser ARE the same, because they look like each other.

07-21-2002, 02:27 PM	#14
Strong Kong Donkey Kong Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	King of the Koopa was renamed to Bowser on snes. Resulting in Bowser Koopa. The same way Princess Toadstool was renamed to Peach on N64, resulting in Princess Peach Toadstool. Although in SMRPG when Belome ate Toadstool he commented on how Peachy she tasted. Donkey Kong Arcade however is a different character from the current Donkey Kong. When Rare recieved the franchised they re did the whole thing and aged them. Donkey Kong Jr grew up and became the Donkey Kong we know today and Donkey Kong Sr aged and became Cranky an old Kong who rants about how games were perfect in his days and all the things today are all graphics and no gameplay.

07-21-2002, 02:28 PM	#15
Kirb-E Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	OH yea forgot to say this. King Koopa is not Bowser's father. Bowser father is no other then Morton Koopa. Not many people no this so it would be immposible to say King Koopa isn't Bowser.

07-21-2002, 08:32 PM	#16
Lava Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Amish Paradise Posts: 1,940 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,206.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,706.00 Donate	I wonder why the topic starter got banned?

07-21-2002, 10:18 PM	#17
Strong Kong Donkey Kong Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Somthing to do with those big pictures she posted in other forums.

07-22-2002, 08:59 AM	#18
F-ZERO_X Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nowhere Posts: 1,120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 5,033.50 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 5,533.50 Donate	King Koopa and bowser are the same person! In Video games magazines they call sometimes koopa to bowser! And they say Bowser is the king of the koopas!

07-22-2002, 11:08 AM	#19
Kolorado Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	They're the same. In the cartoons, they just used how he was drawn in SMB for 'em. But of course they got better at making sprites and Bowser changed into basically his present self. Come to think of it, this game might've worked in the same way for the Mario's too. Not Peach though, she didn't begin to change until Mario World. And his kids in the cartoons are the same as the ones in the games. The only reason they look a little different and have different nicknames is because of copyright stuff, but they're still all the same. Its just their nicknames.