How does the Mario storyline fit together?

01-01-2003, 01:32 AM

Okay,lets try to get this organized here.It's pretty simple up to mario waorld,then the order gets confusing.

YI-DK-DKjr-MB-SMB-SMB2-SMB3-SMW

but what after that?Super mario land?SMRPG?And what about the "party games" like mario kart,mario golf,and mario party?CAN they fit?I personally see them as alternate universes.

01-01-2003, 01:42 AM

Yoshi's Story comes after YI. The release dates of the party games should cue in where they fit in.

01-01-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mikeachu:
Yoshi's Story comes after YI. The release dates of the party games should cue in where they fit in.

So your saying the party games actually happened?I find it hard to count all those types in continuity.Really,they contain events that simply don't fit in with the mario storyline.Dk?DK Jr!?Birdo?Waluigi?Bowser racing against mario,or playing tennis?And why would Mario hit peach?He does it all the time in mario party.

Anyway,I think only the adventure games should count.The part games just throw a bunch of random mario characters into a random situation for no apparent reason,and while they may be fun,they have no reguards to the actual storyline.

With that said,we still have the SMRPG/SM:TLL/SML1&2 problem,as it is fuzzy as to what order they go in.Personally,I think that SMRPG happens right after SMW,as Yoshi is in the game,and he doesn't reappear again until SM64(in which case,he remarks that he hasn't seen Mario for a long time).We can then figure that mario shortly goes to Sarasaland to stop the alien invasion,and upon his return he finds that his land has been stolen(which we can assume was given to him for freeing the mushroom people in SMB & SMB3).Now,the lost levels may have occured after ward,seeing that the stretch of time Mario was away during SML1&2 would have been plenty enough for bowser to retake the mushroom kingdom with a more powerful army.Of course,if we go by this timeline,we have to wonder why Luigi didn't stop bowser earlier(of course,we know he doesn't like fighting without his bro...)

Or we can put it where the japanese have it-right after SMB.I don't know how exactly it was supposed to happen,but somehow bowser was supposed to return and retake over the mushroom kingdom directly after #1.

Of course,TLL was not released until far later in good ol US of A,after SMW happened.so it is more likely that TLL happened sometime after SMW.

Luigi of the Pipes · 01-01-2003, 11:39 PM

I'm content to say that every Mario game, save for Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story, which are pointed out as being prequels, take place during the same general time period as when they were released.

Some evidence is that the instruction booklet of Wario Land 4 dates it as happening on November 17, 2001: the same day that Wario Land 4 was released in the USA.

01-02-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by Professor Elvin (Oya-maa) Gadd:
I'm content to say that every Mario game, save for Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story, which are pointed out as being prequels, take place during the same general time period as when they were released.

Some evidence is that the instruction booklet of Wario Land 4 dates it as happening on November 17, 2001: the same day that Wario Land 4 was released in the USA.

SML2 was stated to happen directly after SML1.Was SML2 released directly after SML1?

And what about TLL?It was released here at different times in Japan and America.Does it happen after SMW,or SMB?

01-02-2003, 08:45 PM

mario(with the except of SMRPG) has basically no story)

Luigi of the Pipes · 01-02-2003, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Alph:
SML2 was stated to happen directly after SML1.Was SML2 released directly after SML1?

It says nothing of the sort in the instruction manual. All it says is that Wario took over Mario's Castle while he was beating up on Tatanga. No implication on how long Mario waited before deciding to go back and reclaim the palace. And since there is no proper judge of Mario's character, there's no way of telling.

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And what about TLL?It was released here at different times in Japan and America.Does it happen after SMW,or SMB?

The name itself implies that this game was misplaced or "lost" in the lines of America's Mario games. Therefore, we turn to the Japanese release, since it is not lost in that one, as the accurate source.

As for the inevitable question that'll come up about whether the release date for America or Japan is proper, all I can say is that I got them on the American dates, so those are the ones I go by.

01-03-2003, 06:59 PM

^Okay,I agree with you about "the lost levels".

But unless
Mario doesn't go to his home for extended periods of time,it makes more sense for SML2 to happen pretty closely after SML.

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mario(with the except of SMRPG) has basically no story)"

So?

Luigi of the Pipes · 01-03-2003, 11:58 PM

Well, as shown in SMRPG and PM, Mario has more than a castle for a home.

And SMW does take place between SML and SML2.

So Mario probably stopped in at his home with Luigi after the ordeal at Sarasaland, got invited to a vacation, and went right out.

01-04-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Professor Elvin (Oya-maa) Gadd:
Well, as shown in SMRPG and PM, Mario has more than a castle for a home.

And SMW does take place between SML and SML2.

So Mario probably stopped in at his home with Luigi after the ordeal at Sarasaland, got invited to a vacation, and went right out.

Sounds plausible.

Ditto McCloaker · 01-05-2003, 04:01 PM

I finally arrived at the conclusion that "Mario Land" from SML 2 was more like a theme park dedicated to Mario... like "Walt Disney World." It seems designed that way...

I put SM64 after Paper Mario, cuz it was in Paper Mario learned the Butt Stomp with that badge.

I imagine the Party adventures (also Kart and Tennis) represent the sort of small adventures that fill up the characters' time between their grand adventures... They get all competitive about stuff.

Lost Levels would come shortly after Super Mario Bros. It's just further plots by Bowser to kidnap the Princess (several times, in fact... you save her numerous times in that game). After that, Bowser wised up and started thinking of ways to sneak her away (at the end of SMB3).

[ January 05, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Shigeru Miyamoto ]

Ross · 01-06-2003, 12:32 AM

Sorry to say, I think it's easier to just say that Bowser is always kidnapping the princess while Mario (and sometimes Luigi) constantly save her. Like YI, as far as continuity that game's a joke. Your want for 'chronological order' is futile, it makes as much sense as to try putting every single Looney Toons cartoon into a timeline.

That being said, I'll throw you a bone on the MarioKart, Golf, Tennis, Party etc. games. For Super Smash Bros. Miyamoto explained that if there needs to be a 'story' for the game, some explanation as to why Mario, Link, Samus, Fox, Pikachu etc. all existed in the same place (plus worse yet, were all fighting each other!) it was that they were all magic dolls brought to life. Yep. That way fans would not complain that you could make Zelda fight Link, and 'worry' if it affected the Zelda games (yeah, that one kept me up at night... sheesh). You could easily say the same thing of the multiple MarioKart and sports games.

My sister and I always joked when playing Super Mario Kart (back when it first came out) why the guys invited Bowser to the race. Seemed darn stupid to allow the monster constantly attacking the kingdom and abducting the Princess to be allowed in a friendly go-kart race!

01-01-2003, 01:32 AM	#1
Christopher Illicete Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Okay,lets try to get this organized here.It's pretty simple up to mario waorld,then the order gets confusing. YI-DK-DKjr-MB-SMB-SMB2-SMB3-SMW but what after that?Super mario land?SMRPG?And what about the "party games" like mario kart,mario golf,and mario party?CAN they fit?I personally see them as alternate universes.

01-01-2003, 01:42 AM	#2
The Six Axem Rangers Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Yoshi's Story comes after YI. The release dates of the party games should cue in where they fit in.

01-01-2003, 11:39 PM	#4
Luigi of the Pipes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Goomba Village, Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 4,959 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Points: 745.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,245.00 Donate	I'm content to say that every Mario game, save for Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story, which are pointed out as being prequels, take place during the same general time period as when they were released. Some evidence is that the instruction booklet of Wario Land 4 dates it as happening on November 17, 2001: the same day that Wario Land 4 was released in the USA.

01-02-2003, 08:45 PM	#6
[sage] Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	mario(with the except of SMRPG) has basically no story)

01-03-2003, 06:59 PM	#8
Christopher Illicete Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^Okay,I agree with you about "the lost levels". But unless Mario doesn't go to his home for extended periods of time,it makes more sense for SML2 to happen pretty closely after SML. Quote-" mario(with the except of SMRPG) has basically no story)" So?

01-03-2003, 11:58 PM	#9
Luigi of the Pipes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Goomba Village, Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 4,959 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Points: 745.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,245.00 Donate	Well, as shown in SMRPG and PM, Mario has more than a castle for a home. And SMW does take place between SML and SML2. So Mario probably stopped in at his home with Luigi after the ordeal at Sarasaland, got invited to a vacation, and went right out.

01-05-2003, 04:01 PM	#11
Ditto McCloaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: SimCity Posts: 3,246 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 983.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,483.00 Donate	I finally arrived at the conclusion that "Mario Land" from SML 2 was more like a theme park dedicated to Mario... like "Walt Disney World." It seems designed that way... I put SM64 after Paper Mario, cuz it was in Paper Mario learned the Butt Stomp with that badge. I imagine the Party adventures (also Kart and Tennis) represent the sort of small adventures that fill up the characters' time between their grand adventures... They get all competitive about stuff. Lost Levels would come shortly after Super Mario Bros. It's just further plots by Bowser to kidnap the Princess (several times, in fact... you save her numerous times in that game). After that, Bowser wised up and started thinking of ways to sneak her away (at the end of SMB3). [ January 05, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Shigeru Miyamoto ]

01-06-2003, 12:32 AM	#12
Ross Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 275 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 564.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,064.00 Donate	Sorry to say, I think it's easier to just say that Bowser is always kidnapping the princess while Mario (and sometimes Luigi) constantly save her. Like YI, as far as continuity that game's a joke. Your want for 'chronological order' is futile, it makes as much sense as to try putting every single Looney Toons cartoon into a timeline. That being said, I'll throw you a bone on the MarioKart, Golf, Tennis, Party etc. games. For Super Smash Bros. Miyamoto explained that if there needs to be a 'story' for the game, some explanation as to why Mario, Link, Samus, Fox, Pikachu etc. all existed in the same place (plus worse yet, were all fighting each other!) it was that they were all magic dolls brought to life. Yep. That way fans would not complain that you could make Zelda fight Link, and 'worry' if it affected the Zelda games (yeah, that one kept me up at night... sheesh). You could easily say the same thing of the multiple MarioKart and sports games. My sister and I always joked when playing Super Mario Kart (back when it first came out) why the guys invited Bowser to the race. Seemed darn stupid to allow the monster constantly attacking the kingdom and abducting the Princess to be allowed in a friendly go-kart race!