Why I think Mario Sunshine is an unpopular game.

Dark Seraphim · 11-13-2009, 11:57 AM

I've been thinking about Mario Sunshine, what with Mario Galaxy 2 coming out (relatively) soon, and of course Mario Wii. And I wondered, why exactly is the game so unpopular? Sure there are a lot people who don't like it, but in the end I've heard many people say the same thing, "Its not a bad game." And I guess I agree, its not a bad game, its an ok game, its not fantastic, its not epic, and even though it introduces us to Petey Pirhanna and Bowser Jr. its still not even a very memorable game, but even so . . . why is it such a black sheep in the Mario game universe? I have theory to this, I don't think its because the game is bad, I think its because its not really a Mario game. Other than the fact Mario is in it, ts not really a game that has any real relation to any other Mario game. You don't fight the same way, you don't do the same things, the plot isn't the standard Mario plot (yes, Peach eventually get kidnapped, but its different, and besides, you were going after Bowser Jr anyway before he captures her, so its just an add-on in this case). In the end it could have just as easily been its own character, or even any other character from the Nintendo franchise. It could have been DK, it could even have been Link. Mario doesn't use Mario moves, Yoshi doesn't use Yoshi moves, and other than them, no other characters really appear or effect gameplay at all. Heck, the game may have made for sense if it was a Donkey Kong game, I mean Donkey Kong games usually take place on exotic islands, colorful fruits are normally available, and in the end the game's whole paint in the jungle could even have been a sublte moral for not polluting nature, instead of in Mario Sunshine where that really isn't put across it seems. Anyway, I guess that's my opinion, its just a Mario that isn't a Mario game really, really I don't think it needed to be.

Gabriel · 11-13-2009, 12:08 PM

They put FLUDD in, and I think most people feel that was a bad idea.

Dark Seraphim · 11-13-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Rodriguez

They put FLUDD in, and I think most people feel that was a bad idea.

A Water Flower might have been better?

**Deku Trii** · 11-13-2009, 12:14 PM

I liked it, though my enjoyment of the game took a hit when I heard Bowser's voice acting.

Dark Seraphim · 11-13-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deku Trii

I liked it, though my enjoyment of the game took a hit when I heard Bowser's voice acting.

Well as I said, its not a 'bad' game, but there was no reason for it to be a Mario game. There was really nothing that felt 'Mario' in it. He was just stuck in there so it would sell better.

Metal Mario · 11-13-2009, 12:23 PM

I'm a defender of Super Mario Sunshine. I've always liked it. I think the biggest element that contributes towards its "black sheep" status is the use of the water pack, but I enjoy the gameplay. It was something different.

And getting all 120 Shine Sprites is hard.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-13-2009, 01:47 PM

I never even played it much, I think it's similar to other Game Cube games that aren't popular, many people found them to be a pale imitation of their N64 equivalents, but I personally vastly prefer Wind Waker to OoT.

Luigiman7 · 11-13-2009, 04:06 PM

I like it. The gameplay feels weird, though. Moving around and jumping... the gravity is off.

***CaptHayfever*** · 11-13-2009, 04:09 PM

^Yeah, the motion is kinda wonky.

I think I'd like FLUDD better if it didn't talk.
I think I'd like Yoshi better if it didn't dissolve.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Dark Seraphim · 11-13-2009, 04:41 PM

I still think the game actually would have worked better as a Donkey Kong game, at least it would have made more sense I think.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 11-13-2009, 06:30 PM

The Water Flower idea is pretty cool.

PK FIRE! · 11-13-2009, 06:40 PM

Water cap turns Mario into water allowing faster movement, limited invonrability and allows for exploration of areas otherwise to narrow for Mario to fit through.

- You stupid dog.

Antisocial · 11-13-2009, 07:22 PM

Blue Coins are a pain in the ass.

Mario also has no standard means of attacking in place (i.e. punching).

I was also wondering what the hell they did with all the signature enemies. The Bullet Bills look like they were designed for a circus, all the Boos look disturbingly stoned, and Bob-ombs--I assume these were Bob-ombs--were literally giant wind-up toys with a digital face. I presume they were implying a different species of these enemies, since it's way out on Isle Delfino, but Jesus Christ. (At least Monty Moles survived this design overhaul.)

When I heard Bowser Jr. call Peach his "mama", I ****ing lost it.

**Valigarmander** · 11-13-2009, 07:44 PM

I think one of the reasons Sunshine was less popular than other games is that it didn't live up to the legacy left by 64. I mean, Sunshine was a good game, but it wasn't as great as 64 was. I think there might've been a bit of dissapointment there.

Also, the voice acting was bad (not to mention synching it to the characters talking).

Metal Mario · 11-13-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Mario also has no standard means of attacking in place (i.e. punching).

He can stomp.

Microphone_Kirby · 11-13-2009, 08:13 PM

Going in the air =/= standing in place :\

***DJ Blue J*** · 11-13-2009, 08:43 PM

Also, there was no level variety. Every level was tropical paradise in some way, shape or form--I mean, the mario series has been good on that since SMB1, but they just dropped the ball on it in SMS.

Metal Mario · 11-13-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Microphone_Kirby

Going in the air =/= standing in place :\

Oh, right. I misinterpreted the context of "in place". He meant "attacking while not moving from the spot", while I thought he meant "Mario has no means of standard attack set into place".

Rainbow Dash · 11-13-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Rodriguez

They put FLUDD in, and I think most people feel that was a bad idea.

I didn't.

Gabriel · 11-13-2009, 10:12 PM

Well, I said most people. Not all people. I personally was utterly indifferent, like so many things in life.

11-13-2009, 11:57 AM	#1
Dark Seraphim Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Gender: Posts: 431 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Why I think Mario Sunshine is an unpopular game. I've been thinking about Mario Sunshine, what with Mario Galaxy 2 coming out (relatively) soon, and of course Mario Wii. And I wondered, why exactly is the game so unpopular? Sure there are a lot people who don't like it, but in the end I've heard many people say the same thing, "Its not a bad game." And I guess I agree, its not a bad game, its an ok game, its not fantastic, its not epic, and even though it introduces us to Petey Pirhanna and Bowser Jr. its still not even a very memorable game, but even so . . . why is it such a black sheep in the Mario game universe? I have theory to this, I don't think its because the game is bad, I think its because its not really a Mario game. Other than the fact Mario is in it, ts not really a game that has any real relation to any other Mario game. You don't fight the same way, you don't do the same things, the plot isn't the standard Mario plot (yes, Peach eventually get kidnapped, but its different, and besides, you were going after Bowser Jr anyway before he captures her, so its just an add-on in this case). In the end it could have just as easily been its own character, or even any other character from the Nintendo franchise. It could have been DK, it could even have been Link. Mario doesn't use Mario moves, Yoshi doesn't use Yoshi moves, and other than them, no other characters really appear or effect gameplay at all. Heck, the game may have made for sense if it was a Donkey Kong game, I mean Donkey Kong games usually take place on exotic islands, colorful fruits are normally available, and in the end the game's whole paint in the jungle could even have been a sublte moral for not polluting nature, instead of in Mario Sunshine where that really isn't put across it seems. Anyway, I guess that's my opinion, its just a Mario that isn't a Mario game really, really I don't think it needed to be.

11-13-2009, 04:06 PM	#8
Luigiman7 ~)´◡｀(~ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: representin da bronx yo Gender: Posts: 17,308 Thanks: 1,100 Thanked 992 Times in 698 Posts Blog Entries: 8	I like it. The gameplay feels weird, though. Moving around and jumping... the gravity is off. __________________ ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ＷＯＮ’Ｔ　ＹＯＵ　ＢＥＣＯＭＥ　Ａ　ＭＡＧＩＣＡＬ　ＧＩＲＬ？

11-13-2009, 07:22 PM	#13
Antisocial Janitor Join Date: May 2000 Gender: Posts: 11,178 Thanks: 12 Thanked 1,102 Times in 458 Posts	I still liked the game, though. Blue Coins are a pain in the ass. Mario also has no standard means of attacking in place (i.e. punching). I was also wondering what the hell they did with all the signature enemies. The Bullet Bills look like they were designed for a circus, all the Boos look disturbingly stoned, and Bob-ombs--I assume these were Bob-ombs--were literally giant wind-up toys with a digital face. I presume they were implying a different species of these enemies, since it's way out on Isle Delfino, but Jesus Christ. (At least Monty Moles survived this design overhaul.) When I heard Bowser Jr. call Peach his "mama", I ****ing lost it.

11-13-2009, 07:44 PM	#14
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,223 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,553 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18	I think one of the reasons Sunshine was less popular than other games is that it didn't live up to the legacy left by 64. I mean, Sunshine was a good game, but it wasn't as great as 64 was. I think there might've been a bit of dissapointment there. Also, the voice acting was bad (not to mention synching it to the characters talking). __________________

11-13-2009, 12:08 PM	#2
Gabriel Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pesterchum~ Gender: Posts: 2,316 Thanks: 111 Thanked 102 Times in 79 Posts	They put FLUDD in, and I think most people feel that was a bad idea.

11-13-2009, 12:14 PM	#4
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 8,930 Thanks: 490 Thanked 1,063 Times in 559 Posts	I liked it, though my enjoyment of the game took a hit when I heard Bowser's voice acting.

11-13-2009, 12:23 PM	#6
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	I'm a defender of Super Mario Sunshine. I've always liked it. I think the biggest element that contributes towards its "black sheep" status is the use of the water pack, but I enjoy the gameplay. It was something different. And getting all 120 Shine Sprites is hard.

11-13-2009, 01:47 PM	#7
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	I never even played it much, I think it's similar to other Game Cube games that aren't popular, many people found them to be a pale imitation of their N64 equivalents, but I personally vastly prefer Wind Waker to OoT.

11-13-2009, 04:09 PM	#9
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,014 Thanks: 1,788 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts	^Yeah, the motion is kinda wonky. I think I'd like FLUDD better if it didn't talk. I think I'd like Yoshi better if it didn't dissolve. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

11-13-2009, 04:41 PM	#10
Dark Seraphim Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Gender: Posts: 431 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	I still think the game actually would have worked better as a Donkey Kong game, at least it would have made more sense I think.

11-13-2009, 06:30 PM	#11
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,543 Thanks: 1,247 Thanked 263 Times in 222 Posts Blog Entries: 1	The Water Flower idea is pretty cool.

11-13-2009, 06:40 PM	#12
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	Water cap turns Mario into water allowing faster movement, limited invonrability and allows for exploration of areas otherwise to narrow for Mario to fit through. - You stupid dog.

11-13-2009, 08:13 PM	#16
Microphone_Kirby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: None of your business. Gender: Posts: 7,013 Thanks: 525 Thanked 223 Times in 179 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Going in the air =/= standing in place :\

11-13-2009, 08:43 PM	#17
*DJ Blue J* Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 28,366 Thanks: 2,335 Thanked 1,698 Times in 917 Posts	Also, there was no level variety. Every level was tropical paradise in some way, shape or form--I mean, the mario series has been good on that since SMB1, but they just dropped the ball on it in SMS.

11-13-2009, 10:12 PM	#20
Gabriel Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pesterchum~ Gender: Posts: 2,316 Thanks: 111 Thanked 102 Times in 79 Posts	Well, I said most people. Not all people. I personally was utterly indifferent, like so many things in life.