(Small) Complaint about Super Mario Bros. Wii - Page 2

Metal Mario · 11-16-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bureau

Palette. Swap.

Also wanted to comment on this. Luigi, despite being a simple palette swap of Mario, was still defined as being a different character with a different name. He wasn't just another Mario. He was Mario's brother. Which is why they called the game Mario Bros. The same goes for Toad in the later Mario games. Up until Paper Mario, there was one specific character named Toad, and all the others of his race were just Mushroom People. But, beginning with Paper Mario, Nintendo established the practice of referring to all of Princess Toadstool's subjects as Toads. I'm old-school, so I don't abide by this, just as I still call Princess Toadstool by her original name. Consequently, Toad is the loyal Mushroom Retainer with the red spots and blue vest who shows up in SMB 2, SMRPG, and the sports, Kart, and Party titles. The unnamed Mushroom People in games like SMB, SM 64, and Luigi's Mansion are not Toad. They're just various scattered citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. And the two playable Mushroom People in New SMB Wii aren't Toad either.

Dark Seraphim · 11-16-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

I'm old-school, so I don't abide by this, just as I still call Princess Toadstool by her original name.

Technically Peach was her original name, she was always known as Peach in Japan, it just didn't catch on in the U.S. until Mario 64.

But thanks for your input Metal Mario, I basically wanted to say the same thing about How Mario and Luigi being pallet swaps are in fact different then the new yellow and blue "Toads" in my opinion, but couldn't really find the right words to do so.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-16-2009, 03:19 PM

Some people Mario terminology was for a long time defined by the Cartoon, why the movie never uses the word Bowser.

Metal Mario · 11-16-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Seraphim

she was always known as Peach in Japan, it just didn't catch on in the U.S. until Mario 64.

More like Nintendo forced it on us.

Dark Seraphim · 11-16-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

More like Nintendo forced it on us.

PEACHY!

Luigiman7 · 11-16-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bureau

PS. Toadette is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

Yes, Toadette is stupid. What's the point of a female-specific Toad? It's like the Smurfs, and their stupid single-female-Smurf bullcrap. Grah.

I like her. Not the concept of her, just her as a character. Especially her voice.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-16-2009, 03:56 PM

Toadette is awesome, she helped make TTYD the 2nd best MarioRPG.

Dr. Furball · 11-16-2009, 05:19 PM

As someone who's a big fan of the Wario Land games, I've gotta say that if they were gonna put Wario into the game, he'd have to play completely different from the others.
He'd have to have a shoulder charge attack, for one. More traction on his feet, a life bar of some sort, maybe.
It'd be like putting Link, sword and all, in the game, but having him play the same as the Mario Bros. Wario's style of platforming just doesn't suit that of Super Mario Bros.

And, as far as I'm concerned, Waluigi isn't even canon.

1-up Salesman · 11-16-2009, 05:22 PM

Wario and Waluigi don't work. Wario punches and does huge ground-pounds, and Waluigi, well...plays sports, if anything.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-16-2009, 05:23 PM

They could draw from how you played him in SM64DS

Dizzy · 11-16-2009, 05:45 PM

I don't know why Wario and Waluigi can't play like the Toads. Sure, their sizes are radically different than that of Mario and Luigi, but that doesn't really mean anything.

Metal Mario · 11-16-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Furball

And, as far as I'm concerned, Waluigi isn't even canon.

The Mario universe doesn't have a canon.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-16-2009, 06:02 PM

I'm sick of Waluigi hate, I love him and want to see him finally appear in a Legit game.

Toadette awa's introduced in Mario Kart Double Dash, but that didn't keep her out of TTYD.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 11-16-2009, 08:54 PM

^^ You can't have it both ways (being pedantic about "one real" Toad, and Princess Toadstool vs. Peach as a name, then declare there's no canon to speak of).

Waluigi is the worst character design the franchise has made repeated use of. He just doesn't fit.

BTW:

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Mushroom retainers
Seven Mushrooms who originally served in the court of Princess Toadstool, but
are now under the spell of the evil Koopa king.

These are the Toad/s you save from each castle in SMB1. The manual clearly states that they are several different people. It also makes no mention of Luigi, or differentiation between Player 1 and Player 2 as different people. *shrug*

Metal Mario · 11-16-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

^^ You can't have it both ways (being pedantic about "one real" Toad, and Princess Toadstool vs. Peach as a name, then declare there's no canon to speak of)

I don't see what one has to do with the other.

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Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

These are the Toad/s you save from each castle in SMB1. The manual clearly states that they are several different people.

They weren't called Toads then, though. The first appearance of a character called Toad was SMB 2.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-16-2009, 10:14 PM

What are you talking about, Waluigi fits with Wario perfectly, they need to take advantage of him.

**Cravdraa** · 11-16-2009, 10:48 PM

In english, at least, Toad used to be an actual character, where as the species in general were simply refered to as the mushroom people. It wasn't until the N64 era that they started mixing the meaning of the two. Given the timeframe of when the confusion began, I suspect that maybe there was never such a distinction in Japan, since it started right around when Nintendo started unifying their storys and much of what had become accepted in NA got overwritten.

Even recently, Toadette was stated to be "the" Toad's sister, so there's still some confusion.

Robotazy · 11-16-2009, 11:21 PM

I fail to see how Waluigi's design is any different, weird, or non-mario from the design of the Koopalings in a world where you eat mushrooms.

Chaos Deviot · 11-16-2009, 11:26 PM

This is the problem with Nintendo, boring generic crap. I agree, two Toads is just stupid. Not that I actually like Waluigi, but he and Wario would've been much better in the long run. Not to mention the stupidity of no online co-op. That was a MAJOR oversight...

**X-3** · 11-16-2009, 11:42 PM

Didn't they say there was no online because of the Wii's power or something? Whatever the reason, it is pretty lame.

...I wouldn't mind more than 4 characters, but I guess there's no more than those 4. Oh well, I like the color blue.

11-16-2009, 03:19 PM	#23
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Some people Mario terminology was for a long time defined by the Cartoon, why the movie never uses the word Bowser.

11-16-2009, 03:56 PM	#27
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Toadette is awesome, she helped make TTYD the 2nd best MarioRPG.

11-16-2009, 05:19 PM	#28
Dr. Furball Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Mad Science Academy, 12th Floor Gender: Posts: 1,125 Thanks: 185 Thanked 97 Times in 60 Posts	As someone who's a big fan of the Wario Land games, I've gotta say that if they were gonna put Wario into the game, he'd have to play completely different from the others. He'd have to have a shoulder charge attack, for one. More traction on his feet, a life bar of some sort, maybe. It'd be like putting Link, sword and all, in the game, but having him play the same as the Mario Bros. Wario's style of platforming just doesn't suit that of Super Mario Bros. And, as far as I'm concerned, Waluigi isn't even canon.

11-16-2009, 05:22 PM	#29
1-up Salesman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Your bedroom. I love it here! Gender: Posts: 3,861 Thanks: 2,071 Thanked 228 Times in 180 Posts Blog Entries: 9	Wario and Waluigi don't work. Wario punches and does huge ground-pounds, and Waluigi, well...plays sports, if anything.

11-16-2009, 05:23 PM	#30
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	They could draw from how you played him in SM64DS

11-16-2009, 05:45 PM	#31
Dizzy A Real Sonic Hero Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 18,222 Thanks: 1,670 Thanked 1,078 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 111	I don't know why Wario and Waluigi can't play like the Toads. Sure, their sizes are radically different than that of Mario and Luigi, but that doesn't really mean anything.

11-16-2009, 06:02 PM	#33
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	I'm sick of Waluigi hate, I love him and want to see him finally appear in a Legit game. Toadette awa's introduced in Mario Kart Double Dash, but that didn't keep her out of TTYD.

11-16-2009, 10:14 PM	#36
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	What are you talking about, Waluigi fits with Wario perfectly, they need to take advantage of him.

11-16-2009, 10:48 PM	#37
Cravdraa VGF RPG Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It's Round on the sides and high in the middle. Gender: Posts: 8,100 Thanks: 156 Thanked 598 Times in 369 Posts	In english, at least, Toad used to be an actual character, where as the species in general were simply refered to as the mushroom people. It wasn't until the N64 era that they started mixing the meaning of the two. Given the timeframe of when the confusion began, I suspect that maybe there was never such a distinction in Japan, since it started right around when Nintendo started unifying their storys and much of what had become accepted in NA got overwritten. Even recently, Toadette was stated to be "the" Toad's sister, so there's still some confusion.

11-16-2009, 11:21 PM	#38
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,284 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,238 Times in 885 Posts Blog Entries: 43	I fail to see how Waluigi's design is any different, weird, or non-mario from the design of the Koopalings in a world where you eat mushrooms.

11-16-2009, 11:26 PM	#39
Chaos Deviot Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mt. Moon Gender: Posts: 1,565 Thanks: 131 Thanked 34 Times in 31 Posts Blog Entries: 1	This is the problem with Nintendo, boring generic crap. I agree, two Toads is just stupid. Not that I actually like Waluigi, but he and Wario would've been much better in the long run. Not to mention the stupidity of no online co-op. That was a MAJOR oversight...

11-16-2009, 11:42 PM	#40
X-3 No avatar, no justice, no dreams, no hope! Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,508 Thanks: 733 Thanked 1,158 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Didn't they say there was no online because of the Wii's power or something? Whatever the reason, it is pretty lame. ...I wouldn't mind more than 4 characters, but I guess there's no more than those 4. Oh well, I like the color blue.