Was Super Mario 64 a Financial Failure?

Caped Mario · 08-02-2004, 11:35 PM

The only reason I asked this is because they're really weren't that many Mario games with N64 and only two Mario related platform games. I mean sure we got 3 Mario Parties and 2 Mario sports games but there never was a follow up to SM64. I mean I remember when N64 was "out" I kept hoping they would make some form of sequel to SM64. The closest things we got were Paper Mairo and Yoshi's Story. I mean N64 had the least Mario games (I'm excluding cam. in non-mario games) than any other system save for maybe Virtual Boy. What happened, did Super Mario 64 sell poorly or was Nintendo just too caught up with Pokemon?

Parrakarry · 08-02-2004, 11:45 PM

Been a while, hasn't it...

I'd say that that's quite a good question. Super Mario 64 was a very popular game, yet Nintendo didn't make a sequel for it until Super Mario Sunshine, which was completely subpar in my opinion. This would imply that either A: it failed somehow, financially as you suggest or otherwise, or B: they WERE too caught up in the Pokemon craze. Super Mario 64 was released... what was it, six years before its sequel? Systems come out faster than that... and they did. That's quite a good question, in my opinion... one for which I have no answer.

Caped Mario · 08-02-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by ^Parrakarry:
Been a while, hasn't it...

I'd say that that's quite a good question. Super

Two years.

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Mario 64 was a very popular game, yet Nintendo didn't make a sequel for it until Super Mario Sunshine, which was completely subpar in my opinion.

I never played Super Mario Sunshine, though I rented it today. As you know I got disgusted with gamecube, bought a Playstation, and havn't played it since. Actulley, that not true I loved Resident Evil which I got after I bought Playstation 2. Though I loved Luigi's Mansion Super Mario Sunshine just looked...lame (Let's go clean!). Though with my recent urge to play Super Mario World and buy various Mario junk (please don't ask I think I'm having a mental breakdown) I decided to give it a try. I plan on playing it after I beat SMW (which in my mind is defeating Bowser not getting a96) which should be tommorow since I'm on Bowser's castle. I almost rented Double Dash instead...but no I rented a game about cleaning.

Parrakarry · 08-02-2004, 11:58 PM

Double Dash is a great game. Mario Sunshine... well, I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hmm... Luigi's Mansion is about vacuuming, SMS is about cleaning graffiti... what's next, a game about the virtues of yard work?

I left this place for about a year once. Then the same sort of "mental breakdown" happened to me. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Flamethrower Mario · 08-03-2004, 05:28 AM

SM64 sold roughly 13 million. The budget, according to Miyamoto, required about 300,000 copies sold. It was the most successful N64 game by far.

The easy answer is that EAD was busy with Zelda, then GCN software.

[ August 03, 2004, 05:32 AM: Message edited by: FM ]

Chunky Kong12345 · 08-03-2004, 08:56 AM

Hell no. (To topic title)

Dr.Donez · 08-03-2004, 12:27 PM

Shigeru Miyamoto was secretly killed but they later made a clone from his dna.

Caped Mario · 08-03-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by ^Parrakarry:
Double Dash is a great game. Mario Sunshine... well, I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

From what I hear it starts out amusing and than just gets bad mainly due to frustarating controls. Being I'm only the like the second misson thing it's still midly amusing, but the controls are starting to get annoying as hell. It's sorta like Super Mario 64 Meets Super Mario World Meets Luigi's Mansion.

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Hmm... Luigi's Mansion is about vacuuming, SMS is about cleaning graffiti... what's next, a game about the virtues of yard work

Remember when Mario games were about stomping on things for no real apparent reason? This cleaning **** is annoying.

Gamer Chris · 08-03-2004, 04:26 PM

SM64 wasn't a financial failure in and of ITSELF. It was the best selling N64 game as it was stated already.

I say the "in and of itself" part because they really should have made a sequal. But of course, they waited till SMS to make one and that was barely a sequal to SM64 at all(didn't do too well either).

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~Gamer Chris

OcarinaMan · 08-03-2004, 04:54 PM

I think they were too caught up with the spin-offs.

Parrakarry · 08-03-2004, 07:25 PM

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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ^Parrakarry:
Double Dash is a great game. Mario Sunshine... well, I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

From what I hear it starts out amusing and than just gets bad mainly due to frustarating controls. Being I'm only the like the second misson thing it's still midly amusing, but the controls are starting to get annoying as hell. It's sorta like Super Mario 64 Meets Super Mario World Meets Luigi's Mansion.

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Hmm... Luigi's Mansion is about vacuuming, SMS is about cleaning graffiti... what's next, a game about the virtues of yard work

Remember when Mario games were about stomping on things for no real apparent reason? This cleaning **** is annoying. </font>[/quote]Except that those were pretty good games.

Caped Mario · 08-03-2004, 08:18 PM

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Except that those were pretty good games.

Thats what I was saying. OK on SMS I read some reviews on amazon and a lot of people said it was frustatrating like controler break frustarating. I'm on the collect 8 red coins (the windmill village place is much like Bom-omb battlefield its not funny)misson thing. I collect them in 10 minutes flat. 50 minutes I still havn't gotten the goddamn shine. At this point I'm just screw it, log off, and come here. Thirty of those 50 minutes were just trying to figure out where it is.

[ August 03, 2004, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Caped Mario Has Returned ]

homer · 08-03-2004, 08:23 PM

1). Don't be mad because you and your friends suck at video games.

2). You're a dumbass anyway. I'm not suprised you couldn't find the shine.

3).What the hell is Amazaon?

Caped Mario · 08-03-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by ^ROFLCOPTER:
1). Don't be mad because you and your friends suck at video games.

I never mentioned my friends...

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2). You're a dumbass anyway. I'm not suprised you couldn't find the shine.

Strike a nerve? Insult your precocious Super Mario Sunshine?

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3). What the hell is Amazaon?

What the hell is suprised?

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. [img]redface.gif[/img]

DarthButcher · 08-04-2004, 09:58 AM

I liked Super Mario Sunshine! But, it did lack to the other Mario games I have played.

Where is the idiot running to? Why to Nintendo Mania of course. Just follow him for the time of your life.

**Sean P Kelly** · 08-04-2004, 03:00 PM

When did this turn into a topic on why Super Mario Sunshine sucks? (I like the game BTW)

Caped Mario · 08-04-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sean Kelly:
When did this turn into a topic on why Super Mario Sunshine sucks? (I like the game BTW)

I was wondering the same thing too awhile ago. I guess maybe no one had any answers as to why they waited 6 years to make a sequel to their most succseful N64 game. My theory now is it wasn't quite the merch giant they wanted and pokemon was. Remember when they had Mario everything for showewheads to ice cream? Sure there where some beanbags from Mario Kart 64 at the 711 and various other things from Mario Kart 64 but not like pokemon could do. So therefore they concentrated on pokemon because it had succseful useless junk even though the games were no where nearly as succseful as SM64 (they were gameboy games come on). Now that the pokemon craze in U.S. is over they think they can come crawling back with one good game that sorta sort and one subpar game and a bunch of unorginal Mario games that have been done a thousand times (Mario Gold Toadstool Tour, Mario Part 4 & 5, etc). Though Double Dash was good...

OcarinaMan · 08-04-2004, 06:42 PM

"Sorta sort"? Huh?
Anyways, I've been disappointed with the Mario franchise since the N64 died. M&L is the worst Mario RPG so far, and SMS wasn't as good as SM64. I think that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart, though...

Viceroy Nute Gunray · 08-04-2004, 08:32 PM

Hey, hey, don't go insulting Pokemon games. The games are great. You can insult the merchandise, however.

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Originally posted by Caped Mario Has Returned:
I'm on the collect 8 red coins (the windmill village place is much like Bom-omb battlefield its not funny)misson thing. I collect them in 10 minutes flat. 50 minutes I still havn't gotten the goddamn shine. At this point I'm just screw it, log off, and come here. Thirty of those 50 minutes were just trying to figure out where it is.

That's kinda sad...

Anyway, sure, SMS wasn't as good as Super Mario 64, but I liked it. I had a lot of fun with Super Mario Sunshine and now I'm actually replaying it to get all the shine sprites.

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Originally posted by Caped Mario Has Returned:
Mario Gold Toadstool Tour

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By the way, Mario Golf: Toadstool TOur may not be original, but it's a sequel that is much, much better than the first.

Caped Mario · 08-04-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by OcarinaMan is demon-possessed:
"Sorta sort"? Huh?
Anyways, I've been disappointed with the Mario franchise since the N64 died. M&L is the worst Mario RPG so far, and SMS wasn't as good as SM64. I think that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart, though...

Thank OcarinaMan and Knuckles for pointing out my typos.

I agree with you for the most part Ocarina. Though I got disapointed with the Mario franchise mid N64 (when we had Mario Party after Mario Party). Though I did start to like it near the end (Mario Tennis, Paper Mario). Yes I know in another topic I said I didn't like Paper Mario and in the long run I don't think it's that great but it beats Mario Part 3 (although I'm considering replaying Paper Mario to see if theres something I missed). I also like Luigi's Mansion, but after that Nintendo in general took a turn for the worst. Although Double Dash is an amazing game.

08-02-2004, 11:35 PM	#1
Caped Mario Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Planet Hollywierd Posts: 2,442 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,973.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,473.00 Donate	The only reason I asked this is because they're really weren't that many Mario games with N64 and only two Mario related platform games. I mean sure we got 3 Mario Parties and 2 Mario sports games but there never was a follow up to SM64. I mean I remember when N64 was "out" I kept hoping they would make some form of sequel to SM64. The closest things we got were Paper Mairo and Yoshi's Story. I mean N64 had the least Mario games (I'm excluding cam. in non-mario games) than any other system save for maybe Virtual Boy. What happened, did Super Mario 64 sell poorly or was Nintendo just too caught up with Pokemon?

08-02-2004, 11:45 PM	#2
Parrakarry Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 10,684 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 9,812.87 Bank: 634.12 Total Points: 10,446.99 Donate	Been a while, hasn't it... I'd say that that's quite a good question. Super Mario 64 was a very popular game, yet Nintendo didn't make a sequel for it until Super Mario Sunshine, which was completely subpar in my opinion. This would imply that either A: it failed somehow, financially as you suggest or otherwise, or B: they WERE too caught up in the Pokemon craze. Super Mario 64 was released... what was it, six years before its sequel? Systems come out faster than that... and they did. That's quite a good question, in my opinion... one for which I have no answer.

08-02-2004, 11:58 PM	#4
Parrakarry Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 10,684 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 9,812.87 Bank: 634.12 Total Points: 10,446.99 Donate	Double Dash is a great game. Mario Sunshine... well, I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Hmm... Luigi's Mansion is about vacuuming, SMS is about cleaning graffiti... what's next, a game about the virtues of yard work? I left this place for about a year once. Then the same sort of "mental breakdown" happened to me. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

08-03-2004, 05:28 AM	#5
Flamethrower Mario Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 1,973 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,088.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,588.00 Donate	SM64 sold roughly 13 million. The budget, according to Miyamoto, required about 300,000 copies sold. It was the most successful N64 game by far. The easy answer is that EAD was busy with Zelda, then GCN software. [ August 03, 2004, 05:32 AM: Message edited by: FM ]

08-03-2004, 08:56 AM	#6
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Dr.Donez Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 210 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 589.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,089.00 Donate	Shigeru Miyamoto was secretly killed but they later made a clone from his dna.

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Gamer Chris Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Long Island, New York. Posts: 4,534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,798.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,298.00 Donate	SM64 wasn't a financial failure in and of ITSELF. It was the best selling N64 game as it was stated already. I say the "in and of itself" part because they really should have made a sequal. But of course, they waited till SMS to make one and that was barely a sequal to SM64 at all(didn't do too well either). --------------------------------- ~Gamer Chris

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OcarinaMan Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ikana Castle Posts: 2,481 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 9,844.77 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,344.77 Donate	I think they were too caught up with the spin-offs.

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homer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Omicron Persei 8 Posts: 3,911 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,762.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 3,262.00 Donate	1). Don't be mad because you and your friends suck at video games. 2). You're a dumbass anyway. I'm not suprised you couldn't find the shine. 3).What the hell is Amazaon?

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DarthButcher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Arizona Gender: Posts: 2,518 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 37,018.96 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 37,528.96 Donate	I liked Super Mario Sunshine! But, it did lack to the other Mario games I have played. Where is the idiot running to? Why to Nintendo Mania of course. Just follow him for the time of your life.

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Sean P Kelly SMBHQ Mod Movies Mod Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Gender: Posts: 3,393 Thanks: 10 Thanked 46 Times in 36 Posts Points: 207,674.73 Bank: 152,388.02 Total Points: 360,062.75 Donate	When did this turn into a topic on why Super Mario Sunshine sucks? (I like the game BTW)

08-04-2004, 06:42 PM	#18
OcarinaMan Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ikana Castle Posts: 2,481 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 9,844.77 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,344.77 Donate	"Sorta sort"? Huh? Anyways, I've been disappointed with the Mario franchise since the N64 died. M&L is the worst Mario RPG so far, and SMS wasn't as good as SM64. I think that Double Dash is the best Mario Kart, though...