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 08-10-2008, 11:20 PM | #1 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender:  Posts: 3,742 Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | It is the Skill of the Player... Not the "Tier-List" that decides the outcome of the game. It is the Skill of the Player not the "Meta-Game" that will decide the winner. It is the Skill of the Player that can win on any stage from Rumble Falls to Battlefield. It is the Skill of the Player that will carry you to victory. Not Banning Items Not Playing on Final Destination Not Teir Lists, Or L-Cancels, Or "Short Hopping", Or "Chain Grabs" It is something that every Gamer, From the Arcades to the Xbox. Casuel and Hardcore Fanboy and Nerd Anyone who has ever picked up a controller. Something that every gamer knows and lives by. Skill. |
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| 08-10-2008, 11:52 PM | #2 |
| Senior Member  Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Those who criticize our generation forget who raised it. Gender: Posts: 7,213 Thanks: 373 Thanked 760 Times in 447 Posts | Haven't we had...fifty topics like this? And everytime you get stomped in the face but it's still determined that NO ONE GIVES A ****, LET TOURNEYFAGS BE TOURNEYFAGS. US, THE MEMBERS OF VGF WILL PLAY HOWEVER WE LIKE. 10/10 thread make moar |
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| 08-10-2008, 11:54 PM | #3 | |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,742 Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | Quote:
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| 08-11-2008, 12:10 AM | #5 | |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,742 Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | Quote:
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| 08-11-2008, 07:56 AM | #7 |
| Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade  Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 32,132 Thanks: 253 Thanked 951 Times in 640 Posts Blog Entries: 2 | I hate that argument, because does something really exist if it only matters to .1% of the population? Or is it just something that those few people make up to rationalize why other people are beating them in these "tournaments". Seriously, the tournament footage I've seen on youtube of Melee doesn't even look fun. Tiers are stupid, especially for games like SSBB (not Melee, which I consider broken in some respects) in which there are so many different possibilities with the presence of items, smash balls, dymanic levels, etc....but oh em gee you can't play with items or on non-challenging levels cuz that would throw a wrench in teh high level of play and tehtierlistwouldbeshottohell.  |
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| 08-11-2008, 09:16 AM | #9 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender:  Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts | it takes mad skill to get hit a explosive box that spawned on your forward smash it takes mad skill to get chain grabbed across the stage in a mathematically unavoidable fashion it takes mad skill to be juggled by the lion tamers on game & watch Last edited by heh; 08-11-2008 at 09:16 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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| 08-11-2008, 10:17 AM | #10 | |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,742 Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | Quote:
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| 08-11-2008, 10:20 AM | #12 | ||
| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts | Quote:
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| 08-11-2008, 10:29 AM | #14 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,742 Thanks: 1,597 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | LUCK IS A FACTOR IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Baseball, Football, Soccer are all equal parts Skill and Luck. Takeing Luck OUT doesn't make you "Pro" it makes you a n00b. You might get juggled by a Lion Tamer in G&W, but you might also get trapped underneath when you recover on Final Destination. BOTH ARE LUCK! |
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| 08-11-2008, 10:33 AM | #15 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts | getting trapped under FD isn't luck? its bad aiming. |
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| 08-11-2008, 10:35 AM | #16 |
| Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 32,132 Thanks: 253 Thanked 951 Times in 640 Posts Blog Entries: 2 | I fail to see how that is luck, as opposed to a lack of skill. If I get trapped underneath on FD, it's not like the game said "Nope, not today!"...I just effed it up. I'm curious though, as to what you consider "luck" in the sports you mentioned. You can't just throw blanket statements out like that.  |
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| 08-11-2008, 10:50 AM | #17 | |
| been dreamin', i've been waitin'  Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a bomb-ass cloud house bachelorette pad Gender: Posts: 24,398 Thanks: 173 Thanked 1,179 Times in 716 Posts | Quote:
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| 08-11-2008, 10:58 AM | #18 |
| Super Bodyguard & King of the Arcade Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Wherever you want me to be Gender: Posts: 32,132 Thanks: 253 Thanked 951 Times in 640 Posts Blog Entries: 2 | Fair enough, something abstract, smart-ass. To clarify further, it moreso emphasizes the fact that it isn't even useful to the other 99.9%. A very loose example would be to say, a country having top-notch medical facilities but is only accessible to its ruler and a few subjects. Or something. |
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| 08-11-2008, 05:04 PM | #19 |
| Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Loading...... Gender: Posts: 7,289 Thanks: 26 Thanked 493 Times in 201 Posts Blog Entries: 1 | I had no idea that the way I prefer to play when facing my stepbro in intense matches or when testing myself out against some really competent VGFers makes me a "n00b".  I want to eliminate the variance that affects those kinds of matches when I do that. You do realize that the people that consistently beat me with those things off will very likely still consistently beat me with them on, right?I get what you're saying SML, but... this is an extreme example, but if there was a character made of cardboard with weak attacks and few combos, the top player for that character probably would never be able to beat the top Mario players. They might beat several other Marios, though. Between the existing characters, this still applies, although it seems to be extremely close... way closer than in SSBM probably. But yeah, it doesn't matter at all to most people, so basically everyone here is free to ignore any rankings or lists like that. |
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| 08-11-2008, 05:28 PM | #20 | |
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