Marvel Comics

Metal Mario · 03-13-2010, 11:42 AM

They annihilate Spider-Man, they bastardize Captain America, and they keep telling the same old stories over and over and over again. I'm glad I stopped reading them two years ago.

heh · 03-13-2010, 03:05 PM

the only series marvel ever ruined is the x-men. why marvel. why didn't you build off morrosins run instead of killing every mutant.

other then that marvel owns. sorry

Metal Mario · 03-13-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bats with Hats

the only series marvel ever ruined is the x-men.

That's all very well for you to say........if you enjoy a Spider-Man that sold his marriage to the devil in order to retcon the last 25 years of character development and storytelling and make him a hip, swingin', "relatable" loser again with no job, no house, and no girlfriend.

heh · 03-13-2010, 05:46 PM

spiderman needed a reboot. it could have been done a thousand times better, but he did need a reboot!

Metal Mario · 03-13-2010, 06:43 PM

No, he didn't.

And even if he did (which he didn't), what they gave him wasn't a reboot. They just regressed him to what he was during the 1970s.

Metal Man · 03-14-2010, 03:35 AM

I don't think destroying his character and turning him into an idiot counts as a reboot.

t3hDarkness · 03-14-2010, 06:11 AM

Marvel Adventures and Dark Avengers are hope in a troubled time.

PK FIRE! · 03-14-2010, 05:41 PM

So is there any point in me trying to get into Spider-Man comics or should I try and hunt down the Spider-Man Cartoon produced for FOX so I can have the Spider-Man I grew up with?

- You stupid dog.

Metal Mario · 03-14-2010, 05:48 PM

^Don't bother with the comics nowadays. Spider-Man is a mangled shell of his former self.

The 1990s Spider-Man animated series hasn't been put on DVD to any great extent; only a few select episodes are available. The more recent The Spectacular Spider-Man show, however, is pretty damn good, and should be easy to find.

PK FIRE! · 03-14-2010, 05:53 PM

I ment just trying to collect the comics granted finding used comics is fairly easy but I know Zilch about pricing them.

Bah, why is it that the shows I want are either hard to find on DVD or damn pricey? Much as I love Batman TAS, Futurama, and Outlaw Star they be hitting me budget fairly hard.

- You stupid dog.

heh · 03-14-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Man

I don't think destroying his character and turning him into an idiot counts as a reboot.

are you reading the comics backward or something

either way spiderman's comics have never been particularly good as cool as spiderman is

he was just really bad in the nineties and marvel decided the best way to clean him up was to reboot him (in the stupidest way possible, but nevermind that! i just pretend he fell into a time warp or something)

then they went on writing comics. recently he got pretty good again, im not sure about everything between now and OMD/BND though, but its not the nineties!

also ultimate spider-man is pretty good i think? i don't know i don't read much spider-man.

Panfan · 03-14-2010, 09:02 PM

from what i read from Ultimate Spider-Man (like the first 40 issues or so) it's really good.Also I didn't mind the pre-One More Day Spider-Man. Like Civil War and beforehand he was actually kind of decent. A lot better than 90s Spider-Man to say the least.

Metal Mario · 03-14-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PandaFan :3

Like Civil War and beforehand he was actually kind of decent.

Except when he became Iron Man's personal bitch.

heh · 03-14-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

Except when he became Iron Man's personal bitch.

except then he quit the iron man side

iron man has been a dick in general since then, but in the last big marvel event iron man basically had to reset his brain or something so he's ok now! (which is good because ******* iron man was the worst.)

also i thought one more day was way before civil war. i must be missing something, but regardless spiderman has sucked for a long time and hes kind of ok now so somewhere along the line marvel did something right ok!

tldr: marvel isn't the best but they don't suck and their universe is way better then mainstream DC universe imo.

PK FIRE! · 03-14-2010, 11:51 PM

I haven't read the comics but I thought it went House of M> Civil War> One more day > brsnd New Day.

- You stupid dog.

Metal Mario · 03-15-2010, 01:50 PM

^You're right.

Sim Kid · 03-16-2010, 01:10 PM

Would you believe I actually have a harder time keeping track of superhero comics than I do with manga?

No really...Civil wars between superhero factions, various universe resets, retcons, alternative timelines, universe splitting, alternative universes, crossovers, Crises on Infinite Worlds, various evil doppelgangers, reimagining, characters being cloned (Terra, anyone?), characters dying and then suddenly being resurrected (Raven, anyone?), etc.

Well I guess that is what happens when you have a lot of different authors writing it.

Metal Man · 03-16-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bats with Hats

are you reading the comics backward or something

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CodenameV · 03-16-2010, 02:25 PM

-twitch- Clone saga....Clone frigging saga. -twitchtwitch-

Metal Mario · 03-16-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sim Kid

Would you believe I actually have a harder time keeping track of superhero comics than I do with manga?

No really...Civil wars between superhero factions, various universe resets, retcons, alternative timelines, universe splitting, alternative universes, crossovers, Crises on Infinite Worlds, various evil doppelgangers, reimagining, characters being cloned (Terra, anyone?), characters dying and then suddenly being resurrected (Raven, anyone?), etc.

Well I guess that is what happens when you have a lot of different authors writing it.

That's also what happens when the character isn't allowed to grow and evolve past a certain point because it'll affect sales of action figures.

That's the truly sad thing. These characters are going to outlive us all, but in 70 years' time, they'll still be the same people they have been since 1965. They won't have learned a damn thing. They'll be doing the same thing the same way, making the same mistakes as they go. I guess I always knew that at the back of my mind, but Marvel's butchering of Spider-Man (formerly my favorite character) brought that fact to hideous, hideous light. I feel like scales have fallen from my eyes and I'm seeing clearly for the first time. After all, what's the point of getting so deeply involved with these characters when they're doomed to never actually go anywhere?

03-13-2010, 11:42 AM	#1
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	Marvel Comics They annihilate Spider-Man, they bastardize Captain America, and they keep telling the same old stories over and over and over again. I'm glad I stopped reading them two years ago.

03-13-2010, 03:05 PM	#2
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,766 Thanks: 706 Thanked 946 Times in 619 Posts	the only series marvel ever ruined is the x-men. why marvel. why didn't you build off morrosins run instead of killing every mutant. other then that marvel owns. sorry

03-13-2010, 05:46 PM	#4
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,766 Thanks: 706 Thanked 946 Times in 619 Posts	spiderman needed a reboot. it could have been done a thousand times better, but he did need a reboot!

03-13-2010, 06:43 PM	#5
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	No, he didn't. And even if he did (which he didn't), what they gave him wasn't a reboot. They just regressed him to what he was during the 1970s.

03-14-2010, 03:35 AM	#6
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	I don't think destroying his character and turning him into an idiot counts as a reboot.

03-14-2010, 06:11 AM	#7
t3hDarkness Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I weep oily black tears of joy. Gender: Posts: 7,590 Thanks: 119 Thanked 418 Times in 306 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Marvel Adventures and Dark Avengers are hope in a troubled time.

03-14-2010, 05:41 PM	#8
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	So is there any point in me trying to get into Spider-Man comics or should I try and hunt down the Spider-Man Cartoon produced for FOX so I can have the Spider-Man I grew up with? - You stupid dog.

03-14-2010, 05:48 PM	#9
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	^Don't bother with the comics nowadays. Spider-Man is a mangled shell of his former self. The 1990s Spider-Man animated series hasn't been put on DVD to any great extent; only a few select episodes are available. The more recent The Spectacular Spider-Man show, however, is pretty damn good, and should be easy to find.

03-14-2010, 05:53 PM	#10
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	I ment just trying to collect the comics granted finding used comics is fairly easy but I know Zilch about pricing them. Bah, why is it that the shows I want are either hard to find on DVD or damn pricey? Much as I love Batman TAS, Futurama, and Outlaw Star they be hitting me budget fairly hard. - You stupid dog.

03-14-2010, 09:02 PM	#12
Panfan Analrapist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I'm awesome, and I **** dolphins Gender: Posts: 18,540 Thanks: 1,384 Thanked 2,201 Times in 1,311 Posts Blog Entries: 15	from what i read from Ultimate Spider-Man (like the first 40 issues or so) it's really good.Also I didn't mind the pre-One More Day Spider-Man. Like Civil War and beforehand he was actually kind of decent. A lot better than 90s Spider-Man to say the least.

03-14-2010, 11:51 PM	#15
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	I haven't read the comics but I thought it went House of M> Civil War> One more day > brsnd New Day. - You stupid dog.

03-15-2010, 01:50 PM	#16
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	^You're right.

03-16-2010, 01:10 PM	#17
Sim Kid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The state of Denial Gender: Posts: 8,770 Thanks: 75 Thanked 196 Times in 120 Posts	Would you believe I actually have a harder time keeping track of superhero comics than I do with manga? No really...Civil wars between superhero factions, various universe resets, retcons, alternative timelines, universe splitting, alternative universes, crossovers, Crises on Infinite Worlds, various evil doppelgangers, reimagining, characters being cloned (Terra, anyone?), characters dying and then suddenly being resurrected (Raven, anyone?), etc. Well I guess that is what happens when you have a lot of different authors writing it.

03-16-2010, 02:25 PM	#19
CodenameV Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mudkipland, CA Gender: Posts: 215 Thanks: 43 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	-twitch- Clone saga....Clone frigging saga. -twitchtwitch-