surprised this hasn't come up yet

Inferno Dragon · 07-09-2010, 09:14 PM

twilight, it sucks more than a vampire on a blood binge at a raging kegger.

EVERYTHING related to the twilight books/movies SUCKS!

IT'S BAD FAN FICTION!

bella is a complete bitch, edward has the personality of wood and *facepalms at jacob in the 4th book*

so yeah, sparkley vampires suck.

*awaits iminent demise from rabid twilight fangirls*

Speed · 07-09-2010, 09:24 PM

Published Fanfiction, pretty much sums it up.

**Valigarmander** · 07-09-2010, 09:27 PM

The thing that bothers me the most is how much of an epitome it is of badly-written Mary Sue Livejournal fantasies written by 12-year-old girls, and how much money it's making despite that.

**Marchie** · 07-09-2010, 09:41 PM

^^^No need to worry about fangirls here. Everyone here is rational...almost.

Inferno Dragon · 07-09-2010, 10:51 PM

thankfully.

MeowMan · 07-09-2010, 11:56 PM

Very, very, very, very, very highly agreed. Everyone acts like Twilight and everything related to it is so awesome. Even McDonald's at one point. And Burger King right now. When, really, it's a pile of crap.

Robotazy · 07-09-2010, 11:56 PM

I'm part of Team Dante.

Maximum Spider · 07-10-2010, 11:02 AM

I think the stupidest part of it all is that nearly all the online game ads you see on the internet involve werewolves and vampires. I mean, seriously? Has the popularity of those things risen just because of some stupid series that features those as the main characters?

***Cosmonautical*** · 07-10-2010, 11:41 AM

Still doubt any of you have read the books. Not saying it isn't awful in general, but seems like people go pretty far out of their way to bitch about something they don't need to be involved with. I find the existence of it in general to be an ultimately hilarious example of how absurd it is that we accept the replacement of original works with the palest imitations.

Then again, everyone acts like I'm strange for not watching television or listening to radio. All utter ****, though. Most "creative" people don't even seem to understand that they're creating plagiaristic, stereotypical tripe with no respect for what's been accomplished by the world at large. Hence, crap like Twilight.

The immense lack of culture apparent in Western society is a void that has been filled with senseless consumerism. What's old is new, and not because anyone sees any merit in retelling it. They can make a buck, and we should respect that, because it's what makes capitalism so ****ing great, right? Right. Way to go.

They actually made "octopuses" a word.

Vampires aren't a genre theme. There are persons to whom it has never occurred that there was a first writer to address the subject of Vampires.

Glux · 07-10-2010, 12:08 PM

The books not all THAT bad. I mean, little girls will read it because of the fairies!
...
What?
...
What do you mean those are supposed to be vampires?
...
You're ****ting me...
...
Oh, **** you , Stephanie Meyers, **** you.

Eagle Eye · 07-10-2010, 01:58 PM

Where's Blade?

Luigiman7 · 07-10-2010, 02:26 PM

Rainbow Dash · 07-10-2010, 03:10 PM

where's buffy

Metal Man · 07-10-2010, 04:27 PM

OMG GAIZ HOW DARE YOU HAET ON MAI FAVORIT BOOK ARGHHHHHHH

...

Seriously, these books are silly. Hasn't any of their readers heard of the Wheel of Time? Or any one of the millions of other great books that coincidentally have vampire-like beings in them somewhere, and those beings happen to actually be threatening?

Alternatively, there's plenty of mushy romance novels out there, if they must snoo snoo with vampires.

VG_Addict · 07-10-2010, 05:03 PM

But seriously, we should do to all the Twilight books what we did to Atari E.T.

**Valigarmander** · 07-10-2010, 06:42 PM

How Twilight Works - The Oatmeal

This was pretty funny.

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 07-10-2010, 11:43 PM

Still definitely not the worst books I've ever read. In fact, not even close to the worst. If any of you want to read them before acquiring an opinion, then I could have a reasonable discussion with someone for a change.

Regardless.

It's all about the inappropriate labeling from everyone and their mother. Twilight is absolutely, 100% a romance story. Paranormal romance isn't new, but marketing it towards a younger audience is. Romance was a genre that was dominated by adult stories, focusing entirely on adult scenarios (like work and ****, not OH HO ADULT SEX LOL). To re-brand the genre for the younger crowd, you had an untapped fanbase waiting for someone to cater towards them. Romance is worked into most other teen lit (or other teen media), but until recently, hasn't been a constant focus.

And don't even start about how "broken" the relationship is. Edward is a vampire. Bella's ultimate goal is to become a vampire. If you can't fathom the significance of this, we really can't progress beyond here.

As for the vampirisms, I've always vaguely wondered if the loudest complainers are actually aware of the history of the legends. Yes, sparkling was pretty much one of the worst possible descriptions I could imagine for why they must avoid the light. However, I can understand what Meyer was going for; sparkling wasn't right on the mark (a simple pearlescence would have been much more appropriate, considering their skin tone). Melting/dying in sunlight wasn't part of traditional vampire legend until the film Nosferatu, which entirely made it up. But now, that is part of the standard "qualities" of vampires today. My point here being that fictionalising characteristics of fictional creatures has been done throughout history, and while we can all agree Meyer went down the failroad of sparkling, she hasn't somehow desecrated vampires by making changes of her own.

"Fanfiction" applies to every story made today. It's all been done, children. Get over it. Pixar haven't made anything that is original and unique, but that doesn't stop the masses fawning over their films.

Twilight is part of "high fantasy". It's accessible. Completely accessible. People romaticise love, dangerous situations, and having exciting lives all the time. Then the average level of reading comprehension is grade 9. These books are the ultimate "anyone can read it". Therein lies their success.

And guess what? They weren't written for you. You are not the target audience. You're not expected to like it, just like you're not expected to like Sesame Street, or lawn bowls and bingo. Once you've squared with that, you can approach these forms of entertainment with a much more ambivalent attitude, because you can accept that they aren't designed to appeal to you. It's for someone else.

**Valigarmander** · 07-10-2010, 11:45 PM

but it suuuuuuuuuuucks

***Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds*** · 07-10-2010, 11:51 PM

so does half of everything the members here love i dont see the difference

Rainbow Dash · 07-10-2010, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds

so does half of everything the members here love i dont see the difference

uh oh

there she goes

the big girl

HASS the argument

07-09-2010, 09:14 PM	#1
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 6,038 Thanks: 67 Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts	surprised this hasn't come up yet twilight, it sucks more than a vampire on a blood binge at a raging kegger. EVERYTHING related to the twilight books/movies SUCKS! IT'S BAD FAN FICTION! bella is a complete bitch, edward has the personality of wood and facepalms at jacob in the 4th book so yeah, sparkley vampires suck. awaits iminent demise from rabid twilight fangirls

07-09-2010, 11:56 PM	#7
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	This involves getting them all killed. I'm part of Team Dante.

07-10-2010, 11:41 AM	#9
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	Still doubt any of you have read the books. Not saying it isn't awful in general, but seems like people go pretty far out of their way to bitch about something they don't need to be involved with. I find the existence of it in general to be an ultimately hilarious example of how absurd it is that we accept the replacement of original works with the palest imitations. Then again, everyone acts like I'm strange for not watching television or listening to radio. All utter **, though. Most "creative" people don't even seem to understand that they're creating plagiaristic, stereotypical tripe with no respect for what's been accomplished by the world at large. Hence, crap like Twilight. The immense lack of culture apparent in Western society is a void that has been filled with senseless consumerism. What's old is new, and not because anyone sees any merit in retelling it. They can make a buck, and we should respect that, because it's what makes capitalism so *ing great, right? Right. Way to go. They actually made "octopuses" a word. Vampires aren't a genre theme. There are persons to whom it has never occurred that there was a first writer to address the subject of Vampires. Last edited by Cosmonautical; 07-10-2010 at 11:48 AM.*

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07-09-2010, 09:24 PM	#2
Speed Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,747 Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Published Fanfiction, pretty much sums it up.

07-09-2010, 09:27 PM	#3
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	The thing that bothers me the most is how much of an epitome it is of badly-written Mary Sue Livejournal fantasies written by 12-year-old girls, and how much money it's making despite that.

07-09-2010, 09:41 PM	#4
Marchie Pokeman Master since 1999 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Wiscaaaaaaaaaaansin/Michigan Gender: Posts: 16,647 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 680 Times in 477 Posts	^^^No need to worry about fangirls here. Everyone here is rational...almost.

07-09-2010, 10:51 PM	#5
Inferno Dragon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Planet Draco Gender: Posts: 6,038 Thanks: 67 Thanked 36 Times in 29 Posts	thankfully.

07-09-2010, 11:56 PM	#6
MeowMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Las Pegasus Gender: Posts: 6,606 Thanks: 849 Thanked 208 Times in 132 Posts Blog Entries: 46	Very, very, very, very, very highly agreed. Everyone acts like Twilight and everything related to it is so awesome. Even McDonald's at one point. And Burger King right now. When, really, it's a pile of crap.

07-10-2010, 11:02 AM	#8
Maximum Spider Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I'll take Street Fighter over Dragonball any day. Gender: Posts: 2,549 Thanks: 0 Thanked 191 Times in 126 Posts	I think the stupidest part of it all is that nearly all the online game ads you see on the internet involve werewolves and vampires. I mean, seriously? Has the popularity of those things risen just because of some stupid series that features those as the main characters?

07-10-2010, 12:08 PM	#10
Glux Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home Gender: Posts: 7,122 Thanks: 647 Thanked 360 Times in 236 Posts Blog Entries: 3	The books not all THAT bad. I mean, little girls will read it because of the fairies! ... What? ... What do you mean those are supposed to be vampires? ... You're **ting me... ... Oh, you , Stephanie Meyers, ** you.

07-10-2010, 01:58 PM	#11
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07-10-2010, 03:10 PM	#13
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07-10-2010, 04:27 PM	#14
Metal Man Fairy-Slaying Maniac Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 1592 Miles Away From Here Gender: Posts: 18,062 Thanks: 148 Thanked 683 Times in 482 Posts	OMG GAIZ HOW DARE YOU HAET ON MAI FAVORIT BOOK ARGHHHHHHH ... Seriously, these books are silly. Hasn't any of their readers heard of the Wheel of Time? Or any one of the millions of other great books that coincidentally have vampire-like beings in them somewhere, and those beings happen to actually be threatening? Alternatively, there's plenty of mushy romance novels out there, if they must snoo snoo with vampires.

07-10-2010, 05:03 PM	#15
VG_Addict Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the Vicinity Gender: Posts: 3,973 Thanks: 36 Thanked 227 Times in 194 Posts Blog Entries: 2	But seriously, we should do to all the Twilight books what we did to Atari E.T.

07-10-2010, 06:42 PM	#16
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	How Twilight Works - The Oatmeal This was pretty funny.

07-10-2010, 11:43 PM	#17
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	Still definitely not the worst books I've ever read. In fact, not even close to the worst. If any of you want to read them before acquiring an opinion, then I could have a reasonable discussion with someone for a change. Regardless. It's all about the inappropriate labeling from everyone and their mother. Twilight is absolutely, 100% a romance story. Paranormal romance isn't new, but marketing it towards a younger audience is. Romance was a genre that was dominated by adult stories, focusing entirely on adult scenarios (like work and ***, not OH HO ADULT SEX LOL). To re-brand the genre for the younger crowd, you had an untapped fanbase waiting for someone to cater towards them. Romance is worked into most other teen lit (or other teen media), but until recently, hasn't been a constant focus. And don't even start about how "broken" the relationship is. Edward is a vampire. Bella's ultimate goal is to become a vampire. If you can't fathom the significance of this, we really can't progress beyond here. As for the vampirisms, I've always vaguely wondered if the loudest complainers are actually aware of the history of the legends. Yes, sparkling was pretty much one of the worst possible descriptions I could imagine for why they must avoid the light. However, I can understand what Meyer was going for; sparkling* wasn't right on the mark (a simple pearlescence would have been much more appropriate, considering their skin tone). Melting/dying in sunlight wasn't part of traditional vampire legend until the film Nosferatu, which entirely made it up. But now, that is part of the standard "qualities" of vampires today. My point here being that fictionalising characteristics of fictional creatures has been done throughout history, and while we can all agree Meyer went down the failroad of sparkling, she hasn't somehow desecrated vampires by making changes of her own. "Fanfiction" applies to every story made today. It's all been done, children. Get over it. Pixar haven't made anything that is original and unique, but that doesn't stop the masses fawning over their films. Twilight is part of "high fantasy". It's accessible. Completely accessible. People romaticise love, dangerous situations, and having exciting lives all the time. Then the average level of reading comprehension is grade 9. These books are the ultimate "anyone can read it". Therein lies their success. And guess what? They weren't written for you. You are not the target audience. You're not expected to like it, just like you're not expected to like Sesame Street, or lawn bowls and bingo. Once you've squared with that, you can approach these forms of entertainment with a much more ambivalent attitude, because you can accept that they aren't designed to appeal to you. It's for someone else.

07-10-2010, 11:45 PM	#18
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	but it suuuuuuuuuuucks

07-10-2010, 11:51 PM	#19
*Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds* Admin "mine.. not yours. NO. MINE." Epic Ladynerd Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Forteresse de Valois Gender: Posts: 28,504 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,820 Times in 1,042 Posts	so does half of everything the members here love i dont see the difference