People who can't appreciate Janis Joplin's voice

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 09:52 PM

You know, not every voice has to sound silky smooth like the bull**** singers out today.

Clarification: This is a thread about close-minded writing off of something without giving it a chance.

Dizzy · 07-25-2010, 09:54 PM

Me & Bobby McGee is now stuck in my head.

But, yeah, thread.

**Valigarmander** · 07-25-2010, 10:02 PM

Panfan · 07-25-2010, 10:07 PM

Agreed, it could be Joanna Newsom level.

Click to view video.

for those who don't know who Joanna Newsom is.

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 10:08 PM

Joanna Newsom is amazing.

Also, Patti Smith.

And Satomi from Deerhoof.

Panfan · 07-25-2010, 10:11 PM

No argument about Joanna Newsom being amazing. But I definitely understand how people can say they can't listen to her music because of the voice.

Ys took forever to grow on me.

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 10:16 PM

The problem is that people get so used to one thing that when something different comes along they're like "DDDRRRRRP THAT'S DIFFARINT I DONT LIEK IT!!!NEEEEERRRRR."

**Deku Trii** · 07-25-2010, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby Lava

"DDDRRRRRP THAT'S DIFFARINT I DONT LIEK IT!!!NEEEEERRRRR."

That's what she said.

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 10:28 PM

That makes no sense.

Also, check out the release and recording date on Horses: Patti Smith is magic!

Glux · 07-25-2010, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby Lava

the bull**** singers out today.

Yup.

Dizzy · 07-25-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby Lava

That makes no sense.

That's what she said.

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 10:31 PM

HAY GUYZ I WATCH THE OFFICE 2.

**Deku Trii** · 07-25-2010, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby Lava

That makes no sense.

It did, actually.

Robotazy · 07-25-2010, 10:33 PM

THIS IS HOW YOU REMIND ME

Bomby · 07-25-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Deku Trii

It did, actually.

I'm not quite following.

This topic really isn't about music or even art really so much as it is about close-mindedness in general. I feel like I had about 1000 different situations today where someone was like "that's different, therefore I refuse to try to understand it."

**Deku Trii** · 07-25-2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bomby Lava

I'm not quite following.

It's like the reaction one might get if they got experimental in bed unexpectedly, and "she" was unreceptive.

I've never really liked listening to Joplin. I'm digging the Joanna Newsom video in this topic, though.

Bomby · 07-26-2010, 12:42 AM

I guess I figured it was something like that.

Clarifying what I meant by the original topic: I can respect not liking Janis Joplin or Patti Smith or Joanna Newsom, for example. For someone to write it off as being objectively bad simply because the style is not what they're used to is just close-minded and bothers me. But it's all subjective... to a certain point. I got a bit carried away with being irked when I originally posted the topic.

***Cosmonautical*** · 07-26-2010, 01:29 AM

I don't necessarily agree. Style is the best reason not to like something.

For instance, while I can respect the decision to stylize the models of World of Warcraft, I do not like the stylistic decisions in respect to a subscription model game. I do not want to pay for a game repeatedly for a limited set of stylized options. I would rather import my own models and play in my own stylized fashion as I used to back during the heydays of Quake 3. Hence, I feel the style is inappropriate for the market. The gameplay is a limiting enough set, basically a very sparse version of the Ultima Online featureset, or like a pumped up Diablo - let me do it in my own style and I can forgive those shortcomings.

Or, alternatively, consider the action-movie shakycam. Stylistically, I think it's good for close cuts and realism from the perspective of the actor. It worked perfectly in Cloverfield. I think it's an inappropriate choice in the Bourne series, though. The first movie was much more enjoyable when the camera was intentionally smooth, the combat was impressive yet realistic and that was something you could see. Shakycam takes away from all the impressive angles and draws attention to the camera, which breaks up suspension of disbelief by making the audience aware of the camera technique.

Bomby · 07-26-2010, 01:45 AM

I actually quite agree with your examples, though for the most part I really do detest shaky-cam in action sequences, but I have seen neither Cloverfield nor the Bourne series to comment.

The style needs to be appropriate for what it's doing. I think, generally, most styles can be pulled off well, so long as it's used in the correct situation. Like in my example, Janis Joplin's super raspy voice is perfectly appropriate for the music she's making.

My problem is when people are so used to things being one way - i.e., singing always being completely slick and smooth - that when they encounter something that isn't the status quo, they don't give it a chance. It's one thing to give something a chance and say, "well, I didn't like it because of such and such reason," but it's another thing completely to be like, "SINGIN HAZ 2 B SMOOVE, NERP."

***CaptHayfever*** · 07-26-2010, 03:52 AM

Janis had a blues voice, which is good, 'cause she sang the blues.

And remember, "I-a asked her for some happy news, but she just smiled & turned away."

07-25-2010, 09:52 PM	#1
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07-26-2010, 12:42 AM	#17
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I guess I figured it was something like that. Clarifying what I meant by the original topic: I can respect not liking Janis Joplin or Patti Smith or Joanna Newsom, for example. For someone to write it off as being objectively bad simply because the style is not what they're used to is just close-minded and bothers me. But it's all subjective... to a certain point. I got a bit carried away with being irked when I originally posted the topic. Last edited by Bomby; 07-26-2010 at 12:49 AM.

07-26-2010, 01:29 AM	#18
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	I don't necessarily agree. Style is the best reason not to like something. For instance, while I can respect the decision to stylize the models of World of Warcraft, I do not like the stylistic decisions in respect to a subscription model game. I do not want to pay for a game repeatedly for a limited set of stylized options. I would rather import my own models and play in my own stylized fashion as I used to back during the heydays of Quake 3. Hence, I feel the style is inappropriate for the market. The gameplay is a limiting enough set, basically a very sparse version of the Ultima Online featureset, or like a pumped up Diablo - let me do it in my own style and I can forgive those shortcomings. Or, alternatively, consider the action-movie shakycam. Stylistically, I think it's good for close cuts and realism from the perspective of the actor. It worked perfectly in Cloverfield. I think it's an inappropriate choice in the Bourne series, though. The first movie was much more enjoyable when the camera was intentionally smooth, the combat was impressive yet realistic and that was something you could see. Shakycam takes away from all the impressive angles and draws attention to the camera, which breaks up suspension of disbelief by making the audience aware of the camera technique. Last edited by Cosmonautical; 07-26-2010 at 01:38 AM.

07-25-2010, 09:54 PM	#2
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	Me & Bobby McGee is now stuck in my head. But, yeah, thread.

07-25-2010, 10:08 PM	#5
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Joanna Newsom is amazing. Also, Patti Smith. And Satomi from Deerhoof.

07-25-2010, 10:11 PM	#6
Panfan AND HE PRAYS Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grayskull Gender: Posts: 18,806 Thanks: 1,405 Thanked 2,251 Times in 1,339 Posts Blog Entries: 15	No argument about Joanna Newsom being amazing. But I definitely understand how people can say they can't listen to her music because of the voice. Ys took forever to grow on me.

07-25-2010, 10:16 PM	#7
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	The problem is that people get so used to one thing that when something different comes along they're like "DDDRRRRRP THAT'S DIFFARINT I DONT LIEK IT!!!NEEEEERRRRR."

07-25-2010, 10:28 PM	#9
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	That makes no sense. Also, check out the release and recording date on Horses: Patti Smith is magic!

07-25-2010, 10:31 PM	#12
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	HAY GUYZ I WATCH THE OFFICE 2.

07-26-2010, 01:45 AM	#19
Bomby You just freaking blew Joe Biden's mind! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: WHAT?house Gender: Posts: 19,491 Thanks: 513 Thanked 1,449 Times in 849 Posts Blog Entries: 5	I actually quite agree with your examples, though for the most part I really do detest shaky-cam in action sequences, but I have seen neither Cloverfield nor the Bourne series to comment. The style needs to be appropriate for what it's doing. I think, generally, most styles can be pulled off well, so long as it's used in the correct situation. Like in my example, Janis Joplin's super raspy voice is perfectly appropriate for the music she's making. My problem is when people are so used to things being one way - i.e., singing always being completely slick and smooth - that when they encounter something that isn't the status quo, they don't give it a chance. It's one thing to give something a chance and say, "well, I didn't like it because of such and such reason," but it's another thing completely to be like, "SINGIN HAZ 2 B SMOOVE, NERP."

07-26-2010, 03:52 AM	#20
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	Janis had a blues voice, which is good, 'cause she sang the blues. And remember, "I-a asked her for some happy news, but she just smiled & turned away."