Dumb****s who compare Homosexuality to Pedophilia or Bestiality.

Speed · 08-17-2010, 10:11 PM

Seriously, nothing makes me want to punch someone in the face more then this.

I've run into several of these type of people and it severely pisses me off.

Apologies to all the furries I just pissed off.

ZeldaGirl · 08-17-2010, 10:18 PM

I've edited the title, because it's not fair to group all people who may relate to being 'conservative' into this one category.

But in general, I quite agree with this sentiment.

Dizzy · 08-17-2010, 10:20 PM

Apology accepted.

And aside from religious reasons, there's nothing really wrong with homosexuality on the social level. Thus, it seems though their intent is, at it's heart, good, it's not beneficial for anyone.

**S1x** · 08-17-2010, 10:40 PM

Click to view video.

The Spark · 08-17-2010, 10:54 PM

Many times people say these things because they're insecure about themselves. A large portion of these people are homosexual themselves, but think that they'll feel better about it if they make fun of people that are open about it. It's kind of along the lines of bullies who inflict pain on others to make them feel better about the pain that they themselves feel. Don't be angry with these people, pity them for their insecurities.

Dizzy · 08-17-2010, 10:59 PM

And also, be angry at them.

The society we live in today was based on people being angry at people.

The Spark · 08-17-2010, 11:00 PM

Sure.

Vgfian · 08-17-2010, 11:28 PM

@ Spark:

lol this literally sounds like you either copy/pasted something or memorized something word for word just to post it here.

Quote:

Many times people say these things because they're insecure about themselves. A large portion of these people are homosexual themselves, but think that they'll feel better about it if they make fun of people that are open about it. It's kind of along the lines of bullies who inflict pain on others to make them feel better about the pain that they themselves feel. Don't be angry with these people, pity them for their insecurities.

I would like to see the proof of this. Otherwise I'm just going to assume that you're just spouting absolute bullcrap. I mean, after all, there must be some way to prove that this is true of most people who dislike homosexuals. Can you read these people's minds? Do you have physical proof of these claims? Can you tell us the names of at least 100 people that this is 100% absolutely, completely, and definitively proven true for? Even if you could (which I doubt you can), it doesn't mean that all or even most of the people who dislike homosexuality are either secretly homosexual or just plain insecure, and to state it as if it's an undoubtable fact (as you did) is undescribably ludicrous.

---

On topic, I don't think it makes you a, "dumb****," to compare one form of sexual interest to another. Seriously, it takes an idiot to assume that comparing two forms of sexual interest to each other in any way is wrong.

It's almost as idiotic as assuming that all Conservatives are gun-totin' morons, or that anyone who speaks with a Southern accent automatically has 100 IQ points less than you (or any number less at all) just because they have a southern accent.

Now if you mean saying that homosexuality is just as bad as bestiality or pedophilia, I should point out my past posts about how getting angry because someone has an opinion different from your own is completely useless, but I'm just going to leave it at this.

*Vgfian leaves useless topic hopefully for good*

Dizzy · 08-17-2010, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vgfian

On topic, I don't think it makes you a, "dumb****," to compare one form of sexual interest to another. Seriously, it takes an idiot to assume that comparing two forms of sexual interest to each other in any way is wrong.

I don't think they were used to describe the sexuality, only the act thereof.

But I'm probably reading too far between the lines.

Robotazy · 08-17-2010, 11:44 PM

You know Guild, you can only take that "you shouldn't be angry at people's opinion" so far. I

That being said, it is frustrating to hear people compare something that hurts practically no one to something that could harm a young child. It's like if I said that dropping a jar of pickles is like dropping a baby. I can throw similarities at you all day, and they both aren't exactly looked upon as good, but it's rather silly to think of both as the same.

Besides these people do suck, so Speed is right about it. It's not like this is the forum about what to change or anything.

:I

Dizzy · 08-17-2010, 11:46 PM

Tazy wins.

Good night, everybody, and thanks for coming.

Vgfian · 08-17-2010, 11:56 PM

Sorry Tazy, but I never said anything about getting angry at actions and neither did I say that disliking an opinion is useless. An opinion won't hurt anyone. Actions can and will hurt people. It's completely useful IMO to get angry about certain actions. Mostly I think I should rephrase it.

Getting POed at someone having an oposing opinion to yours or at an oposing opinion it's self is useless. If you don't like it then do something about it, don't just complain or get bitter about it. Getting pissed because of an opinion doesn't help anyone. If you think their opinion is wrong, then try to change their mind. Don't get pissed that someone has an opinion about something that doesn't fall into your idea of a perfect world. To do so is childish.

However, I think if something along the lines of pedophilia (the action) occurs, people should get angry.

The Spark · 08-17-2010, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vgfian

lol this literally sounds like you either copy/pasted something or memorized something word for word just to post it here.

Neither of those things, actually, I just watched many tv shows and movies that are related to the subject. Just because I have something to say that you don't agree with doesn't mean I copied it word for word.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vgfian

I would like to see the proof of this. Otherwise I'm just going to assume that you're just spouting absolute bullcrap. I mean, after all, there must be some way to prove that this is true of most people who dislike homosexuals. Can you read these people's minds? Do you have physical proof of these claims? Can you tell us the names of at least 100 people that this is 100% absolutely, completely, and definitively proven true for? Even if you could (which I doubt you can), it doesn't mean that all or even most of the people who dislike homosexuality are either secretly homosexual or just plain insecure, and to state it as if it's an undoubtable fact (as you did) is undescribably ludicrous.

I didn't state it as an obvious fact, I stated it as a possibility. It may have sounded that way to you, but that doesn't mean that's how I meant to convey it. It is true that the type of thing that I suggested occurs now and again, especially politically. This is shown in many movies and educational television shows, and one that I happened to watch recently was Religulous, I believe, where the documentary had a whole segment just on people who think that homosexuality is wrong, and their reasons for think that. It was either Religulous or a show, I can't quite remember..

Why is it that whenever I have something to express that could be in the least bit debatable, you choose to make it into a big, drawn out, unnecessary argument, and then say that you won't be returning to the thread, only to continue to time and again in an attempt to be right about something that you hardly know anything about, which ends in many people being mad for ridiculous reasons? It's starting to get old, I must say, and you're beginning to look a bit trollish as well. You should probably get that checked out.

**Loot** · 08-18-2010, 12:00 AM

Dizzy · 08-18-2010, 12:13 AM

On topic: What possible reason would these people have to believe such malarky? Pedophilia and bestiality are usually defined as rape acts. Homosexuality is not rape. Is it a reproductive issue? Because how is homosexual sex any worse than straight couples who use birth control?

Once again, probably reading too far between the lines here. That will come back to bite me in the butt real soon.

Robotazy · 08-18-2010, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vgfian

Sorry Tazy, but I never said anything about getting angry at actions and neither did I say that disliking an opinion is useless. An opinion won't hurt anyone. Actions can and will hurt people. It's completely useful IMO to get angry about certain actions. Mostly I think I should rephrase it.

Quote:

Now if you mean saying that homosexuality is just as bad as bestiality or pedophilia, I should point out my past posts about how getting angry because someone has an opinion different from your own is completely useless, but I'm just going to leave it at this.

:Crazy:

Telling someone not to get angry about actions is useless as well. People get angry. It happens.

An Opinion is something that can be discussed, especially if you disagree with it, and if it's something completly nonsensical and offensive towards others, then you can be angry. It shouldn't become violent, but you can become angry.

Quote:

Getting POed at someone having an oposing opinion to yours or at an oposing opinion it's self is useless. If you don't like it then do something about it, don't just complain or get bitter about it.

I'm assuming Speed tried to say something to them, or didn't know them, or it was something he couldn't approach them on.

Quote:

Getting pissed because of an opinion doesn't help anyone. If you think their opinion is wrong, then try to change their mind. Don't get pissed that someone has an opinion about something that doesn't fall into your idea of a perfect world. To do so is childish.

This is a forum. If we never spoke about what pisses us off this forum would have no use.

So, are you calling everyone who made a topic here childish? It'll only take a half hour to find which topics are about opinions and show you who you're calling childish, you know.

Quote:

However, I think if something along the lines of pedophilia (the action) occurs, people should get angry.

I don't think this topic has anything to do with pedophilia other than comparisons to homosexuality.

***CaptHayfever*** · 08-18-2010, 12:24 AM

^^Slight correction: Pedophilia is a mental condition. Child molestation is a rape act.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

***Cosmonautical*** · 08-18-2010, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Tazy Ten

You know Guild, you can only take that "you shouldn't be angry at people's opinion" so far.

Actually, he can't take it anywhere. There's no universal reason why being pissed off is bad. Might not be good for your health, but that's your choice, anyway. Besides, that's another opinion. If I'm in the business of getting grouchy over opinions, well that's not some way to reach me, now is it?

And what is calling something childish, beside a childish impulse in itself? That's another opinion of behavior. It's almost starting to sound like you actually dislike something, Guild. If you didn't, why would you bother saying so? People should stop caring about things, I suppose?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Spark

Neither of those things, actually, I just watched many tv shows and movies that are related to the subject. Just because I have something to say that you don't agree with doesn't mean I copied it word for word.

That's a terrible source. Those are just things that people thought to portray, to pander to a mainstream viewpoint. You have to keep in mind that every single thing you witness on television, in film, or experience in any other media - especially in character portrayals - has the potential to be 200% bull****. Fictional media is fiction - that means it has to be contrived - it is always made up. Because of the nature of the medium, every action in a piece of fiction is intentional on behalf of the author, to move a plot.

Your own experience is even subject to this, in a way, because people do and say things to achieve an effect they think they will accomplish. Quite the opposite of being understandable, these people are also ruled by the perceptions of others.

I know you've experienced a feeling before - it's one I've had often - it's best described as a feeling that a person is almost entirely a construction of their own warped ideas in regard to their culture? Honestly, the human mind is capable of creating infinitely false scenarios of understanding. Its why truly insane people can be delusional. A good majority of the people I meet on any given day practice delusion, they just have not ceased to recognize the facets of reality that are not characterizable.

Still, people characterize independent and random forces all the time. Something happening due to circumstance is an ACT OF GOD or a FORCE OF NATURE. It's how our language is structured. The root of the language is in the history of evolution - it occurred as a means of communicating ideas between humans. Unfortunately, everything else was based on the same rudimentary structure.

The Spark · 08-18-2010, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHARIOTS OF IRON

That's a terrible source. Those are just things that people thought to portray, to pander to a mainstream viewpoint. You have to keep in mind that every single thing you witness on television, in film, or experience in any other media - especially in character portrayals - has the potential to be 200% bull****. Fictional media is fiction - that means it has to be contrived - it is always made up. Because of the nature of the medium, every action in a piece of fiction is intentional on behalf of the author, to move a plot.

I know, I felt bad about that even as I was typing it. I just figured that if it was widely expressed through a few (at least) different media aspects, it has to be at least somewhat true. Plus, it almost, almost could maybe create some sort of sense when compared with the vastly known rule of bullies, and the reasons for their actions. I'm sure that at least some homo-phobics, as well as the people that Speed specifically suggested had to have their opinion swayed by their own insecurities. Everybody has their reason for believing something, and it can be in any shape or form. Thus, although "many times" was an overstatement, my views were still partially accurate. I understand where you're coming from completely, though. I'll try to think twice about things the next time I think something on television is accurate, no matter what it's suggesting.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 08-18-2010, 03:34 AM

Hey, I see classifications being thrown around.

Homosexuality was considered a mental illness at one point, like pedophilia until the gays marched it away. Of course, everyone can fall back on children being victims, right? Homosexuality has no victim does it?

Children cannot conesent to sexual acts because they aren't capable of making the decision for themselves. Thank God that we hide behind such an absolutist notion, because pedophilia is disgusting and highly immoral. But to truly believe that no children could make a decision of such magnitude is blissful ignorance.

Children can have wisdom beyond their years. Sometimes due to harsher circumstances and living conditins, they display accelerated ammounts of life experience and maturity. Certain gifted children may also have rather amazing levels of intelligence.

You don't think that a child with those characteristics could make a decision to conesent to the disturbing whims of an adult? I think that it is possible. Cases need to be properly and fairly evaluated by professionals on a case by case basis. This isn't to say I don't think the adult shouldn't be shot in an alley, which I do.

This isn't going to be popular opinion, and I know one jackass is gonna make this post into a pretzel, but if you approach the idea from an unbiased and logical standpoint, theoretically, there are possible instances in which pedophilia does not have a victim.

At that point, homosexuality and pedophilia are on the same level, and dunno 'bout you guys but I find them reprehensible.

08-17-2010, 10:11 PM	#1
Speed Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,747 Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Dumbs who compare Homosexuality to Pedophilia or Bestiality. Seriously, nothing makes me want to punch someone in the face more then this. I've run into several of these type of people and it severely pisses me off. Apologies to all the furries I just pissed off.

08-17-2010, 10:18 PM	#2
ZeldaGirl Awesome member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Why do YOU want to know...? Gender: Posts: 15,896 Thanks: 1,130 Thanked 1,919 Times in 1,046 Posts	I've edited the title, because it's not fair to group all people who may relate to being 'conservative' into this one category. But in general, I quite agree with this sentiment.

08-17-2010, 10:20 PM	#3
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	Apology accepted. And aside from religious reasons, there's nothing really wrong with homosexuality on the social level. Thus, it seems though their intent is, at it's heart, good, it's not beneficial for anyone.

08-17-2010, 10:54 PM	#5
The Spark Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: At the bottom of the shipping address list Gender: Posts: 1,743 Thanks: 156 Thanked 74 Times in 54 Posts	Many times people say these things because they're insecure about themselves. A large portion of these people are homosexual themselves, but think that they'll feel better about it if they make fun of people that are open about it. It's kind of along the lines of bullies who inflict pain on others to make them feel better about the pain that they themselves feel. Don't be angry with these people, pity them for their insecurities.

08-17-2010, 10:59 PM	#6
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	And also, be angry at them. The society we live in today was based on people being angry at people.

08-17-2010, 11:00 PM	#7
The Spark Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: At the bottom of the shipping address list Gender: Posts: 1,743 Thanks: 156 Thanked 74 Times in 54 Posts	Sure.

08-17-2010, 11:44 PM	#10
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	You know Guild, you can only take that "you shouldn't be angry at people's opinion" so far. I That being said, it is frustrating to hear people compare something that hurts practically no one to something that could harm a young child. It's like if I said that dropping a jar of pickles is like dropping a baby. I can throw similarities at you all day, and they both aren't exactly looked upon as good, but it's rather silly to think of both as the same. Besides these people do suck, so Speed is right about it. It's not like this is the forum about what to change or anything. :I

08-17-2010, 11:46 PM	#11
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	Tazy wins. Good night, everybody, and thanks for coming.

08-17-2010, 11:56 PM	#12
Vgfian Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Listening to Seeking 7 Seven and giving out free hugs. :) Gender: Posts: 6,862 Thanks: 2,433 Thanked 398 Times in 311 Posts	Sorry Tazy, but I never said anything about getting angry at actions and neither did I say that disliking an opinion is useless. An opinion won't hurt anyone. Actions can and will hurt people. It's completely useful IMO to get angry about certain actions. Mostly I think I should rephrase it. Getting POed at someone having an oposing opinion to yours or at an oposing opinion it's self is useless. If you don't like it then do something about it, don't just complain or get bitter about it. Getting pissed because of an opinion doesn't help anyone. If you think their opinion is wrong, then try to change their mind. Don't get pissed that someone has an opinion about something that doesn't fall into your idea of a perfect world. To do so is childish. However, I think if something along the lines of pedophilia (the action) occurs, people should get angry.

08-18-2010, 12:00 AM	#14
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts

08-18-2010, 12:13 AM	#15
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	On topic: What possible reason would these people have to believe such malarky? Pedophilia and bestiality are usually defined as rape acts. Homosexuality is not rape. Is it a reproductive issue? Because how is homosexual sex any worse than straight couples who use birth control? Once again, probably reading too far between the lines here. That will come back to bite me in the butt real soon.

08-18-2010, 12:24 AM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^^Slight correction: Pedophilia is a mental condition. Child molestation is a rape act. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

08-18-2010, 03:34 AM	#20
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Hey, I see classifications being thrown around. Homosexuality was considered a mental illness at one point, like pedophilia until the gays marched it away. Of course, everyone can fall back on children being victims, right? Homosexuality has no victim does it? Children cannot conesent to sexual acts because they aren't capable of making the decision for themselves. Thank God that we hide behind such an absolutist notion, because pedophilia is disgusting and highly immoral. But to truly believe that no children could make a decision of such magnitude is blissful ignorance. Children can have wisdom beyond their years. Sometimes due to harsher circumstances and living conditins, they display accelerated ammounts of life experience and maturity. Certain gifted children may also have rather amazing levels of intelligence. You don't think that a child with those characteristics could make a decision to conesent to the disturbing whims of an adult? I think that it is possible. Cases need to be properly and fairly evaluated by professionals on a case by case basis. This isn't to say I don't think the adult shouldn't be shot in an alley, which I do. This isn't going to be popular opinion, and I know one jackass is gonna make this post into a pretzel, but if you approach the idea from an unbiased and logical standpoint, theoretically, there are possible instances in which pedophilia does not have a victim. At that point, homosexuality and pedophilia are on the same level, and dunno 'bout you guys but I find them reprehensible.