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| Spirit, they're gone! Spirit, they've vanished! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Badger State Gender: Posts: 19,187 Thanks: 482 Thanked 1,384 Times in 812 Posts Blog Entries: 5 | Television is considered a "medium." This is due to the fact that it is neither rare nor is it well done. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,013 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts | Clever. Except somebody beat you to the pun, but with the opposite intent: Quote:
Originally written in Spring 2007. An earlier draft appears in my "Essays" thread in the Art/Lit/Writing forum. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" | |
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| Spirit, they're gone! Spirit, they've vanished! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Badger State Gender: Posts: 19,187 Thanks: 482 Thanked 1,384 Times in 812 Posts Blog Entries: 5 | Actually, I first heard the pun in a documentary from the early 1990's that we watched in my intro to mass media class. So you were also beaten to the punch. And I strongly, strongly, strongly disagree with your dismissal of film as being "prerecorded theatre." In fact, I'm a bit offended by the notion. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,013 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts | Who said it was a dismissal? Recheck the last paragraph; the equivalancy means that all 3 are art. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" Last edited by CaptHayfever; 08-14-2008 at 12:39 AM. |
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| Spirit, they're gone! Spirit, they've vanished! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Badger State Gender: Posts: 19,187 Thanks: 482 Thanked 1,384 Times in 812 Posts Blog Entries: 5 | But by claiming that film is simply "prerecorded theatre," you're leaving out the entire photographic aspect of it. Perhaps from an actor's point of view it is, but the creators of film, those of us behind the camera, know that film and theatre are two very separate art forms. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,013 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts | True, yet both are governed by the same guiding principles. I'm no strict classicist like Aristotle was, but he had it right about the 6 elements of drama: Plot, Character, Theme, Speech, Spectacle, Song. As far as I've discerned, working on both sides of both curtain & camera, the only important difference between stage & screen is how Spectacle is (or can be) approached. In other words, the physical constraints of live performance vs. the technological constraints of photography. And you still recognize that both are (or can be) valid art forms, so now I'm going to revert back to my point: Why isn't television? And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
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| Spirit, they're gone! Spirit, they've vanished! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Badger State Gender: Posts: 19,187 Thanks: 482 Thanked 1,384 Times in 812 Posts Blog Entries: 5 | My problem with your stance on cinema is that you're making the assumption that cinema = narrative film. You're forgetting documentary, art film, experimental film, surrealist film, etc. Film began not as a continuation of theatre, but as photography attempting to capture motion. Early films made by Edison and the Lumiere brothers were not narrative at all, and instead attempted to capture mundane everyday events. It wasn't until Edwin S. Porter's Life of an American Fireman in 1903 that narrative film was introduced. While popular cinema is almost entirely narrative nowadays, try making a film like Wong Kar Wai's In the Mood for Love or Jacques Tati's Play Time into a stage production. Many directors who are concerned with the art of film itself, and not surface aspect like story and stars, employ a technique known as Parametric Narration, in which the narrative serves the style, rather than vice versa. My purpose of this topic wasn't to say that television isn't art. It's basically the same as cinema, except with the constant interruption of commercials and it's almost always in serial format. My purpose of this topic was to comment on how very few television programs are well done. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,013 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts | And you're making the assumption that theatre = narrative plays, forgetting experimental theatre, surrealist theatre, etc, concepts which, coincidentally, had their big "ism" movements simultaneously with their cinematic (as well as their visual & literary) counterparts. The Surrealist manifesto included everything except music, which was only excluded because Andre Breton was a twit who didn't realize jazz was perfectly satisfying his edicts on automatism & he didn't live to see psychedelia. ...I'm actually not too keen on manifestos in general. A mundane, everyday event is still Plot. Even intentionally avoiding a lowercase plot is uppercase Plot; I know that one from firsthand experience as a playwright. Speaking of narrative (that is, Plot/Character/Theme) serving style (that is, Speech/Spectacle/Song): What did you think of Across the Universe? I liked it. Taymor's been doing that her whole career. Of course, she studied basically every form of theatre in this history of South, East, & Southeast Asia, where narrative-serving-style is a millenia-old idea. The way you phrase that, it sounds like you have an issue with the very concept of a serial. Anyways, the reason I reacted like that in the first place was that the phrasing in the first post appeared to state that NO television shows are well-done. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
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| Spirit, they're gone! Spirit, they've vanished! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Badger State Gender: Posts: 19,187 Thanks: 482 Thanked 1,384 Times in 812 Posts Blog Entries: 5 | I guess the way you put that works quite well. I'm not very keen on theatre, and I made the very mistake that I accused you of making. In that respect, I have gained a greater respect for your argument. I still haven't gotten around to seeing Across the Universe, but I have a week left of free rentals at work, and at the rate I've been watching movies lately, I should get around to seeing it quite soon. |
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| Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,013 Thanks: 1,787 Thanked 2,371 Times in 1,423 Posts | And I hope I didn't misrepresent myself too badly; my intent all along was not to degrade film, but rather to deflate the egos of "television is furniture" & "theatre is life" people. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!" |
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