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[Saria Dragon of the Rain Wilds]

Venting forum. You want serious? Okay, here. Have some serious.

The initial problem is that ZG moved AI's topic without consulting him. While this isn't necessary, it would have been the considerate thing to do. A quick PM, asking why his topic was in the Venting forum, that she didn't feel it appropriate, and she'd like it moved. Or perhaps, she could've classed it as spam, asked AI not to post topics like that in her forum, and simply locked it. They are both supermoderators; a totally different outcome wouldn't have been difficult to achieve.

I always feel that a senior member is going to have some reason they made a topic in a particular forum. It's certainly the moderator's perogative specifically on how they deal with it (if deemed innapropriate), but if the leaders of the forum showed some more consideration for other's actions, perhaps there wouldn't be such outbursts.

Not only that, but it was moved to the wrong forum. Like it or not, a single topic made in jest about the fact a word rhymes with "burger" does NOT constitute a meme. I personally dislike the meme forum, because it seems to be considered the dumping ground for the moderators: anything they find distasteful for their own forum, off to the meme it goes. This is a ridiculous notion, and if anyone actually spent some time thinking about what a meme is supposed to be, they might realise they're only misclassifying the topic yet again.

Following all this, now anyone who might have a disorder will stick their hand up and say, "well yeah, I was offended". Of course, no one can quite bring themselves to explain HOW they draw offence from a word. A word that was not aimed at any person, or even in direct mocking of the disorder called Aspergers. There's a difference between a condition and just its name. The best answer so far has been that it was in a designated "serious" forum. As far as I'm concerned, no forum is serious, unless you insist on making it serious.

Aside from that, the venting forum now contains "happy vents". So, what you MEAN to say is, you only consider the venting forum appropriate for topics relating to actual events in your life that you want to share? In which case, it just sounds like everyone wants their feelings hurt over nothing, and are all trying to come up with an excuse that's better than, "I didn't like it ".

Oh, and as for those comment about how people are offended and so AI's wrong; complaining the topic is in the wrong forum and it would've been perfectly fine if it were in one of those ****ty other joking forums, or politely saying, "man, I don't think the subject of this topic is appropriate (optional: for this forum)" are two different things. Extending to the fact that no one said anything about being offended until after AI and ZG began arguing over it, then it's all a pile of blah and the laughter of the rest of us in between.

I tend to think everything's stupid, and I have an enormous migraine, so my ability to just find it funny has worn to a sad and lonely end. I will be going to bed, before I delete the topics, the forum, your accounts... and to avoid misconceptions, I don't want a cuddlefest. I want you to all realise that life is offensive, when you let it offend you. Jokes you find funny now, about possibly questionable subjects, will probably offend you if you experience a traumatic event in relation to it. Laughing at AIDS now? Wait until someone you care about catches it. Dead babies? Then your family suffers a stillbirth. Bad things are funny to people who recognise the difference between a joke and being spiteful. There are plenty of people who laugh about worse things. Trust me. And I know all this from experience. I have been abused, and I used to be offended by many things. After a while, I realised the only reason I was offended, was because I chose to be. I don't need to clutch at the horrible things I've been through, crying, "but something bad happened, so that's why!". Neither does anyone else. You can let it go.

This, the internet, is the very haven of people laughing at horrible occurances.

"Aburger" is the least of your worries.

[Ace Mercury]

Something dramatic? Happening on the interweb?

[Tazy_10]

IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

[Ace Mercury]

I guess we opened up that can of worms when the Misc forum took over the video game-related forums and general conversation happened. Never again will we have those Halcyon days of arguing whether L is real 2041 or not.

[Dr. Horrible]

I never realized we had to consult anyone before moving their topic. Then again, I'm apparently missing how much of a slap in the face it seems to be every time someone's topic is moved to the Meme forum.

[Swordmaster Link]

I'm ambivalent towards the matter, in a way. While I would never vent anything serious at a place like VGF (only a handful of you know anything meaningful about me), I don't see why such a dramatic and tense debate is brewing over such a minor thing, on both ends. *shrug*

[Everybody Nose]

Great, I vacate for 4 days and I miss things.

[Tazy_10]

You missed alot of things

[Everybody Nose]

but da beach gave me a tanz

[Tazy_10]

daaaaamn straight.

[Wyborn]

Originally Posted by Deku Trii

I never realized we had to consult anyone before moving their topic. Then again, I'm apparently missing how much of a slap in the face it seems to be every time someone's topic is moved to the Meme forum.

Seconded, on both counts.

[Blake]

Sounds like this needs to be moved to the mod forum.

Anyhow, if I did offend DZ with my cheesy comment(in the aburger topic), I do apologize. My real opinions on the matter are in his actual vent.

[Crazyswordsman]

I don't draw offense from any particular word. Hell, the derogative term "Aspie" I have no problem with if it's not used in a condescending way. What I DO draw offense from is people mocking people who are having problems in this world in a place where they can easily see it and take it the wrong way, as I did. -CSM

[S1x]

The other topics seem to be harmlessly fun enough to not be an issue. They could rub some more sensitive people the wrong way, but there's definitely no cruel intentions behind them. Let's let burgers be burgers.

[Everybody Nose]

While I see where the humor is coming from, I don't understand what the fuss is about it being moved. Yeah, meme forum has a bunch of stupid topics so it could be a slap in the face blah blah blah, but certain things go certain places, a joke topic is not a vent, it is a joke. Simple no?

Put it where the other jokes go so we can laugh, if you post a joke/meme/whatever of a sports topic in my forum, I'm going to move it to the meme forum, or somewhere else. So why pester ZG for doing her job?

[S1x]

Well, the move may have been a little hasty. However, to take the other side for a moment, I'm sure there were no negative intentions with that action either.

It may take longer for some people to condition themselves to not get irked about a simple joking around topic, but it's very important in the long run if you don't want to be disturbed constantly. ZG probably had those people in mind. Basically, I don't blame anybody; the true conflict is how people's interpretations of certain things (this forum, the meme forum, the spinoff topics) are different. =/

[Ike]

Personally, I feel that AI was the one in the wrong in this situation. It's not like he picked a random word and wrote a fake vent about it, he specifically chose a word that sounded like Aspergers to put in the vent topic. Whether it was his intention or not, he offended numerous members, including myself. His reaction to having the first topic removed was create yet another equally similar sounding word to put back in the venting forum. I feel that that was immature and said to me that he was blatantly trying to offend someone. To blame ZG for moving something that could be and was taken as offensive is ridiculous.

I really don't think some of you guys understand what Aspergers is like. You may say "Oh, life is offensive. Just laugh at it and go", but you know, not everyone can do that. I think saying something like is flat out ignorant. If everyone could just learn to let things go, you would never see stuff like Columbine or V-Tech or war in general. There are people out there who are more sensitive than others and instead of preaching "let it go" you should try to be more mindful of what you say.

I still don't think there's any justification for AI's actions or his reactions. Taking his joke too far and then accusing people of having no sense of humor is ignorant. I'm sure if you or someone you know struggling with a issue or had a serious problem, you'd take offense to something that mocks it. And just because the internet is the haven that laughs at atrocities doesn't mean VGF has to be. The way you say that SD makes it seem like your promoting that sort of insensitive ****.

[Dr. Horrible]

I'm pretty sure AI meant no real offense by the initial joke, but I can certainly see why making light of Zero's revelation would have been considered potentially offensive enough to prompt ZG to move it to the Meme forum, where the context makes it sound slightly more, "oh, it's another rhyming parody topic about a funny sounding word," and slightly less, "maybe I'm belittling your condition." And it wasn't like she made a big deal of it, she was pretty polite about moving a potentially offensive topic.

However, if, for some reason I'm blind to, moving a topic to the Meme forum was that great an insult, I feel like AI should have contacted ZG through PMs to explain why that was a big deal (because I doubt she understands either). Seemes to me like a better course of action than to mock her judgment by creating a near identical topic in her forum, making another topic about how nobody has a sense of humor, and making a topic about how the way the Meme forum is used makes it a misnomer.

[CaptHayfever]

What I saw: Both sides drastically overreacting about a joke that was rather amusing, but not particularly important.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[Crazyswordsman]

I probably would've laughed at the joke if it was on Uncyclopeida (they have a very funny article called "Assburger's Syndrome"), and they actually had a whole thing about this where some "Anonymous Slashy" was whining about the Asperger pages and that they were offensive. That time, I sided with Uncyc and said that Uncyc has some jokes that are meant to be offensive because the nature of the site is to be funny and sometimes edgy and to be an equal opportunity offender.

But VGF isn't Uncyclopedia. VGF is a discussion forum. And keep in mind there are places where I think even some edgy topics belong. The venting forum isn't one of them, and I think AI chose a word that was intentionally mocking the previous topic, instead of a random word that had nothing to do with it. Everything just fell into place.

This is definitely something that should be taken up in PMs or in a private chat. -CSM