Frat Email Explains Women Are "Targets," Not "Actual People"

[ZeldaGirl]

USC's Kappa Sigma Under Fire For E-mail Calling Women "Targets"

[WARNING - LANGUAGE]

According to an email circulated through the Fraternity Kappa Sigma at USC, women are merely 'targets' of sexual conquest, and 'not real people, like men.'

The email refers to the men as "cocksmen" whose only goal is to find 'targets' (women) from their pie (vagina) and gullet (mouth).

Among the gems of the email includes this little ditty:

Loop n' Doop: A target that is very easy to take down. All she takes is a good amount of liquor (loop) and she will be good to go for you to **** her (doop). Be careful with loop n' doops, because too much loop and they will get sick and be useless entities.

Nevermind that a person who is intoxicated cannot legally consent to having sex. And if you have sex with a person who is intoxicated, and past the point of being able to give true consent, that is rape. Particularly if you personally ensure that the person you are having sex with is intoxicated past the point of being able to legally give consent. Oh, but don't worry, they have that covered too!

Non-consent and rape are two different things. There is a fine line, so make sure not to cross it.

Yup. You heard it here first! Non-consent and rape are two different things. Never mind the fact that if the person you wish to sleep with does not consent, and you sleep with them anyway, THAT IS RAPE.

The full letter, in all of it's glorious misogyny and racism can be read here:

Jezebel: Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for Women. Without Airbrushing.



...I feel ill. And like crying. Seriously, how is it that there are actually people like this who exist??

[Robotazy]

Aaaaaaaaaaand, countdown until the person or people who made this email is/are expelled!


Go!

[ZeldaGirl]

More digging yields more info:

Jezebel: Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for Women. Without Airbrushing.

Apparently, the frat and University knew exactly who sent it. And the frat tried to cover it up.

[Kargath]

Mr. Pink: You kill anybody?
Mr. White: A few cops.
Mr. Pink: No real people?
Mr. White: Just cops.

[Crazyswordsman]

ZG, I really appreciate you posting this. For many years I felt out of place and inferior for not being in a frat in college (and I went to one where if you weren't in a frat you were a second class citizen), but now I have a reason to be proud not to have been in a frat. I wouldn't want to be associated with any buttmunch who wrote something like this. -CSM

[Cosmonautical]

What's shocking to me is how often people act like this sort of thing is unprecedented. It's obviously written to be humorous, misleading as it is obviously going to be(and honestly it's a good precursor to their private thoughts), which you can tell easily enough by the delivery. Just another form of self-centeredness, overall. What I'd consider disturbing is the thought that, unless someone is doing so to a visually identifiable group, their objectification and general lack of empathy aren't as recognisable.

If it weren't about women and non-consensual sex, would so many decry the dehumanization that's typically present when someone classes us into vague groups? Are we all so easy to generalize as colored, nerds, employees, fags, citizens, humans, etc? We don't have a value as individuals unless you can strip our individuality out of us?

[CaptHayfever]

^^CSM, don't fall into the trap of presuming every fraternity is the same. This guy is disgusting for his comments, & his frat is disgusting as well for implicitly condoning his comments by covering for him, but they're just one frat.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[Vapor]

So Kappa Sigma is just a cover for /b/?



...On the more serious side, holy ****, this is awful

[Crazyswordsman]

Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

^^CSM, don't fall into the trap of presuming every fraternity is the same. This guy is disgusting for his comments, & his frat is disgusting as well for implicitly condoning his comments by covering for him, but they're just one frat.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Most of the frat people I know are just like this douche. They went around campus pretentiously wearing their letters and talking about how much better they are, they put up flyers saying if you're not in a frat you might as well be worthless, and the first question girls ask when you first meet them is "are you in a frat?" I went to a small school and 1/3 of students were in Greek organizations, as opposed to only 1/5 of students at big state schools. Pretty much every event the school put on gave the Greeks an opportunity to try and convince everyone that they were better than us, even though my group (the engineering student union) ALWAYS put on hit events that went unnoticed, and the frat people would always come and take over the big dancy ones. If you weren't in a frat it was very difficult to find a party to go to (and especially if you're an engineer considering the workload we do compared to most students). I feel like I worked hard in school, and the frats got all the credit. I did not have a girlfriend in college because I was so busy and because all the girls wanted frat boys and most of the frat boys I came across were loud and obnoxious.

I'm not stereotyping so much as I am speaking from four long years of experience. I know there are non-douchey frat boys just as there are douchey non-frat boys. But my experiences speak for themselves. My best friends in college were in that same frat ZG mentioned above for a time, and they wouldn't give me the time of day when they were in it. But they started hanging out with me a LOT after they quit. -CSM

[Deku Trii]

So are these mostly scams, cons, hustles, hoodwinks, gambits, film-flams, stratagems, or bam boostles?

[CaptHayfever]

^^Your private school had over twice the enrollment of my state school. I think it honestly has more to do with the culture than the enrollment. Wash U is a large, urban, high-tutition, all-but-Ivy-League research institution. Truman is a tiny, rural, low-tuition, casual liberal-arts institution. The prevailing attitudes are largely different.

You're right about the percentages, though; Truman's Greek enrollment is about 20%...divided into social, service, academic, & professional fratern/sororities, each of which has a different goal & a different reputation. A few of those organizations (a couple of the social frats, & maybe one academic frat) sadly would also have defended & endorsed this sort of activity from one of their members. Most (the sororities & co-ed frats, the service & professional frats, & all of the remaining social & academic frats) would not.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[ZeldaGirl]

I do think that Hayfever makes a good point about the culture of the school...but at the same time, there are larger, systemic issues here. National chapters cannot control individual school chapters, no, but certain behaviors and attitudes have been endorsed and actively promoted in the Greek community so that they continue to thrive. I would say, in general, that most social fraternities are more likely to endorse or engage in this behavior (recent Duke and Yale frat scandals would support this). Hell, I'd say a good portion of the social frats here at my school probably would, too.

[Crazyswordsman]

I definitely was no fan of Wash U's culture, either. Particularly as an engineer who had very little time to try and do things outside class, and who was woken up at 3AM by drunken parties the night before an exam. -CSM

[Eagle Eye]

There are a lot of douchebags in fraternities that get the letters so they can get the attention. But there are as many people who join fraternities because they actually, get this, believe in what they stand for.

I can't blame CSM for not liking many fraternities or people involved in them, a lot of people get in them and change. A lot of people get in them because they want to belong to something, not thinking about the fact that letters on your chest doens't change who you are.

That said, the man....I hesitate to call him that, who wrote this letter is nothing but the lowest form of ****

[Crazyswordsman]

^Why do you hesitate to call him that? That's what he is. -CSM

[Loot]

"Views by a group of people representing less than 0.000001% of the population of the world ruins view of the entire of humanity. More at 11."

[CaptHayfever]

^^A man. Andre hesitates to call him a man.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

[ZeldaGirl]

Originally Posted by Loot

"Views by a group of people representing less than 0.000001% of the population of the world ruins view of the entire of humanity. More at 11."

Sadly, sexism (well, most -isms, really) is more prominent in society than we realize. Yes, this letter is egregious, and many people are calling it out. But the fact is, the underlying attitudes promoting the creation of the letter are very real, and very prevalent in our society. We don't always knowingly condone these attitudes, but often, they are systemic and insidious, underlying basic social attitudes and practices.

That's probably where most of my frustration and sadness is coming from. It was just especially triggered by the letter.

[Crazyswordsman]

Most -ists are in various minorities, but they're very loud ones and/or ones the media is giving a lot of time to. The only -isms the media is ignoring are:

-Pragmatism
-Positivism
-Progressivism
-Pacifism

Can't we focus on our Ps, please? -CSM

[ZeldaGirl]

Most -ists are in various minorities

Noooooot quite. Our society has become less vocal overall, but implicit -isms are actually waaaay more prevalent than we all realize. Our society is very much a racist, sexist, homophobic, ableist, classist, (etc.) unequal society. We just like to pretend that it isn't. Which was my point before.