Balance Issues

Lurch1982 · 01-29-2006, 12:16 PM

Yeah, the amount of levels the diviner has to get to hit an upgrade class. Other classes are almost to their final class before i hit my first upgrade. I could see it being longer than the others due to the power, but that's a tad much.

Plus the amount of munny each class in that tree earns per 24 hours. Insanely low.

***Ynot Shane*** · 01-29-2006, 12:33 PM

I'll revise it so that the diviner class matches what all the other classes are in terms of level gains. When people start hitting the 200 level mark, I'll consider either some sort of master class or one extra step in the existing ones. That should be a few months out, though.

What suggestions would you have to improve the current munny flow? I agree that relative to how much you can fight from bots the job salary isn't worth much. Keep in mind that if we make getting money easier, that means we need to think about general pricing issues on items as well.

Prince Toad · 01-29-2006, 01:51 PM

Fire is outrageously overpowered.

***Ynot Shane*** · 01-29-2006, 02:22 PM

Agreed on fire. Yikes. How's that?

**Loot** · 01-29-2006, 02:25 PM

What's the current rate on Blinding? If I have to face ANOTHER battle where both combatants are blind...

Prince Toad · 01-29-2006, 02:32 PM

I'd have to look at all the numbers in a more convenient form, but that looks better.

Lurch1982 · 01-29-2006, 03:29 PM

Salaries for the weaker classes should be higher than, say, diviner or some other class that gives higher boosts.

Thing about the shop pricing is that I'm sure alot of people are going to max out the loan and buy things regardless of any availibility of munny. Trick is to work in munny sinks into the game, similar to MMORPGs. The hospital could be one, although that can get pretty steep in terms of healing. Not sure on pricing though, I think its still playing out.

Eagle Eye · 01-29-2006, 04:26 PM

For some reason, I can't heal. It says taht I can't heal that much MP when I have "0" in that field.

***Ynot Shane*** · 01-29-2006, 04:32 PM

See the MP Fix topic.

Prince Toad · 01-29-2006, 06:05 PM

Did you change salary for Pickpocket from 150 to 50? If so... bah.

***Ynot Shane*** · 01-29-2006, 06:47 PM

Scratch that. Reverse it.

Link2000 · 01-30-2006, 05:48 AM

Hospital needs to stay as a money sink, otherwise inflation will (very) quickly ruin this.

Prince Toad · 01-30-2006, 11:34 AM

Alright, thanks.

***Ynot Shane*** · 01-30-2006, 05:39 PM

I agree the hospital should charge. Problem is the pricing being 1 per health point. There's no way to make money at that level, unless we bump up the pricing on the monsters or how much people make from their jobs.

The Willful Wanderer · 02-01-2006, 10:04 PM

Given that MP also cost one munny per to heal, and you can get the Heal spell at level 0....

It's a lot like every other RPG out there: restoring MP and using MP to regain HP is vastly more cash-efficient. ( 7 munny for the MP to cast Heal once, as opposed to 20 or more munny to heal 1/5 of your HP...)

If you could work out a scaling for the healing, so that, say, the first 100 hp is 1 munny per, then the second 100 is 2 per, and so on, and do similarly with MP, that would likely help a bit.

Additionally, equipment seems overall a bit pricey for its effect at level 0-3. It's not a huge tremendous oh crap this is awful disparity, but it is something that could stand to be looked at (as well as the range of variety in low-level equipment- heck, in equipment at any price. There's only one or two things at each approximate price in terms of armor and spells- which means that at the lowest level you can use them, LOADS of people will be using all the same element of spell.)

***Ynot Shane*** · 02-01-2006, 10:41 PM

The hospital rates are locked. Personally, I'd like to make them go for .5 or something like that if I had the choice.

The equipment pricing seems fine just because there's going to be so much money that people will need to spend on something. Feel free to suggest any alternate weapons/spells/etc. on their respective topics.

The Willful Wanderer · 02-02-2006, 12:54 AM

Nice as it is, having HP recovery be free and MP recovery not doesn't make much sense- everyone uses HP, but pure-combat people don't seem to use MP at all.

Have you considered a flat, level-based rate (given that, as levels increase, percentages of HP and MP will (or should) remain somewhere in the same vicinity of importance, no matter what the actual numbers are)?

***Ynot Shane*** · 02-02-2006, 01:21 AM

It originally started off as 1 for HP and 2 for MP. I just decreased each by 1.

Not possible.

The Willful Wanderer · 02-02-2006, 04:10 PM

Alright. All the same, having HP recovery be free is a great advantage for the classes that don't eat their MP to fight effectively. You probably should hike up the pay rates for the magic-using classes to make up for that, so long as you stick with the current healing costs for the Hospital.

01-29-2006, 11:45 AM	#1
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	Balance Issues . __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

01-29-2006, 12:33 PM	#3
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	I'll revise it so that the diviner class matches what all the other classes are in terms of level gains. When people start hitting the 200 level mark, I'll consider either some sort of master class or one extra step in the existing ones. That should be a few months out, though. What suggestions would you have to improve the current munny flow? I agree that relative to how much you can fight from bots the job salary isn't worth much. Keep in mind that if we make getting money easier, that means we need to think about general pricing issues on items as well. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

01-29-2006, 02:22 PM	#5
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	Agreed on fire. Yikes. How's that? __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

01-29-2006, 04:32 PM	#10
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	See the MP Fix topic. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

01-29-2006, 06:47 PM	#12
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	Scratch that. Reverse it. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

01-29-2006, 12:16 PM	#2
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Yeah, the amount of levels the diviner has to get to hit an upgrade class. Other classes are almost to their final class before i hit my first upgrade. I could see it being longer than the others due to the power, but that's a tad much. Plus the amount of munny each class in that tree earns per 24 hours. Insanely low.

01-29-2006, 01:51 PM	#4
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	Fire is outrageously overpowered.

01-29-2006, 02:25 PM	#6
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	What's the current rate on Blinding? If I have to face ANOTHER battle where both combatants are blind...

01-29-2006, 02:32 PM	#7
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	I'd have to look at all the numbers in a more convenient form, but that looks better.

01-29-2006, 03:29 PM	#8
Lurch1982 Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: DenCo Gender: Posts: 9,850 Thanks: 127 Thanked 365 Times in 192 Posts	Salaries for the weaker classes should be higher than, say, diviner or some other class that gives higher boosts. Thing about the shop pricing is that I'm sure alot of people are going to max out the loan and buy things regardless of any availibility of munny. Trick is to work in munny sinks into the game, similar to MMORPGs. The hospital could be one, although that can get pretty steep in terms of healing. Not sure on pricing though, I think its still playing out.

01-29-2006, 04:26 PM	#9
Eagle Eye Diddy bops Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Gender: Posts: 15,014 Thanks: 1,616 Thanked 1,084 Times in 597 Posts	For some reason, I can't heal. It says taht I can't heal that much MP when I have "0" in that field.

01-29-2006, 06:05 PM	#11
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	Did you change salary for Pickpocket from 150 to 50? If so... bah.

01-30-2006, 05:48 AM	#13
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Hospital needs to stay as a money sink, otherwise inflation will (very) quickly ruin this.

01-30-2006, 11:34 AM	#14
Prince Toad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rookery Gender: Posts: 11,720 Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 56 Posts	Alright, thanks.

01-30-2006, 05:39 PM	#15
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	I agree the hospital should charge. Problem is the pricing being 1 per health point. There's no way to make money at that level, unless we bump up the pricing on the monsters or how much people make from their jobs. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

02-01-2006, 10:04 PM	#16
The Willful Wanderer Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aisle 12, between the kumquats and the radicchio. Gender: Posts: 2,325 Thanks: 168 Thanked 137 Times in 90 Posts	Given that MP also cost one munny per to heal, and you can get the Heal spell at level 0.... It's a lot like every other RPG out there: restoring MP and using MP to regain HP is vastly more cash-efficient. ( 7 munny for the MP to cast Heal once, as opposed to 20 or more munny to heal 1/5 of your HP...) If you could work out a scaling for the healing, so that, say, the first 100 hp is 1 munny per, then the second 100 is 2 per, and so on, and do similarly with MP, that would likely help a bit. Additionally, equipment seems overall a bit pricey for its effect at level 0-3. It's not a huge tremendous oh crap this is awful disparity, but it is something that could stand to be looked at (as well as the range of variety in low-level equipment- heck, in equipment at any price. There's only one or two things at each approximate price in terms of armor and spells- which means that at the lowest level you can use them, LOADS of people will be using all the same element of spell.)

02-01-2006, 10:41 PM	#17
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	The hospital rates are locked. Personally, I'd like to make them go for .5 or something like that if I had the choice. The equipment pricing seems fine just because there's going to be so much money that people will need to spend on something. Feel free to suggest any alternate weapons/spells/etc. on their respective topics. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

02-02-2006, 12:54 AM	#18
The Willful Wanderer Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aisle 12, between the kumquats and the radicchio. Gender: Posts: 2,325 Thanks: 168 Thanked 137 Times in 90 Posts	Nice as it is, having HP recovery be free and MP recovery not doesn't make much sense- everyone uses HP, but pure-combat people don't seem to use MP at all. Have you considered a flat, level-based rate (given that, as levels increase, percentages of HP and MP will (or should) remain somewhere in the same vicinity of importance, no matter what the actual numbers are)?

02-02-2006, 01:21 AM	#19
*Ynot Shane* Not Ready to Make Nice Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Flaflooga Gender: Posts: 132,163 Thanks: 46 Thanked 604 Times in 317 Posts	It originally started off as 1 for HP and 2 for MP. I just decreased each by 1. Not possible. __________________ Remember that book store? Well, they became one of those books and coffee places, and now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without getting the better part.

02-02-2006, 04:10 PM	#20
The Willful Wanderer Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aisle 12, between the kumquats and the radicchio. Gender: Posts: 2,325 Thanks: 168 Thanked 137 Times in 90 Posts	Alright. All the same, having HP recovery be free is a great advantage for the classes that don't eat their MP to fight effectively. You probably should hike up the pay rates for the magic-using classes to make up for that, so long as you stick with the current healing costs for the Hospital.