Sony copying Nintendo. - VGF

Jace Mario · 07-13-2006, 12:04 AM

Why, Sony? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????
Sony's Playstation 3 control may not look like the Nintendo Wii's, but i heard the PS3 remote is motion-sensitive, like the wii's.

Golden Ganon · 07-13-2006, 04:07 AM

Or it could be the other way around unless you have proof.

**NintendoNut** · 07-13-2006, 09:41 AM

I'm not too sure about the PS3 controller thing. But you could say Sony 'copied' Nintendo by starting to make games consoles in the first place. Nintendo made analogue sticks, shoulder buttons and handheld consoles. I think it may be a tad immature to say Sony would be copying Nintendo though. When you think about it, they're all reasonably simple ideas.

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-13-2006, 10:59 AM

I don't really mind that Sony put in a motion-sensor per se, it's just that seemed to be a rushed add-on that has no real value besides a poor imitator of the Wii. Note that the Wii has more that just an accelerometer, but actual motion tracking hardware external to the Wiimote. Such imprecision may result in a completely useless feature for the PS3. As such, it just seems like Sony is trying to steal some of Nintendo's mystique without actually adding any value to their system, much like saying "Ooh, the PS3 has online play" by including a modem but not actually supporting an online play infrastructure like Xbox Live.

Had Sony put in a motion-tracker and made it look like it would be useful/fun, I'd give it a second thought.

Sidenote:
Analog stick - Atari
Handheld - Microvision
Although I believe the big N did pioneer the cross-pad.

mushroom · 07-13-2006, 12:06 PM

^You're confusing "analog stick" with "joy stick".

Codiekitty · 07-13-2006, 12:26 PM

A) Welcome to, what, two months ago?

B) Home video game consoles - Atari

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Insert unfunny meme here · 07-13-2006, 01:00 PM

I think the reason Sony "copied" Nintendo is because they thought that Motion-Sensitivity was a grood idea.

The Doctor · 07-13-2006, 01:49 PM

Um...Sony would know alot about VGs if it wasn't for Nintendo. Sony and Nintendo were making the Playstation together, until they got in an agruement about gamepacks, and CDs.

mushroom · 07-13-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

B) Home video game consoles - Magnavox

fixed

GRENTLEMEN · 07-13-2006, 02:47 PM

^ beat me to it. Atari didn't even invent pong.

mushroom · 07-13-2006, 02:54 PM

Though I do give them credit for popularizing video games.

GRENTLEMEN · 07-13-2006, 03:11 PM

I don't. None of their most successful games were their's to sell. What they did was cheat a bunch of little guys out of money, and popularize extortion of third parties.

MC Luigi · 07-13-2006, 04:50 PM

Sony had a patent for the motion sensor idea since 1999. But I bet they wouldn't of put it into action if Nintendo didn't come up with the idea.
Sony STILL copied Nintendo, for in 1998(or 97, not sure) there was a Kirby game for the Gameboy Color. You had to tilt the GBC so you could manuever Kirby through mazes. I had the game. Anyway, Sony very very very very very very very likely copied the idea and patented it. Thus, they copied Nintendo a long time ago!

Anyway, Nintendo kicks Sony's ass.

GRENTLEMEN · 07-13-2006, 11:27 PM

I don't see anything wrong with Sony's tilt-sensitive controller. In comparison to the Revolution's capabilities, it's just a cheap trick. Of couse, they did get the idea from Nintendo's obsession with motion sensitivity - that much is too damn obvious, given the time of their announcement... And the developer's awareness... And the controller redesign, after consumer backlash. But motion sensitivity a tilt sensor ain't.

Koga · 07-14-2006, 04:41 AM

It's also because they lost the right to a rumble function and wanted to replace it with some other feature, rather than just leave it out.

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-14-2006, 08:28 AM

Now that I think about it, it reminds me of the PS2 adding analog face buttons to the PS2 controller. Maybe you don't know, but the triangle/square/circle/cross buttons have analog pressure sensitivity, a feature not really used by any game, ever.

Although I found out the hard way that it is used in some games. I was playing DOA: Hardcore, and despite pressing the same button combo, I would perform different moves, resulting in terrible losses. In my opinion, not really a useful place to use the analog button control

***CaptHayfever*** · 07-14-2006, 11:54 AM

^Face buttons are a lousy place for analog sensors anyway. I mean, how often do you use the mini-jumps in Melee?

Video games - Ralph Baer

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Legendary Super Saiyan · 07-14-2006, 12:11 PM

i am posting coz i need more points...i like sony most...or do i?

The Doctor · 07-14-2006, 12:15 PM

^ The topics isn't about who you like more. And I wouldn't spam like that to get points.

***Ace Mercury*** · 07-14-2006, 12:23 PM

It's like a metaphor for Sony, though.

"Hey, everyone else is talking about something. Nintendo's got the Wii-mote, Microsoft got the Live... Let's talk about a tilt-sensor and a huge price point!"

07-13-2006, 12:04 AM	#1
Jace Mario Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Gender: Posts: 1,468 Thanks: 59 Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 4,870.82 Bank: 14,260.93 Total Points: 19,131.75 Donate	Sony copying Nintendo. Why, Sony? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???? Sony's Playstation 3 control may not look like the Nintendo Wii's, but i heard the PS3 remote is motion-sensitive, like the wii's.

07-13-2006, 04:07 AM	#2
Golden Ganon Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Dakota, U.S. Gender: Posts: 3,395 Thanks: 38 Thanked 67 Times in 60 Posts Points: 9,649.60 Bank: 101.02 Total Points: 9,750.62 Donate	Or it could be the other way around unless you have proof.

07-13-2006, 09:41 AM	#3
NintendoNut NinNut Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hold on, I know this..... Gender: Posts: 8,237 Thanks: 63 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts Points: 44,446.02 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 44,446.02 Donate	I'm not too sure about the PS3 controller thing. But you could say Sony 'copied' Nintendo by starting to make games consoles in the first place. Nintendo made analogue sticks, shoulder buttons and handheld consoles. I think it may be a tad immature to say Sony would be copying Nintendo though. When you think about it, they're all reasonably simple ideas.

07-13-2006, 10:59 AM	#4
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,950 Thanks: 360 Thanked 1,505 Times in 784 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 98,471.30 Bank: 12,446,091.72 Total Points: 12,544,563.02 Donate	I don't really mind that Sony put in a motion-sensor per se, it's just that seemed to be a rushed add-on that has no real value besides a poor imitator of the Wii. Note that the Wii has more that just an accelerometer, but actual motion tracking hardware external to the Wiimote. Such imprecision may result in a completely useless feature for the PS3. As such, it just seems like Sony is trying to steal some of Nintendo's mystique without actually adding any value to their system, much like saying "Ooh, the PS3 has online play" by including a modem but not actually supporting an online play infrastructure like Xbox Live. Had Sony put in a motion-tracker and made it look like it would be useful/fun, I'd give it a second thought. Sidenote: Analog stick - Atari Handheld - Microvision Although I believe the big N did pioneer the cross-pad.

07-13-2006, 12:06 PM	#5
mushroom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brandon, MS Gender: Posts: 5,496 Thanks: 43 Thanked 54 Times in 47 Posts Points: 1,909.90 Bank: 21,412.11 Total Points: 23,322.01 Donate	^You're confusing "analog stick" with "joy stick".

07-13-2006, 12:26 PM	#6
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,757.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,208.46 Donate	A) Welcome to, what, two months ago? B) Home video game consoles - Atari Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

07-13-2006, 01:00 PM	#7
Insert unfunny meme here Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Planet X Gender: Posts: 3,810 Thanks: 278 Thanked 182 Times in 128 Posts Points: 23,653.75 Bank: 40,660.18 Total Points: 64,313.92 Donate	I think the reason Sony "copied" Nintendo is because they thought that Motion-Sensitivity was a grood idea.

07-13-2006, 01:49 PM	#8
The Doctor Timelord. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In my Tardis Gender: Posts: 11,865 Thanks: 390 Thanked 345 Times in 241 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 69,818.81 Bank: 1,144,978.47 Total Points: 1,214,797.27 Donate	Um...Sony would know alot about VGs if it wasn't for Nintendo. Sony and Nintendo were making the Playstation together, until they got in an agruement about gamepacks, and CDs.

07-13-2006, 02:47 PM	#10
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,910 Thanks: 464 Thanked 1,179 Times in 634 Posts Points: 7,660.54 Bank: 1,866,967.49 Total Points: 1,874,628.02 Donate	^ beat me to it. Atari didn't even invent pong.

07-13-2006, 02:54 PM	#11
mushroom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Brandon, MS Gender: Posts: 5,496 Thanks: 43 Thanked 54 Times in 47 Posts Points: 1,909.90 Bank: 21,412.11 Total Points: 23,322.01 Donate	Though I do give them credit for popularizing video games.

07-13-2006, 03:11 PM	#12
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,910 Thanks: 464 Thanked 1,179 Times in 634 Posts Points: 7,660.54 Bank: 1,866,967.49 Total Points: 1,874,628.02 Donate	I don't. None of their most successful games were their's to sell. What they did was cheat a bunch of little guys out of money, and popularize extortion of third parties.

07-13-2006, 04:50 PM	#13
MC Luigi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In YO FACE Gender: Posts: 1,033 Thanks: 41 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts Points: 9,005.64 Bank: 23,165.44 Total Points: 32,171.07 Donate	Sony had a patent for the motion sensor idea since 1999. But I bet they wouldn't of put it into action if Nintendo didn't come up with the idea. Sony STILL copied Nintendo, for in 1998(or 97, not sure) there was a Kirby game for the Gameboy Color. You had to tilt the GBC so you could manuever Kirby through mazes. I had the game. Anyway, Sony very very very very very very very likely copied the idea and patented it. Thus, they copied Nintendo a long time ago! Anyway, Nintendo kicks Sony's ass.

07-13-2006, 11:27 PM	#14
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,910 Thanks: 464 Thanked 1,179 Times in 634 Posts Points: 7,660.54 Bank: 1,866,967.49 Total Points: 1,874,628.02 Donate	I don't see anything wrong with Sony's tilt-sensitive controller. In comparison to the Revolution's capabilities, it's just a cheap trick. Of couse, they did get the idea from Nintendo's obsession with motion sensitivity - that much is too damn obvious, given the time of their announcement... And the developer's awareness... And the controller redesign, after consumer backlash. But motion sensitivity a tilt sensor ain't.

07-14-2006, 04:41 AM	#15
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	It's also because they lost the right to a rumble function and wanted to replace it with some other feature, rather than just leave it out.

07-14-2006, 08:28 AM	#16
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,950 Thanks: 360 Thanked 1,505 Times in 784 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 98,471.30 Bank: 12,446,091.72 Total Points: 12,544,563.02 Donate	Now that I think about it, it reminds me of the PS2 adding analog face buttons to the PS2 controller. Maybe you don't know, but the triangle/square/circle/cross buttons have analog pressure sensitivity, a feature not really used by any game, ever. Although I found out the hard way that it is used in some games. I was playing DOA: Hardcore, and despite pressing the same button combo, I would perform different moves, resulting in terrible losses. In my opinion, not really a useful place to use the analog button control

07-14-2006, 11:54 AM	#17
*CaptHayfever* Smash Supermod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 19,294 Thanks: 161 Thanked 740 Times in 479 Posts Points: 105,832.46 Bank: 942.27 Total Points: 106,774.73 Donate	^Face buttons are a lousy place for analog sensors anyway. I mean, how often do you use the mini-jumps in Melee? Video games - Ralph Baer And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

07-14-2006, 12:11 PM	#18
Legendary Super Saiyan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Heaven Gender: Posts: 131 Thanks: 17 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 4,179.77 Bank: 2,504.12 Total Points: 6,683.89 Donate	i am posting coz i need more points...i like sony most...or do i?

07-14-2006, 12:15 PM	#19
The Doctor Timelord. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In my Tardis Gender: Posts: 11,865 Thanks: 390 Thanked 345 Times in 241 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 69,818.81 Bank: 1,144,978.47 Total Points: 1,214,797.27 Donate	^ The topics isn't about who you like more. And I wouldn't spam like that to get points.

07-14-2006, 12:23 PM	#20
*Ace Mercury* Marshmallow Knight ☆ Supermod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Southern Ontario Gender: Posts: 18,950 Thanks: 360 Thanked 1,505 Times in 784 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 98,471.30 Bank: 12,446,091.72 Total Points: 12,544,563.02 Donate	It's like a metaphor for Sony, though. "Hey, everyone else is talking about something. Nintendo's got the Wii-mote, Microsoft got the Live... Let's talk about a tilt-sensor and a huge price point!"