New theories on the Zelda timeline (WW spoilers)

04-24-2003, 07:35 PM

This topic contains big Wind Waker spoilers, if you do not wish to be spoiled. Look no further.

Well, it's all incredibly obvious that Ocarina of Time is the first game in the series. And it is said that Majora's Mask takes place three months after Ocarina of Time.

The Wind Waker is said to take place at least 100 years after Ocarina of Time.

Some argue now that the Link from the Wind Waker is not a descendant of the Link from Ocarina of Time although it is known for fact the Link from A Link To The Past is a descendant.

However I believe that the Link from the Wind Waker is a descendant of the Link from Ocarina of Time. Why? Because the King of Hyrule tells Link and Tetra (before Tetra is reveiled to be Zelda) that the people who defeated Ganon 100 years ago were they're ancestors. However it is unknown if the Link and Zelda from Ocarina of Time got married. It doesn't seem to be that way. However, descendants can be a very complicated thing. Say Link 1 and Zelda 1 got married and had two kids. However One could follow Link's bloodline and one could be from Zelda's bloodline and that means... Oh, figure it out yourself. Confusing huh?

I'll explain that further if I have to. Ganon does think of Link as a descendant of the Hero of Time. However the Wind Waker has created some plot holes. First of all if it's supposed to take place between Ocarina of Time and A Link To The Past how come Hyrule is washed away? And Ganon is turned to stone by the Master Sword when he's supposed to be sealed up in the Dark World in A Link To The Past. If a new Zelda game is announced at E3, Miyamoto should above all else take that game to tie up some plot threads the Wind Waker has caused.

So here's how the timeline goes for me.

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
A Link To The Past
Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Link's Awakening
Legend of Zelda
Adventure of Link

[ April 24, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: The Luigi Man ]

imported_AJ Middleton · 04-24-2003, 08:49 PM

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
A Link To The Past
Legend of Zelda
Adventure of Link

The gameboys can go whereever.

See, I was thinking that Link the 2nd isn't literally a descendant of the first, but instead his reincarnation, as Ganon says. A new hero is born every time Ganon appears. I think it's more of a spiritual thing. The Zeldas, on the other hand, are all part of the same family.

Maybe by LttP's time the water has dried up and Hyrule resurfaced. Or maybe, as Tetra says, she and Link did manage to find a new land and call it Hyrule. But no, because how would they know about the old landmarks?

Luigi_PS2 · 04-24-2003, 09:14 PM

My theory: The timeline is so confusing and scattered that I am no longer concerned with it.
L is real

Super Star 9 · 04-24-2003, 09:20 PM

My Timeline:The order Zelda games were relased,(excluding exact remakes like LttP for GBA.)just put LttP infront of LoZ.

04-25-2003, 09:37 AM

^ I guess you're the kind of person that believes that since the Silmarillion was released later, it takes place after Lord of the Rings?

Ah well, here's mine with the good old Acronym thing.

OoT-MM>TWW-FS>LoZ-AoL>OoS-OoA>LttP-LA
A - represents that the two games happen with the same Link, a > means there is a unspecified amount of generations between the two.

imported_AJ Middleton · 04-25-2003, 09:53 AM

You know, the timeline HAS been confirmed by Nintendo and all...

04-25-2003, 11:01 AM

^ Yeah, various times in various fashions.

imported_AJ Middleton · 04-25-2003, 11:04 AM

Wait- revelation!

WW takes place in an alternate reality. It's after Link saves Hyrule as an adult. So, maybe WW is just there to tie up lose ends that OoT left open. Maybe nothing comes after it, especially since Hyrule is gone.

[ April 25, 2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: Sir Bolt Dragoon ]

04-25-2003, 11:21 AM

I think the real explaination is that there is no timeline for the games. Nintendo obviously doesn't care enough to make the games fit in an ordely fashion, so they don't.-jay

Metal Mario · 04-25-2003, 02:07 PM

I don't think Link and Zelda could have married after Ocarina of Time, because that would put all of their descendants in the same bloodline, not to mention raise questions about why Link and Zelda always meet for the first time in every game.

In The Wind Waker, the King of Red Lions tells Jabun that Link is not connected with the Hero of Time, raising even more questions.

I find it easier these days to let stuff like this go.

imported_AJ Middleton · 04-25-2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Metal Mario:
In The Wind Waker, the King of Red Lions tells Jabun that Link is not connected with the Hero of Time, raising even more questions.

But then. in the final battle, Ganon says that he is. Who is right?

04-25-2003, 03:03 PM

^^Probably meaning that he wasn't the Hero of Time, MM. Like I said if Link and Zelda did get married it could go like this: Link and Zelda had a son and daughter one with Link's blood and one with Zelda's blood. The son goes off and gets married and gives birth to one of Link 2's ancestors and the daughter goes off and get married and gives birth to one of Zelda 2's ancestors.

Metal Mario · 04-25-2003, 03:06 PM

But they'd still be of the same bloodline. They'd all be cousins.

imported_Link the Adept · 04-25-2003, 04:17 PM

how is it that Link & Zelda meet in LttP for the first time and for the first time again in the Oracle games.

04-26-2003, 12:30 AM

I just read in a Miyamato interview that LttP is considered a 'sequel to LoZ, whereas AoL is just a sidequest'. And that they actually have a overall background story for the entire series. I'd post it here, but I'm extremely skeptical and want to verify it first.

04-26-2003, 06:43 AM

^How can it be though? A Link To The Past like MM said was the backstory to LoZ

imported_Alucard · 04-26-2003, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Bolt Dragoon:
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Wind Waker
A Link To The Past
Legend of Zelda
Adventure of Link

The gameboys can go whereever.

that is not true!

OoT
MM
WW
LttP
OoS\OoA
LA
LoZ
AoL

Chapters 5-7
After Link saves Hyrule from Ganon(the pig), he is sent to Labrynia and Holodrum to stop Ganon once again. On his return to Hyrule, Link is trapped in the dream of the WindFish, on the Island of Kohilint, where he must stop the Nightmares and awaken the Windfish. After that, Link finds his way back to Hyrule to find it in Ruins, ect., ect., ect.

[ April 26, 2003, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Alucard is Rubi-Sapphified ]

imported_AJ Middleton · 04-26-2003, 12:34 PM

I mean that they can go whereever in my mind. The GBs have the most debate around them anyway.

04-26-2003, 12:51 PM

Bolt, I actually think the AoL Backstory has more debate. The Oracles game either fit after LoZ or after LttP, won't go anywhere else.

Luigi man, that's why I want to verify it.

04-26-2003, 01:13 PM

Adult Link Timeline
-------------------
Ocarina of Time (Link I)
The Wind Waker (Link I Reincarnated)
(New Hyrule founded by Link I R. and Zelda II. They found out about Old Hyrule landmarks from The Deku Tree, probably.)
A Link To The Past, Link's Awakening (Link II)
The Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link (Link III)

Alternate Timeline
------------------

Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask Oracle of Seasons/Ages. (Link I)

At the end of Ocarina of Time Zelda sends Link to the Alternate Timeline. He loses the Triforce of Courage and Master Sword in the process. He returns to Adult Timeline many years after his quests in Holodrum, Labrynna, and Termina, but by then is too old to fight Gannon and instead has a child with Malon while hiding out at Lon Lon Ranch until he dies in the flood. Malon escapes with the child to a distant land.

04-24-2003, 07:35 PM	#1
The Luigi Man Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	This topic contains big Wind Waker spoilers, if you do not wish to be spoiled. Look no further. Well, it's all incredibly obvious that Ocarina of Time is the first game in the series. And it is said that Majora's Mask takes place three months after Ocarina of Time. The Wind Waker is said to take place at least 100 years after Ocarina of Time. Some argue now that the Link from the Wind Waker is not a descendant of the Link from Ocarina of Time although it is known for fact the Link from A Link To The Past is a descendant. However I believe that the Link from the Wind Waker is a descendant of the Link from Ocarina of Time. Why? Because the King of Hyrule tells Link and Tetra (before Tetra is reveiled to be Zelda) that the people who defeated Ganon 100 years ago were they're ancestors. However it is unknown if the Link and Zelda from Ocarina of Time got married. It doesn't seem to be that way. However, descendants can be a very complicated thing. Say Link 1 and Zelda 1 got married and had two kids. However One could follow Link's bloodline and one could be from Zelda's bloodline and that means... Oh, figure it out yourself. Confusing huh? I'll explain that further if I have to. Ganon does think of Link as a descendant of the Hero of Time. However the Wind Waker has created some plot holes. First of all if it's supposed to take place between Ocarina of Time and A Link To The Past how come Hyrule is washed away? And Ganon is turned to stone by the Master Sword when he's supposed to be sealed up in the Dark World in A Link To The Past. If a new Zelda game is announced at E3, Miyamoto should above all else take that game to tie up some plot threads the Wind Waker has caused. So here's how the timeline goes for me. Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask Wind Waker A Link To The Past Oracle of Ages/Seasons Link's Awakening Legend of Zelda Adventure of Link [ April 24, 2003, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: The Luigi Man ]

04-24-2003, 08:49 PM	#2
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 536.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 536.00 Donate	Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask Wind Waker A Link To The Past Legend of Zelda Adventure of Link The gameboys can go whereever. See, I was thinking that Link the 2nd isn't literally a descendant of the first, but instead his reincarnation, as Ganon says. A new hero is born every time Ganon appears. I think it's more of a spiritual thing. The Zeldas, on the other hand, are all part of the same family. Maybe by LttP's time the water has dried up and Hyrule resurfaced. Or maybe, as Tetra says, she and Link did manage to find a new land and call it Hyrule. But no, because how would they know about the old landmarks?

04-24-2003, 09:14 PM	#3
Luigi_PS2 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 214 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 671.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,171.00 Donate	My theory: The timeline is so confusing and scattered that I am no longer concerned with it. L is real

04-24-2003, 09:20 PM	#4
Super Star 9 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: don,t know Posts: 443 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,033.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,533.00 Donate	My Timeline:The order Zelda games were relased,(excluding exact remakes like LttP for GBA.)just put LttP infront of LoZ.

04-25-2003, 09:37 AM	#5
Masamune Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^ I guess you're the kind of person that believes that since the Silmarillion was released later, it takes place after Lord of the Rings? Ah well, here's mine with the good old Acronym thing. OoT-MM>TWW-FS>LoZ-AoL>OoS-OoA>LttP-LA A - represents that the two games happen with the same Link, a > means there is a unspecified amount of generations between the two.

04-25-2003, 09:53 AM	#6
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 536.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 536.00 Donate	You know, the timeline HAS been confirmed by Nintendo and all...

04-25-2003, 11:01 AM	#7
Masamune Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^ Yeah, various times in various fashions.

04-25-2003, 11:04 AM	#8
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 536.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 536.00 Donate	Wait- revelation! WW takes place in an alternate reality. It's after Link saves Hyrule as an adult. So, maybe WW is just there to tie up lose ends that OoT left open. Maybe nothing comes after it, especially since Hyrule is gone. [ April 25, 2003, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: Sir Bolt Dragoon ]

04-25-2003, 11:21 AM	#9
Perrin Aybara Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	I think the real explaination is that there is no timeline for the games. Nintendo obviously doesn't care enough to make the games fit in an ordely fashion, so they don't.-jay

04-25-2003, 02:07 PM	#10
Metal Mario Game Brain Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 14,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,060.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,060.00 Donate	I don't think Link and Zelda could have married after Ocarina of Time, because that would put all of their descendants in the same bloodline, not to mention raise questions about why Link and Zelda always meet for the first time in every game. In The Wind Waker, the King of Red Lions tells Jabun that Link is not connected with the Hero of Time, raising even more questions. I find it easier these days to let stuff like this go.

04-25-2003, 03:03 PM	#12
The Luigi Man Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^^Probably meaning that he wasn't the Hero of Time, MM. Like I said if Link and Zelda did get married it could go like this: Link and Zelda had a son and daughter one with Link's blood and one with Zelda's blood. The son goes off and gets married and gives birth to one of Link 2's ancestors and the daughter goes off and get married and gives birth to one of Zelda 2's ancestors.

04-25-2003, 03:06 PM	#13
Metal Mario Game Brain Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 14,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,060.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,060.00 Donate	But they'd still be of the same bloodline. They'd all be cousins.

04-25-2003, 04:17 PM	#14
imported_Link the Adept Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 67.50 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 67.50 Donate	how is it that Link & Zelda meet in LttP for the first time and for the first time again in the Oracle games.

04-26-2003, 12:30 AM	#15
Masamune Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	I just read in a Miyamato interview that LttP is considered a 'sequel to LoZ, whereas AoL is just a sidequest'. And that they actually have a overall background story for the entire series. I'd post it here, but I'm extremely skeptical and want to verify it first.

04-26-2003, 06:43 AM	#16
The Luigi Man Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^How can it be though? A Link To The Past like MM said was the backstory to LoZ

04-26-2003, 12:34 PM	#18
imported_AJ Middleton Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 0 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 536.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 536.00 Donate	I mean that they can go whereever in my mind. The GBs have the most debate around them anyway.

04-26-2003, 12:51 PM	#19
Masamune Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Bolt, I actually think the AoL Backstory has more debate. The Oracles game either fit after LoZ or after LttP, won't go anywhere else. Luigi man, that's why I want to verify it.

04-26-2003, 01:13 PM	#20
GORE-ILLA Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Adult Link Timeline ------------------- Ocarina of Time (Link I) The Wind Waker (Link I Reincarnated) (New Hyrule founded by Link I R. and Zelda II. They found out about Old Hyrule landmarks from The Deku Tree, probably.) A Link To The Past, Link's Awakening (Link II) The Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link (Link III) Alternate Timeline ------------------ Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask Oracle of Seasons/Ages. (Link I) At the end of Ocarina of Time Zelda sends Link to the Alternate Timeline. He loses the Triforce of Courage and Master Sword in the process. He returns to Adult Timeline many years after his quests in Holodrum, Labrynna, and Termina, but by then is too old to fight Gannon and instead has a child with Malon while hiding out at Lon Lon Ranch until he dies in the flood. Malon escapes with the child to a distant land.