To all you newbie Sonic fans, what's your favorite Sonic game? - Page 3

Metal Mario · 02-03-2004, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by The Flying Fish:
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People who knew that the only successful system Sega ever launched was the Genesis didn't buy it.

There was also the Master System. [/quote]If that's the Sega system that came out during the reign of the NES, then I wouldn't exactly call it successful. That was like the N-Gage trying to compete with the GBA.

imported_Kaeru 7 · 02-04-2004, 02:26 AM

I'd like to know why exactly purchasing a Dreamcast isn't a smart decision given its wealth of high-quality titles such as Soul Calibur, Phantasy Star Online, and Skies of Arcadia.

So basically you're saying that the only "successful" console is the most popular one. By those standards, both the N64 and GCN are failures--but that's a horrible misinterpretation. Obviously the Master System met with some level of success if its maker went on to release one of the most memorable video game consoles of all-time that was also the best-selling until the release of Donkey Kong Country.

[ February 04, 2004, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Kaeru 7 ]

theflyingfish · 02-04-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Metal Mario:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Flying Fish:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Metal Mario:
People who knew that the only successful system Sega ever launched was the Genesis didn't buy it.

There was also the Master System. [/quote]If that's the Sega system that came out during the reign of the NES, then I wouldn't exactly call it successful. That was like the N-Gage trying to compete with the GBA. [/quote]Both the Master System and the Genesis were released during the NES's life. The SMS met with marginal success in Japan and Europe (wasn't released in the US), but although it didn't make a dent in the NES's success, it was by no means a complete failure like the Saturn and the myriad of Genesis add-ons.

And I'm with Kaeru. You can't say a system is crap just because it doesn't sell well.

Metal Mario · 02-04-2004, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Kaeru 7:
I'd like to know why exactly purchasing a Dreamcast isn't a smart decision given its wealth of high-quality titles such as Soul Calibur, Phantasy Star Online, and Skies of Arcadia.

You can play most, if not all, of the Dreamcast's best games on GCN, PS2, or Xbox now.

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So basically you're saying that the only "successful" console is the most popular one.

No, I'm saying that the console that doesn't get ground into the dirt in under two years is successful.

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Obviously the Master System met with some level of success if its maker went on to release one of the most memorable video game consoles of all-time that was also the best-selling until the release of Donkey Kong Country.

It wasn't any amount of alleged success on the Master System's part that led Sega to launch the Genesis. It was their stubborn "our last system bombed but let's try again anyway" attitude that was prevalent throughout their life. I have to wonder if the Genesis would have enjoyed the degree of success that it had if the SNES had been released first...

imported_Kaeru 7 · 02-04-2004, 10:04 PM

That's now. Back then they were Dreamcast-exclusives, making it a very worthy purchase at the time. Obviously buying a Dreamcast at this point would be a bit silly.

Success is subjective. The wealthiest man in the world could buy ever luxery he's ever dreamed of, but he could also be the lonliest man in the world. From that standpoint, I'm much more successful than he'll ever be. With the Dreamcast, you speak of financial success. It could very well be considered a success by many of its owners because of its library of AAA titles. You could also say it was a success for being the first to take the risk of diving into the then unknown world of online gaming, spawning one of the most innovative console titles of our generation--Phantasy Star Online.

I never recalled the Master System bombing. But honestly, I can't say because I never followed the system much. Ask Hobbes.

Fishmael · 02-04-2004, 10:53 PM

^*insert thumb up icon*

*then dies*

Pikahobbes · 02-04-2004, 11:24 PM

You tell him Kaeru. And the Master System didn't bomb...for Sega at that time, it was a big success. We can't all have antitrust monopolies.

EDIT: Dreamcast also had AAA..well, for a lack of a better word, "mature" games...something that doesn't fit into MM's demographics. Although I can't say they don't fit into mine. I can come up with more AAA exclusive at the time titles for DC than I can for GC... Funny thing is that the DC had more 3rd party support when it was waning than GC does now.

If a company's history means so much to games, then let's all go buy a Xbox.

[ February 04, 2004, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

Metal Mario · 02-05-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Hobbes:
Dreamcast also had AAA..well, for a lack of a better word, "mature" games...something that doesn't fit into MM's demographics.

Don't be one of the oblivious boneheads who thinks that GCN doesn't have its fair share of mature-themed games. You're too intelligent for that.

02-05-2004, 01:48 AM

^Did he SAY that Nintendo didn't?

Metal Mario · 02-05-2004, 03:09 AM

I don't know. Maybe I just misunderstood what he was trying to say.

02-05-2004, 07:43 PM

This isn't fact and I doubt it'll affect anything, but I think Phantasy Star Online is overrated (of course, I was never able to get the game online, which is probably another reason I'm so angry with it). And Ixa Taka killed my interest for Skies of Arcadia.

Of course, this is coming from the person who thinks everything is overrated.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Fishmael · 02-05-2004, 07:58 PM

^Lool. So do I!

But I think PSO gets fair credit. It is really good, even offline for me.

jbboo · 02-05-2004, 09:33 PM

Definietly Sonic Adventure 2 Battle! It'll probably change to Sonic Heroes when I buy that, though.

Metal Mario · 02-05-2004, 11:01 PM

^Don't count on it.

02-06-2004, 09:12 AM

^Why do you hate Sonic Heroes so much MM? Then again do you? I've just be assuming

02-06-2004, 02:32 PM

Jeez, TLM, stop obsessing over MM's opinion on Sonic games so much.

02-06-2004, 02:55 PM

What Curt said and MM never said he hated Sonic Heroes. All he's saying was that he liked SA2B more than Sonic Heroes, which is totally understandable.

Metal Mario · 02-06-2004, 03:33 PM

As I said before, Sonic Heroes is mediocre at best. The game is flawed, as most reviewers agree. All the teams and levels are the same, and the play control is far from intuitive. I can't count the number of times I've slid off a cliff and into oblivion just because I pressed the B button to attack an enemy. The game has been a serious annoyance to me. I'm at the final boss, but I'm not sure I'll even bother to beat him.

02-06-2004, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Curt:
Jeez, TLM, stop obsessing over MM's opinion on Sonic games so much.

Heck that, TLM, stop obsessing over MM's opinion on EVERYTHING.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

02-04-2004, 02:26 AM	#42
imported_Kaeru 7 Main Mod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Warwick, Rhode Island Posts: 6,061 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,107.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,107.00 Donate	I'd like to know why exactly purchasing a Dreamcast isn't a smart decision given its wealth of high-quality titles such as Soul Calibur, Phantasy Star Online, and Skies of Arcadia. So basically you're saying that the only "successful" console is the most popular one. By those standards, both the N64 and GCN are failures--but that's a horrible misinterpretation. Obviously the Master System met with some level of success if its maker went on to release one of the most memorable video game consoles of all-time that was also the best-selling until the release of Donkey Kong Country. [ February 04, 2004, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Kaeru 7 ]

02-04-2004, 10:04 PM	#45
imported_Kaeru 7 Main Mod Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Warwick, Rhode Island Posts: 6,061 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,107.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,107.00 Donate	That's now. Back then they were Dreamcast-exclusives, making it a very worthy purchase at the time. Obviously buying a Dreamcast at this point would be a bit silly. Success is subjective. The wealthiest man in the world could buy ever luxery he's ever dreamed of, but he could also be the lonliest man in the world. From that standpoint, I'm much more successful than he'll ever be. With the Dreamcast, you speak of financial success. It could very well be considered a success by many of its owners because of its library of AAA titles. You could also say it was a success for being the first to take the risk of diving into the then unknown world of online gaming, spawning one of the most innovative console titles of our generation--Phantasy Star Online. I never recalled the Master System bombing. But honestly, I can't say because I never followed the system much. Ask Hobbes.

02-04-2004, 10:53 PM	#46
Fishmael Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,226 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,716.64 Bank: 1,608.43 Total Points: 5,325.07 Donate	^insert thumb up icon then dies

02-04-2004, 11:24 PM	#47
Pikahobbes Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Gender: Posts: 4,676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,273.88 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,783.88 Donate	You tell him Kaeru. And the Master System didn't bomb...for Sega at that time, it was a big success. We can't all have antitrust monopolies. EDIT: Dreamcast also had AAA..well, for a lack of a better word, "mature" games...something that doesn't fit into MM's demographics. Although I can't say they don't fit into mine. I can come up with more AAA exclusive at the time titles for DC than I can for GC... Funny thing is that the DC had more 3rd party support when it was waning than GC does now. If a company's history means so much to games, then let's all go buy a Xbox. [ February 04, 2004, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

02-05-2004, 01:48 AM	#49
I'm-a-Luigi-number-1 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^Did he SAY that Nintendo didn't?

02-05-2004, 03:09 AM	#50
Metal Mario Game Brain Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 14,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,058.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,058.00 Donate	I don't know. Maybe I just misunderstood what he was trying to say.

02-05-2004, 07:43 PM	#51
CodieKitty Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	This isn't fact and I doubt it'll affect anything, but I think Phantasy Star Online is overrated (of course, I was never able to get the game online, which is probably another reason I'm so angry with it). And Ixa Taka killed my interest for Skies of Arcadia. Of course, this is coming from the person who thinks everything is overrated. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

02-05-2004, 07:58 PM	#52
Fishmael Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,226 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,716.64 Bank: 1,608.43 Total Points: 5,325.07 Donate	^Lool. So do I! But I think PSO gets fair credit. It is really good, even offline for me.

02-05-2004, 09:33 PM	#53
jbboo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Forsaken Fortress, Great Sea Gender: Posts: 197 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,893.81 Bank: 646.80 Total Points: 2,540.61 Donate	Definietly Sonic Adventure 2 Battle! It'll probably change to Sonic Heroes when I buy that, though.

02-05-2004, 11:01 PM	#54
Metal Mario Game Brain Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 14,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,058.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,058.00 Donate	^Don't count on it.

02-06-2004, 09:12 AM	#55
The Luigi Man Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	^Why do you hate Sonic Heroes so much MM? Then again do you? I've just be assuming

02-06-2004, 02:32 PM	#56
I'm-a-Luigi-number-1 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	Jeez, TLM, stop obsessing over MM's opinion on Sonic games so much.

02-06-2004, 02:55 PM	#57
Knuckles173 Guest Posts: n/a Points: 0 Bank: 0 Total Points: 0 Donate	What Curt said and MM never said he hated Sonic Heroes. All he's saying was that he liked SA2B more than Sonic Heroes, which is totally understandable.

02-06-2004, 03:33 PM	#58
Metal Mario Game Brain Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 14,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 8,058.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 8,058.00 Donate	As I said before, Sonic Heroes is mediocre at best. The game is flawed, as most reviewers agree. All the teams and levels are the same, and the play control is far from intuitive. I can't count the number of times I've slid off a cliff and into oblivion just because I pressed the B button to attack an enemy. The game has been a serious annoyance to me. I'm at the final boss, but I'm not sure I'll even bother to beat him.