Which game best translated a franchise from 2D to 3D? - Page 2 - VGF

Tad Venture · 03-24-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CL of the Hippie Pirates

I'm refraining from voting because I've played all three games and they all kick ass, and because I've only played the 2D version of one.

Buy Super Metroid and Zelda 1 on the Virtual Consooooooole

Chunky Kong12345 · 03-24-2008, 06:13 PM

Or, you know, LttP.

Tad Venture · 03-24-2008, 09:27 PM

Is LttP on the VC?

**Booyakasha** · 03-24-2008, 10:03 PM

^Yes. It's stupidly listed under 'T' instead of 'L', but it is there. (Apparently the initial 'the' is crucial enough to the title that they have to go by that when alphabetising.)

CuccoLady · 03-25-2008, 12:39 AM

Stop harassing me already, I'll get the game. Sheesh.

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 01:12 AM

^Most would probably recommend LoZ over AoL for a more traditional Zelda experience. Not that AoL is bad, of course--just different.

Tad Venture · 03-25-2008, 10:05 AM

It's true. As much as I adore AoL (see avatar), if you really want a classic Zelda game, go with either LttP or LoZ.

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 10:27 AM

Plus, if you download LoZ, you'll get to see where all my awesome avatars have come from. Tell me that isn't the deal of the century.

[EDIT: Just realised I never actually contributed to the topic.

I don't know which game was the most effective translation. I liked 'SM64' the most out of the three, but I guess that isn't really what the question is asking...

You know, I think 'SM64' is probably it. Kept things fairly consistent with the originals and the intermediate games in the series--like that. 'Prime' was a major change from the originals (say what you like, but I would almost have preferred a 3rd-person shooter-platformer to an FPS--sort of 'Ratchet and Clank', without the laughs). As for 'OoT'...yeah. I won't say it's a bad game, but most of my gripes with it had to do with the translation to 3D (aka Z-targeting and general ease).]

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-25-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Booyakasha

^Yes. It's stupidly listed under 'T' instead of 'L', but it is there. (Apparently the initial 'the' is crucial enough to the title that they have to go by that when alphabetising.)

I thought it was "A Link to the Past." Hmm.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 10:38 AM

^Heh. 'The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past'.

Tad Venture · 03-25-2008, 12:05 PM

Boo, I'm throwing down the guantlet.

What exactly do you have against Z-Targeting? If Link were a real person, he would focus on one enemy and attack it--he wouldn't just run into a battle swinging his sword like an idiot.

Plus, you love Wind Waker, which also had Z-Targeting. Explain, sire.

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 01:22 PM

You know, after thinking it over, I don't really have anything against Z-targeting (well, aside from automatic perfect accuracy with missile weapons, but that's just a nitpick). After having played a few games that both feature some such targeting/auto-face system and remain harder than nails ('Just Cause' and the 'Call of Duty' games spring to mind), I'm going to go ahead and just say that OoT was extremely, extremely easy. Very little challenging combat; I'm not some kind of psycho, and I see the value in curving the difficulty for new players, but they were wrong to make the enemies such sisters when it came to dealing damage. Seriously, some boss-monster the size of a house lamps Link one, you'd expect he'd lose a fat chunk of his life, not some dinky half-heart. Hell, back in the LoZ days, they weren't shy about throwing a group of Blue Lynels at you just in the overworld, nevermind the dungeons at all.

WW, enemy damage is still a little nerfed, but at least you get some pitched battles--Link against a few Darknuts isn't anything to sneeze at. Not to mention, I liked running up against actual jerk enemies in the overworld. Like those helicopter-whale jobbers who ram you again just as you're getting back into your boat. Yeah, annoying, but you take challenge where you get it.

Chunky Kong12345 · 03-25-2008, 07:39 PM

God, I hated Seahats. With a passion.

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 08:08 PM

They're called Seahats?

...shame on you, Ninty. I cuss your infernal punnery white-hot.

Tad Venture · 03-25-2008, 10:18 PM

I guess I can understand that. I agree, the overworld was pretty pathetic, but I love OoT's story and dungeons a lot. Whether or not that's carry-over from childhood I can't say, but either way, I love the game.

**Booyakasha** · 03-25-2008, 10:34 PM

I appreciate OoT more now than I did when I was younger. To say it sucks based solely on difficulty is unjust; for all that it was an easy game, it was also a very polished and well-made one. I probably just wasn't the target audience, is all.

Tad Venture · 03-26-2008, 12:01 AM

So will I ever get you to re-try MM?

**Booyakasha** · 03-26-2008, 09:02 AM

Don't hold your breath.

Tad Venture · 03-26-2008, 11:22 AM

Hah. I'm still convinced we can get you to give it another shot.

GRENTLEMEN · 03-26-2008, 11:46 AM

I dunno. Boo probably dislikes MM as much as I do, knowing him.

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03-24-2008, 10:03 PM	#24
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	^Yes. It's stupidly listed under 'T' instead of 'L', but it is there. (Apparently the initial 'the' is crucial enough to the title that they have to go by that when alphabetising.) __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-25-2008, 01:12 AM	#26
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	^Most would probably recommend LoZ over AoL for a more traditional Zelda experience. Not that AoL is bad, of course--just different. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-25-2008, 10:27 AM	#28
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	Plus, if you download LoZ, you'll get to see where all my awesome avatars have come from. Tell me that isn't the deal of the century. [EDIT: Just realised I never actually contributed to the topic. I don't know which game was the most effective translation. I liked 'SM64' the most out of the three, but I guess that isn't really what the question is asking... You know, I think 'SM64' is probably it. Kept things fairly consistent with the originals and the intermediate games in the series--like that. 'Prime' was a major change from the originals (say what you like, but I would almost have preferred a 3rd-person shooter-platformer to an FPS--sort of 'Ratchet and Clank', without the laughs). As for 'OoT'...yeah. I won't say it's a bad game, but most of my gripes with it had to do with the translation to 3D (aka Z-targeting and general ease).] __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president Last edited by Booyakasha; 03-25-2008 at 10:37 AM.

03-25-2008, 10:38 AM	#30
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	^Heh. 'The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past'. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-24-2008, 06:13 PM	#22
Chunky Kong12345 BEEP BEEP I'M A JEEP Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,419 Thanks: 61 Thanked 210 Times in 153 Posts Points: 2,467.95 Bank: 82,146.48 Total Points: 84,614.43 Donate	Or, you know, LttP.

03-24-2008, 09:27 PM	#23
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	Is LttP on the VC?

03-25-2008, 12:39 AM	#25
CuccoLady Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: insert something awkward here Gender: Posts: 4,018 Thanks: 915 Thanked 223 Times in 181 Posts Points: 13,901.68 Bank: 8.14 Total Points: 13,909.82 Donate	Stop harassing me already, I'll get the game. Sheesh.

03-25-2008, 10:05 AM	#27
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	It's true. As much as I adore AoL (see avatar), if you really want a classic Zelda game, go with either LttP or LoZ.

03-25-2008, 12:05 PM	#31
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	Boo, I'm throwing down the guantlet. What exactly do you have against Z-Targeting? If Link were a real person, he would focus on one enemy and attack it--he wouldn't just run into a battle swinging his sword like an idiot. Plus, you love Wind Waker, which also had Z-Targeting. Explain, sire.

03-25-2008, 01:22 PM	#32
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	You know, after thinking it over, I don't really have anything against Z-targeting (well, aside from automatic perfect accuracy with missile weapons, but that's just a nitpick). After having played a few games that both feature some such targeting/auto-face system and remain harder than nails ('Just Cause' and the 'Call of Duty' games spring to mind), I'm going to go ahead and just say that OoT was extremely, extremely easy. Very little challenging combat; I'm not some kind of psycho, and I see the value in curving the difficulty for new players, but they were wrong to make the enemies such sisters when it came to dealing damage. Seriously, some boss-monster the size of a house lamps Link one, you'd expect he'd lose a fat chunk of his life, not some dinky half-heart. Hell, back in the LoZ days, they weren't shy about throwing a group of Blue Lynels at you just in the overworld, nevermind the dungeons at all. WW, enemy damage is still a little nerfed, but at least you get some pitched battles--Link against a few Darknuts isn't anything to sneeze at. Not to mention, I liked running up against actual jerk enemies in the overworld. Like those helicopter-whale jobbers who ram you again just as you're getting back into your boat. Yeah, annoying, but you take challenge where you get it. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president Last edited by Booyakasha; 03-25-2008 at 02:29 PM.

03-25-2008, 07:39 PM	#33
Chunky Kong12345 BEEP BEEP I'M A JEEP Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ogmftwbqq Gender: Posts: 16,419 Thanks: 61 Thanked 210 Times in 153 Posts Points: 2,467.95 Bank: 82,146.48 Total Points: 84,614.43 Donate	God, I hated Seahats. With a passion.

03-25-2008, 08:08 PM	#34
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	They're called Seahats? ...shame on you, Ninty. I cuss your infernal punnery white-hot. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-25-2008, 10:18 PM	#35
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	I guess I can understand that. I agree, the overworld was pretty pathetic, but I love OoT's story and dungeons a lot. Whether or not that's carry-over from childhood I can't say, but either way, I love the game.

03-25-2008, 10:34 PM	#36
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	I appreciate OoT more now than I did when I was younger. To say it sucks based solely on difficulty is unjust; for all that it was an easy game, it was also a very polished and well-made one. I probably just wasn't the target audience, is all. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-26-2008, 12:01 AM	#37
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	So will I ever get you to re-try MM?

03-26-2008, 09:02 AM	#38
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,812 Thanks: 75 Thanked 340 Times in 221 Posts Points: 9,970.64 Bank: 20,637.07 Total Points: 30,607.71 Donate	Don't hold your breath. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

03-26-2008, 11:22 AM	#39
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,504 Thanks: 484 Thanked 634 Times in 374 Posts Points: 80,663.23 Bank: 94,554.82 Total Points: 175,218.05 Donate	Hah. I'm still convinced we can get you to give it another shot.

03-26-2008, 11:46 AM	#40
GRENTLEMEN Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 15,897 Thanks: 458 Thanked 1,158 Times in 630 Posts Points: 6,885.78 Bank: 1,830,360.28 Total Points: 1,837,246.06 Donate	I dunno. Boo probably dislikes MM as much as I do, knowing him. Last edited by GRENTLEMEN; 03-27-2008 at 08:39 AM.