How Stupid Are Kids These Days? - Page 2

**NintendoNut** · 03-20-2005, 07:40 AM

They seem to have totally dumbed down SM64 DS. Take the first fight with Bowser for example:

Bowser: Gwahahahahaha! You'll never be able to run to my back, press A, grab my tail, swing me round using the touch screen and press A whenever you want to throw me into one of those big bombs!! Gwahahahaha!

Fireyoshi42 · 03-20-2005, 10:59 AM

I think whoever came up with navi should get a kick in the gut too.When you listen to it all it says is remember to slash your sword you pressA or to talk press A

Codiekitty · 03-20-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Tigt is h00k3d 0n f0n/c$:
I kinda saw it with the 3-D Zelda games, that one guy who teaches you about fighting. Whatever happened to reading the manuals?

People only read manuals in the case of "I have absolutely no idea what this does, maybe it's in the manual". But nobody ever actually sits down with a manual and reads it from front to back.

Then the developers decide to program the manual (and lately the strategy guide, too) into the game instead of doing the traditional "Hey, if they want to figure it out for themselves and only glimpse at the manual if they have absolutely no idea what the Ring of Stars is for, more power to 'em. Or let's stick in a guy they can ask if they need to know how to order stuff." way of teaching the player how to play the game.

Another irritation about in-game tutorials is you have to sit through them whenever you replay the game. There was a house at the beginning of Final Fantasy 3/6 you could go into and ask around if you needed to know how the game worked. But if you already knew how to play, you could just skip the house entirely. If Final Fantasy 3/6 were made today, the man in the house would stop you as you tried to leave town and take you into the house and make you talk to everybody, then do several practice sessions and a quiz or two before finally being able to get on with it.

Okay, yes, some things need instructions. Usually minigames (such as the mine cart game in Mario & Luigi). But a lot of stuff games spill lately is garbage.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Koga · 03-20-2005, 04:05 PM

I actually do sit down and read a manual from front to back. Not before I play a new game, but usually on the same day.

Codiekitty · 03-20-2005, 04:10 PM

Yeah, well, you're weird.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

The Yoshimaster · 03-20-2005, 06:25 PM

I usually read parts of the manual when I get a game. It's a habit I got from when I was young, when getting a new game was a new and exciting thing that happened rarely. I would look at all the pretty pictures in the manual because they looked better than the fuzzy sprites on-screen, and read the intro story at the front of the manual because the story sometimes wasn't told in full in-game. Now, I have a huge collection of manuals that I keep for no apparent reason.

Digression aside, I never read the manual to find out how to play the game. That kind of stuff you can usually figure out on your own in the first ten seconds of gameplay. If not, there are always the in-game tutorials that lead you through the game by the hand.

Antisocial · 03-20-2005, 06:41 PM

I read manuals all the way to the warranty and seizure warnings. I don't care.

Fireyoshi42 · 03-20-2005, 07:35 PM

^Your weird too!

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-20-2005, 10:39 PM

I read 'em too.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 03-21-2005, 02:48 AM

Freaks.

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Koga · 03-21-2005, 05:58 AM

I actually kept all my manuals and original boxes for my games. Even for my GBC and GBA games.

Masamune · 03-21-2005, 10:08 AM

I read the story part, flip to the hero/enemy parts (if there is one), then that's it. If it a Mario or Zelda game, I'll probably subject it to scanning for the images inside.

Codiekitty · 03-21-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Koga:
I actually kept all my manuals and original boxes for my games. Even for my GBC and GBA games.

Me too, except I don't have the boxes to most of my GBC games (only because I bought most of them used). I store my GBA games in their boxes, and my GBC ones in plastic cases (their boxes are stored seperately). I only have one GBA game without its box; a Namco Museum I found in a Wal-Mart shopping cart. I have Lunar Legends stored seperate, because I bought it used and the box is pretty beat up.

About manuals, I read the story, maybe character bios, look at artwork, read a few notes here and there, then toss it aside and try to figure the game out for myself. Sometimes I pick the manual if I need to know what something does (I've gone through most of the Alundra manual tyring to figure out what the Gilded Falcons do, although the manual doesn't seem to contain anything on them). I have never sat down and read a manual from front to back.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[ March 21, 2005, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]

Fireyoshi42 · 03-21-2005, 04:18 PM

I should have expected this when I joined VGF.....

Daos · 03-21-2005, 05:34 PM

I also usually read the manual. Usually before I go to bed that night.

Super_Mario_1987 · 03-21-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Koga:
I agree that they have too much in-game hints in games these days. I also noticed it in Super Mario Sunshine.

It's amazing the intelligence level of the youth these days compared to when we were their age.

CB007 · 03-21-2005, 06:19 PM

I like to read game manuals, too.

With a game that's on the complex side, like a PC strategy game, I'll look at the basics before I start playing.

Otherwise, I'll play the game first but usually still read the instructions the same day. They can be interesting at times, and once in a while you pick up on something useful that you didn't already figure out on your own.

Fishmael · 03-21-2005, 06:27 PM

I also read manuals front to back. Usually, I want to know the hang of things before I play the game.

Fireyoshi42 · 03-21-2005, 08:56 PM

Woah...............

Koga · 03-22-2005, 06:12 AM

What the hell are you talking about, fireyoishi? If you don't have anything to say, don't post.

I've got a good example of how useful it can be to read a manual. A couple of week's ago, I was at a friend's and he had borrowed his brother's GameCube with Double Dash. I played it for a bit, showing off, and I took all the turns with blue flames. Everyone in the room asked me how I did it, so I explained it to them. They were all like, how the hell did you find that out? ...it's in the manual.

03-21-2005, 05:34 PM	#35
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03-20-2005, 07:40 AM	#21
NintendoNut NinNut Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hold on, I know this..... Gender: Posts: 8,298 Thanks: 84 Thanked 41 Times in 31 Posts Points: 49,397.76 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 49,397.76 Donate	They seem to have totally dumbed down SM64 DS. Take the first fight with Bowser for example: Bowser: Gwahahahahaha! You'll never be able to run to my back, press A, grab my tail, swing me round using the touch screen and press A whenever you want to throw me into one of those big bombs!! Gwahahahaha!

03-20-2005, 10:59 AM	#22
Fireyoshi42 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: All I know is that I was made in China. Posts: 1,822 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 6,596.57 Bank: 796.33 Total Points: 7,392.90 Donate	I think whoever came up with navi should get a kick in the gut too.When you listen to it all it says is remember to slash your sword you pressA or to talk press A

03-20-2005, 04:05 PM	#24
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,261.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,122.99 Donate	I actually do sit down and read a manual from front to back. Not before I play a new game, but usually on the same day.

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03-20-2005, 06:25 PM	#26
The Yoshimaster Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Forest of Illusion Gender: Posts: 1,165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,782.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,282.00 Donate	I usually read parts of the manual when I get a game. It's a habit I got from when I was young, when getting a new game was a new and exciting thing that happened rarely. I would look at all the pretty pictures in the manual because they looked better than the fuzzy sprites on-screen, and read the intro story at the front of the manual because the story sometimes wasn't told in full in-game. Now, I have a huge collection of manuals that I keep for no apparent reason. Digression aside, I never read the manual to find out how to play the game. That kind of stuff you can usually figure out on your own in the first ten seconds of gameplay. If not, there are always the in-game tutorials that lead you through the game by the hand.

03-20-2005, 06:41 PM	#27
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Fireyoshi42 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: All I know is that I was made in China. Posts: 1,822 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 6,596.57 Bank: 796.33 Total Points: 7,392.90 Donate	^Your weird too!

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03-21-2005, 05:58 AM	#31
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,261.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,122.99 Donate	I actually kept all my manuals and original boxes for my games. Even for my GBC and GBA games.

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Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indiana Gender: Posts: 4,935 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,299.46 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,809.46 Donate	I read the story part, flip to the hero/enemy parts (if there is one), then that's it. If it a Mario or Zelda game, I'll probably subject it to scanning for the images inside.

03-21-2005, 04:18 PM	#34
Fireyoshi42 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: All I know is that I was made in China. Posts: 1,822 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 6,596.57 Bank: 796.33 Total Points: 7,392.90 Donate	I should have expected this when I joined VGF.....

03-21-2005, 06:19 PM	#37
CB007 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 805.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,305.00 Donate	I like to read game manuals, too. With a game that's on the complex side, like a PC strategy game, I'll look at the basics before I start playing. Otherwise, I'll play the game first but usually still read the instructions the same day. They can be interesting at times, and once in a while you pick up on something useful that you didn't already figure out on your own.

03-21-2005, 06:27 PM	#38
Fishmael Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Palmdale, California Posts: 3,226 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,718.64 Bank: 1,608.43 Total Points: 5,327.07 Donate	I also read manuals front to back. Usually, I want to know the hang of things before I play the game.

03-21-2005, 08:56 PM	#39
Fireyoshi42 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: All I know is that I was made in China. Posts: 1,822 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 6,596.57 Bank: 796.33 Total Points: 7,392.90 Donate	Woah...............

03-22-2005, 06:12 AM	#40
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,261.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,122.99 Donate	What the hell are you talking about, fireyoishi? If you don't have anything to say, don't post. I've got a good example of how useful it can be to read a manual. A couple of week's ago, I was at a friend's and he had borrowed his brother's GameCube with Double Dash. I played it for a bit, showing off, and I took all the turns with blue flames. Everyone in the room asked me how I did it, so I explained it to them. They were all like, how the hell did you find that out? ...it's in the manual.