How Stupid Are Kids These Days? - VGF

Codiekitty · 03-15-2005, 02:04 PM

Scenario 1: Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green
They added this option where you see a flashback of what you did in case you don't remember what you did yestreday, and they set the R and L buttons to pull up a help menu rather than make searching your boxes more user friendly.

Scenario 2: Pikmin 2
In the first Pikmin, you were essentially left to figure stuff out for yourself with some comments from Olimar. Here, you've got a computer that has to explain every little itty bitty thing to you. About 85% of it is all stuff you should remember from the first Pikmin, and another 14% of it is stuff you could have figured out through a little experimenting. Whenever a boss drops an item, it feels the need to talk about "Oh, what a great fight, blahblahblah oh a treasure! I wonder what it does blahblahblah". I'm over twenty video game days into the game, and the damn thing is STILL talking!

Scenario 3: Minish Cap
I think most people playing this already know what a rupee is, Capcom...

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-15-2005, 02:59 PM

Oh, I thought you had gotten wind of this year's Kids' Choice nominees, which are just as retarded.

Wait, they seriously explain what a rupee is? [img]graemlins/lol.gif[/img]

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Codiekitty · 03-15-2005, 03:31 PM

Yup, and they even explain each color.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

X-3 · 03-15-2005, 04:15 PM

1: I never use it.

2: No comments.

3: Didnt they do that before? (If not, no reason to)

Koga · 03-15-2005, 05:43 PM

I agree that they have too much in-game hints in games these days. I also noticed it in Super Mario Sunshine.

The Yoshimaster · 03-15-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by CodieKitty:
Yup, and they even explain each color.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

They have for like the past four Zelda games. Although, I do agree, it is annoying.

[sage] · 03-15-2005, 11:03 PM

Ya... some game's tutorials are ridiculously long.

Link2000 · 03-16-2005, 12:14 AM

It's mainly on Gamecube games, and started a couple of years back when they decided to make their games "simpler" and "targeted to casual gamers." I hope to god that they don't go overboard on Revolution like this.

OcarinaMan · 03-16-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by CodieKitty:
Yup, and they even explain each color.

You got a Blue Rupee! It's worth 5 Rupees! That's just great!

They did that in LttP, WW, OoT, and MM, didn't they?

Sonic 5 · 03-16-2005, 01:10 AM

1.In case I don't remember what I did YESTERDAY?You're kidding,right?

2.Always lame when the boss blabs and blabs for three days about what exactly you're supposed to do with this item.Even lamer when the game tells ya exactly what to do.I think I'm capable of figuring out what to do without having to sit through a long tutorial or something.

3.The rupee explanation...ALWAYS a a pain.I already know what they are,I've known for the last what is it...9,10 years?

OcarinaMan · 03-16-2005, 01:15 AM

1. Stuff like that is handy for long absences, but yesterday?

Beam Yosho the Drunkard · 03-16-2005, 01:30 AM

And you've forgotten the annoying Navi.

Especially during the Great Deku Tree level.

Chunky Kong12345 · 03-16-2005, 08:56 AM

Metroid Prime and 2 don't seem to give that many hints.

Koga · 03-16-2005, 11:29 AM

^ are you kidding? They've got an entire hint system. Fortunately you can turn it off (which I did). I think more games should have that option.

Tub-O-Troopa · 03-16-2005, 12:29 PM

Games as a whole have gotten much easier, but in some cases it's ridiculous. They either assume you have no common sense, or no puzzle solving ability.

Minish Cap was chock full of unnecessary advice and hints.

Codiekitty · 03-16-2005, 07:51 PM

What was really dumb about the Pokemon flashback thing was that it recorded asinine things like buying stuff from the stores. That means you could bump out all your important things like defeating a gym leader just by buying some potions, Pokeballs, and other crap.

About the rupee explanation questions, I think it only did it once, when you picked up your very first rupee. Although OoT may have done it for each color. I don't know.

Either way, we really should know what a rupee is by now and it should be omitted completely. If they want to do it for the newcomers, just display the info when you first pick up the rupee. Not explain each color once you pick it up.

I totally forgot about Metroid Fusion's computer that lead you through the game by the nose. Whoever brainstormed that needs a kick in the gut.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

[ March 16, 2005, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]

X-3 · 03-16-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Koga:
^ are you kidding? They've got an entire hint system. Fortunately you can turn it off (which I did). I think more games should have that option.

In MP2, I must admit that the hint system is rare- many leope dont like that.

The Yoshimaster · 03-16-2005, 09:25 PM

One instance of excessive tutorial is in the Minish Cap. I don't know about anyone else, but I found the training dojo or sensei or whatever it was to be a huge waste of time. It seems as if they put that training guy (or guys) in there only so the Minish Cap could look more like its big brother, the Wind Waker, where that guy was actually useful. Whereas training to learn how to counter-attack certain moves in tWW was useful, I don't need to spend five minutes in a training room in tMC learning how to OMXG LERN 2 BRAEK JARS WIF TEH SOWRD111

masterpokey · 03-19-2005, 02:10 PM

can you blame them? i mean 95% of the population buys anything that looks good without a second thought.

thunt · 03-20-2005, 03:46 AM

I kinda saw it with the 3-D Zelda games, that one guy who teaches you about fighting. Whatever happened to reading the manuals?

03-15-2005, 02:04 PM	#1
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03-15-2005, 02:59 PM	#2
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03-15-2005, 03:31 PM	#3
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,758.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,209.46 Donate	Yup, and they even explain each color. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

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X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,068 Thanks: 265 Thanked 280 Times in 209 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 6,703.10 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 6,703.10 Donate	1: I never use it. 2: No comments. 3: Didnt they do that before? (If not, no reason to)

03-15-2005, 05:43 PM	#5
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	I agree that they have too much in-game hints in games these days. I also noticed it in Super Mario Sunshine.

03-15-2005, 11:03 PM	#7
[sage] Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Florida Gender: Posts: 18,022 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 30,500.64 Bank: 541.22 Total Points: 31,041.86 Donate	Ya... some game's tutorials are ridiculously long.

03-16-2005, 12:14 AM	#8
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 15,842.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 16,646.37 Donate	It's mainly on Gamecube games, and started a couple of years back when they decided to make their games "simpler" and "targeted to casual gamers." I hope to god that they don't go overboard on Revolution like this.

03-16-2005, 01:10 AM	#10
Sonic 5 Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Flowerbud Village Gender: Posts: 2,043 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Points: 998.71 Bank: 0.41 Total Points: 999.12 Donate	1.In case I don't remember what I did YESTERDAY?You're kidding,right? 2.Always lame when the boss blabs and blabs for three days about what exactly you're supposed to do with this item.Even lamer when the game tells ya exactly what to do.I think I'm capable of figuring out what to do without having to sit through a long tutorial or something. 3.The rupee explanation...ALWAYS a a pain.I already know what they are,I've known for the last what is it...9,10 years?

03-16-2005, 01:15 AM	#11
OcarinaMan Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ikana Castle Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 7,933.77 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 8,433.77 Donate	1. Stuff like that is handy for long absences, but yesterday?

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03-16-2005, 11:29 AM	#14
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,093 Thanks: 104 Thanked 176 Times in 118 Posts Points: 104,466.41 Bank: 17,752.41 Total Points: 122,218.82 Donate	^ are you kidding? They've got an entire hint system. Fortunately you can turn it off (which I did). I think more games should have that option.

03-16-2005, 12:29 PM	#15
Tub-O-Troopa Do Not Feed or Poke Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Under your bed Gender: Posts: 37,114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 10,096.33 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 10,596.33 Donate	Games as a whole have gotten much easier, but in some cases it's ridiculous. They either assume you have no common sense, or no puzzle solving ability. Minish Cap was chock full of unnecessary advice and hints.

03-16-2005, 07:51 PM	#16
Codiekitty Just Another Face in Red Jumpsuit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lemmingland Gender: Posts: 19,143 Thanks: 121 Thanked 173 Times in 119 Posts Points: 43,758.72 Bank: 3,021,450.74 Total Points: 3,065,209.46 Donate	What was really dumb about the Pokemon flashback thing was that it recorded asinine things like buying stuff from the stores. That means you could bump out all your important things like defeating a gym leader just by buying some potions, Pokeballs, and other crap. About the rupee explanation questions, I think it only did it once, when you picked up your very first rupee. Although OoT may have done it for each color. I don't know. Either way, we really should know what a rupee is by now and it should be omitted completely. If they want to do it for the newcomers, just display the info when you first pick up the rupee. Not explain each color once you pick it up. I totally forgot about Metroid Fusion's computer that lead you through the game by the nose. Whoever brainstormed that needs a kick in the gut. Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there! [ March 16, 2005, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: CodieKitty ]

03-16-2005, 09:25 PM	#18
The Yoshimaster Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Forest of Illusion Gender: Posts: 1,166 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,584.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,084.00 Donate	One instance of excessive tutorial is in the Minish Cap. I don't know about anyone else, but I found the training dojo or sensei or whatever it was to be a huge waste of time. It seems as if they put that training guy (or guys) in there only so the Minish Cap could look more like its big brother, the Wind Waker, where that guy was actually useful. Whereas training to learn how to counter-attack certain moves in tWW was useful, I don't need to spend five minutes in a training room in tMC learning how to OMXG LERN 2 BRAEK JARS WIF TEH SOWRD111

03-19-2005, 02:10 PM	#19
masterpokey Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Batcave Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 834.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,334.00 Donate	can you blame them? i mean 95% of the population buys anything that looks good without a second thought.

03-20-2005, 03:46 AM	#20
thunt Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!!! :punch: Gender: Posts: 1,117 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 4,371.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,871.00 Donate	I kinda saw it with the 3-D Zelda games, that one guy who teaches you about fighting. Whatever happened to reading the manuals?