omg revolution! - Page 2

Koga · 05-18-2005, 09:17 AM

I'm not sure, but wouldn't it be extremely difficult to get all the licenses for games Nintendo didn't publish?

Still, if it's only Nintendo published games it's still a lot. Check out Nintendo Database for all the Nintendo published titles (Demon World is one of them, Codie).

Super N · 05-18-2005, 03:44 PM

^^Yeah, free games, I would doubt it. But it's possible. Not likely, but possible.

^I'd say something that would be worthy of describing the new...news, but I'm a Christian. And all the non-swear words I can think of, my mom won't let me use...

I need to ask dad for permission about more things...

Anyway,I think I've got something..."THAT RULEZ!" No. How about "Suh-weet, bay-bee!" No. How about...

Koga · 05-18-2005, 04:46 PM

I never understood why God doesn't like swearwords. Sometimes swearing is good.

"Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" "Yes I do.... you bastard."

Link2000 · 05-18-2005, 07:28 PM

I'm pretty sure that there's nothing in the bible that talks against swearing.

Dark Magus · 05-18-2005, 07:35 PM

reggie is going 2 hell 4 saynig "kicking azz".

darkintention · 05-18-2005, 09:34 PM

The backwards downloads is obviously the most interesting thing for the Rev right now. Obviously, we've only seen the machine...I'll wait for the controller and some preliminary games before I pass final judgement.

OcarinaMan · 05-18-2005, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link2000:
I'm pretty sure that there's nothing in the bible that talks against swearing.

The only reason swearing is bad is because people have decided that certain words are offensive. It all seems completely arbitrary to me.

Koga · 05-19-2005, 02:19 AM

When they should actually be worried about expressions like "Oh my God" and "Jeez", because that's taking the Lord's name in vain and thus breaking a commandment.

Mariosrpg89 · 05-19-2005, 07:29 AM

Actually when I was watching E3 on Gamespot, Iwata said every single game developed for previous systems.

Masamune · 05-19-2005, 08:29 AM

I imagine it will have most Nintendo licenced games, but will gradually offer more as other old-timer publishers decide that it's a good money-maker. I wonder if this downloading games for a cost will be that which funds the 'free' online service Nintendo boasts.

The cost of having them on a server to download and pay for won't make games too expensive, charging them for minimal fees would cover the 'server costs'. So when you consider these are already existing games Nintendo does NOT have to make, then it all falls into place by charging a rate of like 5-10 bucks a game (or more), to churn a profit, pay for the downloading server, and maybe even the free online service. After all, they don't have to rework these games. The Revolution merely needs to have a built in NES/SNES/N64 emulator to play these games. Then they basically just have to have ROMs that are available to download.

In theory, it's also a good deterrent for emulation. Arguments that 'X game is no longer for sale, so emulation is my only choice' becomes moot when those games are available to download legally on a solid system to play on.

[ May 19, 2005, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: Masamune ]

***CaptHayfever*** · 05-19-2005, 09:52 AM

^^^^ & ^^^Exactly. (Although really "God" isn't God's name, but that's another matter entirely)

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Codiekitty · 05-19-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Masamune:
I imagine it will have most Nintendo licenced games, but will gradually offer more as other old-timer publishers decide that it's a good money-maker.

This brings up another question...

What about the companies that no longer exist? Data East is dead, leaving games like Bad Dudes and Karnov orphaned. Will Nintendo just pick these up and give them a job, or will they never see themselves on this thing?

I'd say Sunsoft too, but they're only dead everywhere outside of Japan. What with Nintendo being Japanese, they have somebody to talk to.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Masamune · 05-19-2005, 12:42 PM

Everything belongs to somebody, it's just a matter of talking to the right people.

thunt · 05-19-2005, 01:11 PM

Yes. I own the world. Talk to me, and I'll laugh.

The Missing Link · 05-20-2005, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Masamune:
The cost of having them on a server to download and pay for won't make games too expensive, charging them for minimal fees would cover the 'server costs'. So when you consider these are already existing games Nintendo does NOT have to make, then it all falls into place by charging a rate of like 5-10 bucks a game (or more), to churn a profit, pay for the downloading server, and maybe even the free online service. After all, they don't have to rework these games. The Revolution merely needs to have a built in NES/SNES/N64 emulator to play these games. Then they basically just have to have ROMs that are available to download.

It's a good argument, Masa, but I have to disagree on one point.

Nintendo globally may be in second place, but in the US, they are in third. They've got a lot of ground to catch up in order to knock either Sony or M'soft beneath them, and where they have succeeded is in the primarily older demographic. Nintendo knows full well that they have to do something and do it big.

That's where the virtual console comes in--bring in the old-school gamers with the old-school games. The problem is that the hard-core folk still have their old systems lying around and could play it just as easily in there. Sort of the I-paid-for-this-game-once-and-I'm-not-doing-it-again mentality. Because of this, I think they'll give them out for free just to give them that much more of a boost. While a virtual console isn't the only adjustment Nintendo needs to make to attract the older crowd, offering them all free is one hell of a start.

In another frame of reference, even offering them free will be a deterrent to emulation. There are two really purposes of emulation. The first one, the more rare one, stands as a challenge to computer whizzes to actually make an emulator that will match the functionality of a black-box system. The second and much more prominent one is the cost advantage of emulation. Free versus not-free. You want to knock emulation out of the water? Make a cost-point that competes. What can beat free? Free AND well-done. If this emulator does what the N64 emulators could not and be globally compatible with all games and be free, what purpose is there for emulation? Okay, sure, there are the non-Nintendo licensed games, but as you said, slowly they'll come on board, either free or cheap. Either way, it's good all the way around.

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Masamune · 05-21-2005, 07:36 AM

I imagine they will have a variety of free games. But ultimately, there is no way Nintendo can have several servers running onlines games and offering a downloading service. Somewhere people have to pay for things. And the population of old skool gamers who are going to have these games are going to be in the minority. And how many would like to stop blowing in their NES cartridge and jiggling it around and play it on their Revolution instead?

Having it free is a great deterrent to emulation, but so would iTunes offering mp3s for free deter illegal mp3 sites. Neither is going to happen.

Codiekitty · 05-21-2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Missing Link:
The problem is that the hard-core folk still have their old systems lying around and could play it just as easily in there. Sort of the I-paid-for-this-game-once-and-I'm-not-doing-it-again mentality.

Tell that to the people who spat up the money for those overpriced NES Classics games.

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

Link2000 · 05-21-2005, 07:58 AM

Masa, Nintendo won't be running dedicated servers for their online games. The person with the best connection in each game that you play will act as the server.

Codiekitty · 05-21-2005, 08:03 AM

Isn't that how a Bittorrent works?

Where are these lemmings going? The Super Nintendo Super Shire! Hop in line and follow them there!

The Missing Link · 05-21-2005, 09:25 AM

But what percentage of us actually go out and will still spend $70 on FFII, Codie?

^ And yes, sort of. If it functions on BitTorrent, everyone acts as a server and distributes certain portions (seeds) of any given file.

"There are some who call me... Link?"

"Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!)
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ザ行方不明リンク
悪いユウモアの賢人

05-18-2005, 09:17 AM	#21
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,259.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,120.99 Donate	I'm not sure, but wouldn't it be extremely difficult to get all the licenses for games Nintendo didn't publish? Still, if it's only Nintendo published games it's still a lot. Check out Nintendo Database for all the Nintendo published titles (Demon World is one of them, Codie).

05-18-2005, 03:44 PM	#22
Super N Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A secret underground base near your house Posts: 1,663 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 11,061.50 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 11,561.50 Donate	^^Yeah, free games, I would doubt it. But it's possible. Not likely, but possible. ^I'd say something that would be worthy of describing the new...news, but I'm a Christian. And all the non-swear words I can think of, my mom won't let me use... I need to ask dad for permission about more things... Anyway,I think I've got something..."THAT RULEZ!" No. How about "Suh-weet, bay-bee!" No. How about...

05-18-2005, 04:46 PM	#23
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,259.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,120.99 Donate	I never understood why God doesn't like swearwords. Sometimes swearing is good. "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?" "Yes I do.... you bastard."

05-18-2005, 07:28 PM	#24
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 17,434.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 18,238.37 Donate	I'm pretty sure that there's nothing in the bible that talks against swearing.

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Dark Magus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 6,260 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 2,107.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 2,607.00 Donate	reggie is going 2 hell 4 saynig "kicking azz".

05-18-2005, 09:34 PM	#26
darkintention Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,394 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,240.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,740.00 Donate	The backwards downloads is obviously the most interesting thing for the Rev right now. Obviously, we've only seen the machine...I'll wait for the controller and some preliminary games before I pass final judgement.

05-19-2005, 02:19 AM	#28
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,259.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,120.99 Donate	When they should actually be worried about expressions like "Oh my God" and "Jeez", because that's taking the Lord's name in vain and thus breaking a commandment.

05-19-2005, 07:29 AM	#29
Mariosrpg89 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mario's Pad Gender: Posts: 3,194 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 12,105.13 Bank: 552.26 Total Points: 12,657.39 Donate	Actually when I was watching E3 on Gamespot, Iwata said every single game developed for previous systems.

05-19-2005, 08:29 AM	#30
Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indiana Gender: Posts: 4,935 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,299.46 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,809.46 Donate	I imagine it will have most Nintendo licenced games, but will gradually offer more as other old-timer publishers decide that it's a good money-maker. I wonder if this downloading games for a cost will be that which funds the 'free' online service Nintendo boasts. The cost of having them on a server to download and pay for won't make games too expensive, charging them for minimal fees would cover the 'server costs'. So when you consider these are already existing games Nintendo does NOT have to make, then it all falls into place by charging a rate of like 5-10 bucks a game (or more), to churn a profit, pay for the downloading server, and maybe even the free online service. After all, they don't have to rework these games. The Revolution merely needs to have a built in NES/SNES/N64 emulator to play these games. Then they basically just have to have ROMs that are available to download. In theory, it's also a good deterrent for emulation. Arguments that 'X game is no longer for sale, so emulation is my only choice' becomes moot when those games are available to download legally on a solid system to play on. [ May 19, 2005, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: Masamune ]

05-19-2005, 09:52 AM	#31
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05-19-2005, 12:42 PM	#33
Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indiana Gender: Posts: 4,935 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,299.46 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,809.46 Donate	Everything belongs to somebody, it's just a matter of talking to the right people.

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05-21-2005, 07:36 AM	#36
Masamune Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indiana Gender: Posts: 4,935 Thanks: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts Points: 2,299.46 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 2,809.46 Donate	I imagine they will have a variety of free games. But ultimately, there is no way Nintendo can have several servers running onlines games and offering a downloading service. Somewhere people have to pay for things. And the population of old skool gamers who are going to have these games are going to be in the minority. And how many would like to stop blowing in their NES cartridge and jiggling it around and play it on their Revolution instead? Having it free is a great deterrent to emulation, but so would iTunes offering mp3s for free deter illegal mp3 sites. Neither is going to happen.

05-21-2005, 07:58 AM	#38
Link2000 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Ontario, Canada Gender: Posts: 8,052 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 17,434.15 Bank: 804.22 Total Points: 18,238.37 Donate	Masa, Nintendo won't be running dedicated servers for their online games. The person with the best connection in each game that you play will act as the server.

05-21-2005, 08:03 AM	#39
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05-21-2005, 09:25 AM	#40
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,755 Thanks: 108 Thanked 317 Times in 215 Posts Points: 17,573.91 Bank: 154,938.35 Total Points: 172,512.26 Donate	But what percentage of us actually go out and will still spend $70 on FFII, Codie? ^ And yes, sort of. If it functions on BitTorrent, everyone acts as a server and distributes certain portions (seeds) of any given file. "There are some who call me... Link?" "Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!) Zelda: The Grand Adventures \| Triforce MUCK ザ行方不明リンク悪いユウモアの賢人