WWE Predictions/Discussion

DK · 02-27-2006, 05:05 PM

RAW is just around the corner. Anyone want to comment?

Bringing back Marty was a good move IMO. Judging from the "Rockers Reunion" on RAW about a year ago, he can still get it done.

Cena vs. Triple H... **sigh**

WrestleMania is seriously going to blow.

Mark Prior · 02-27-2006, 05:20 PM

WWE is the plague of wrestling. if you truly like wrestling, you will support TNA and ROH.

this is not a troll post. i am serious.

DK · 02-27-2006, 05:23 PM

Nor will it be treated as one.

I also follow TNA, but not so much RoH.

Shadowking · 02-27-2006, 06:42 PM

I used to follow TNA, but I can't seem to force myself to stay up that late most of the time. TNA is much better then WWE, from what I've seen.
I've never really followed RoH.
I think Edge would have made a great champion, if Vince and the gang would have let him stay on top of the ladder for a while longer.
What do you guys think about the Money in the Bank match Carlito has planned? I hope it's another Ladder Match, because last year's was my favorite match on the whole WM21 card.

DK · 02-27-2006, 06:59 PM

Personally, I despise the "Money in the Bank" concept. I would rather just have an old-fashioned #1 contender match.

Platinum · 02-27-2006, 07:57 PM

I agree, #1 contender matchs are the way to go. There needs to be more controlled system

Shadowking · 02-28-2006, 03:19 PM

Number one contender matches are definitely good, but they have more limiting storyline potential, and keep the fan base speculating less. Basically:
RVD wins a #1 contenders match at WM22, and from there goes on to face either John Cena or HHH at Backlash.
OR
RVD wins a Money-in-the-Bank match at WM22, and can use his shot anytime throughout the year, up to and including WM23. This allows much more variety in storyline, as he could have the opportunity to fight several different champions, still have a feud before he cashes in, have a feud in which he might lose the contract, etc. The storyline can be much more complicated, and no one will be able to truly predict results ahead of time.
However, Money-in-the-Bank shots seem to favor Heels a lot, as cashing one in after the champ wins a bloody match is an excellent way to draw exceptional heel heat, as proven by Edge. However, it is extremely difficult to effectively use one to draw a larger pop then you could get without it.
This rant brought to you by the pro-MitB commission.

DK · 02-28-2006, 04:39 PM

Exactly. The Edge scenario made him appear to be a weak champion (i.e. he only won because Cena wrestled in the Chamber, hence he has put Cena over repeatedly since then.) and, overall, hurt his reign. A prestigious championship needs to be won in a legitimate match. The fact that Edge won using Money in the Bank immediately following the Elimination Chamber, although it drew plenty of heat, made his title reign almost as much of a joke as that of David Arquette.

Perhaps if the Money in the Bank shot weren't to go into effect immediately, like it did at NYR, the concept would be much better. For example, the winner cashes in a week or two in advance. This prevents the ridiculous swerve that can do nothing but hurt the status of whoever is involved. Chances are Edge won't be getting another run at the title. He joins the likes of Jericho and Benoit, those who get the shot they deserve then have it pulled away prematurely, never getting a fair chance at getting back to the top.

Shadowking · 02-28-2006, 05:58 PM

Benoit and Jericho, indeed. Jericho was one of my favorite wrestlers since I started watching, and I always believed Benoit deserved more. I didn't like Edge at first, but he grew on me. All of them deserve more title shots, or a better reign, or both. Moreover, Cena especially does not deserve his championship. He was cool as the US champion for a while, and his WWE title reign started off ok. But now all he is accomplishing is small doses of X-Pac heat.

I also believe that this years MitB shot will definitely go to RVD. They've been pushing him insanely since he returned, Flair's too old, and Benjamin's a sad excuse for a heel. But RVD, as a face, won't be able to get as much out of his shot as Benjamin could.

I would love to see, sometime after WM22, the titles re-unified. That would be something.

DK · 02-28-2006, 06:45 PM

Call me crazy, but I would love to see Flair get one more run. The guy deserves it.

Shadowking · 03-03-2006, 08:11 PM

Ok, DK; You're crazy. The only cool thing Ric Flair does in the ring as opposed to on the mic, In my opinion, is turning his hair neon pink when he bleeds. That's pretty cool.
Most guys his age couldn't do this at all. I'll give him that. But that's because guys his age have no business doing this. I'm afraid one of these days I'll be watching RAW, and the guy will take a bump wrong and die.

Platinum · 03-03-2006, 08:58 PM

I see where DK is comeing from, I think he should get another shot 2. You never know how long he will be in the business. But he's not going to take a bump wrong.

DK · 03-04-2006, 10:19 AM

Yeah, but Ric Flair has a longevity in wrestling that rivals that of Michael Jordan to basketball, Jerry Rice to football, etc. Why would you not give Flair one last run to close out his career and to reward him for competing with so much passion at 57? Oldest heavyweight champion in WWE history. Know who has that distinction right now? Vince McMahon. Vince ****ing McMahon. Who deserves it more - Flair or McMahon?

Darunia00 · 03-04-2006, 06:25 PM

All things considered, this WM could be as bad as 11 (football players as main event). Vince really needs to take a frim stance with HHH and not let him run things just because he's the son-in-law. Also, Cena needs to be away from the title ASAP. Let him learn to wrestle, build up some feuds with some other young performers like Carlito & Masters. Give him another title shot in two years.

Also: Tim White thing on the website is a big problem. But that's just me.

Shadowking · 03-04-2006, 07:36 PM

I don't even bother looking at the Tim White thing. I view it as very disrespectful, but that's just because my life went down the gutter for a few years after my Aunt commited suicide.

Anyway, Trips would probably make a good storyline writer, if he weren't involved in every single one of them! Personally, I think that HHH vs Edge at WM22 would have been a pretty good title match, because although Trips only gets most of his matches through his backstage pull, he still manages to make them entertaining.

QUICK EDIT: Marty Janetty's gone. Again.

Darunia00 · 03-05-2006, 12:14 AM

The problem in a situation like this is that there is no clear-cut audience favorite. Clearly the WWE wants us to pull for Cena, but most of the guys in the audience (which is about 60-70 percent of a live crowd at any given taping) are totally over Cena and his dumb gimmick. Just look at last week's Raw, where the crowd was laughing and even applauding HHH's jokes about Cena sucking. In the really good WM main events, the crowd is remembered for being split and caring a great deal about the outcome (Hogan-Andre, Stone Cold-Rock, Rock-Hogan), whereas here it'll likely be split between people who don't want to see an eleventh title for Hunter or what will be essentially a year long reign for Cena. It's just so brutal.

All you need to know about this year's WM is that when Vince announced his match against HBK, there was nary a stir from the crowd. That's a bad thing heading into the most important event of the year. Hopefully it gets turned around quickly, but I'm not too hopeful at this point.

DK · 03-05-2006, 05:33 PM

Yeah, there is such little interest in it this year. For the first time in 8 years, I could care less about Mania.

Platinum · 03-05-2006, 07:02 PM

Yea, There is nothing really big. Most of the guys havn't been in the bisness for a long time. So no one really knows how to react.

Mark Prior · 03-09-2006, 12:24 AM

if Matt Hardy is not in the Money in the Bank match this year, it's going to suck. It would be logical to stick a guy who made his name on TLC matches to be in this.

02-27-2006, 05:05 PM	#1
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	WWE Predictions/Discussion RAW is just around the corner. Anyone want to comment? Bringing back Marty was a good move IMO. Judging from the "Rockers Reunion" on RAW about a year ago, he can still get it done. Cena vs. Triple H... sigh WrestleMania is seriously going to blow.

02-27-2006, 05:20 PM	#2
Mark Prior Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 305 Thanks: 21 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	WWE is the plague of wrestling. if you truly like wrestling, you will support TNA and ROH. this is not a troll post. i am serious.

02-27-2006, 05:23 PM	#3
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Nor will it be treated as one. I also follow TNA, but not so much RoH.

02-27-2006, 06:42 PM	#4
Shadowking Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I used to follow TNA, but I can't seem to force myself to stay up that late most of the time. TNA is much better then WWE, from what I've seen. I've never really followed RoH. I think Edge would have made a great champion, if Vince and the gang would have let him stay on top of the ladder for a while longer. What do you guys think about the Money in the Bank match Carlito has planned? I hope it's another Ladder Match, because last year's was my favorite match on the whole WM21 card.

02-27-2006, 06:59 PM	#5
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Personally, I despise the "Money in the Bank" concept. I would rather just have an old-fashioned #1 contender match.

02-27-2006, 07:57 PM	#6
Platinum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wv Gender: Posts: 1,369 Thanks: 48 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts	I agree, #1 contender matchs are the way to go. There needs to be more controlled system

02-28-2006, 03:19 PM	#7
Shadowking Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Number one contender matches are definitely good, but they have more limiting storyline potential, and keep the fan base speculating less. Basically: RVD wins a #1 contenders match at WM22, and from there goes on to face either John Cena or HHH at Backlash. OR RVD wins a Money-in-the-Bank match at WM22, and can use his shot anytime throughout the year, up to and including WM23. This allows much more variety in storyline, as he could have the opportunity to fight several different champions, still have a feud before he cashes in, have a feud in which he might lose the contract, etc. The storyline can be much more complicated, and no one will be able to truly predict results ahead of time. However, Money-in-the-Bank shots seem to favor Heels a lot, as cashing one in after the champ wins a bloody match is an excellent way to draw exceptional heel heat, as proven by Edge. However, it is extremely difficult to effectively use one to draw a larger pop then you could get without it. This rant brought to you by the pro-MitB commission.

02-28-2006, 04:39 PM	#8
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Exactly. The Edge scenario made him appear to be a weak champion (i.e. he only won because Cena wrestled in the Chamber, hence he has put Cena over repeatedly since then.) and, overall, hurt his reign. A prestigious championship needs to be won in a legitimate match. The fact that Edge won using Money in the Bank immediately following the Elimination Chamber, although it drew plenty of heat, made his title reign almost as much of a joke as that of David Arquette. Perhaps if the Money in the Bank shot weren't to go into effect immediately, like it did at NYR, the concept would be much better. For example, the winner cashes in a week or two in advance. This prevents the ridiculous swerve that can do nothing but hurt the status of whoever is involved. Chances are Edge won't be getting another run at the title. He joins the likes of Jericho and Benoit, those who get the shot they deserve then have it pulled away prematurely, never getting a fair chance at getting back to the top.

02-28-2006, 05:58 PM	#9
Shadowking Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Benoit and Jericho, indeed. Jericho was one of my favorite wrestlers since I started watching, and I always believed Benoit deserved more. I didn't like Edge at first, but he grew on me. All of them deserve more title shots, or a better reign, or both. Moreover, Cena especially does not deserve his championship. He was cool as the US champion for a while, and his WWE title reign started off ok. But now all he is accomplishing is small doses of X-Pac heat. I also believe that this years MitB shot will definitely go to RVD. They've been pushing him insanely since he returned, Flair's too old, and Benjamin's a sad excuse for a heel. But RVD, as a face, won't be able to get as much out of his shot as Benjamin could. I would love to see, sometime after WM22, the titles re-unified. That would be something.

02-28-2006, 06:45 PM	#10
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Call me crazy, but I would love to see Flair get one more run. The guy deserves it.

03-03-2006, 08:11 PM	#11
Shadowking Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, DK; You're crazy. The only cool thing Ric Flair does in the ring as opposed to on the mic, In my opinion, is turning his hair neon pink when he bleeds. That's pretty cool. Most guys his age couldn't do this at all. I'll give him that. But that's because guys his age have no business doing this. I'm afraid one of these days I'll be watching RAW, and the guy will take a bump wrong and die.

03-03-2006, 08:58 PM	#12
Platinum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wv Gender: Posts: 1,369 Thanks: 48 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts	I see where DK is comeing from, I think he should get another shot 2. You never know how long he will be in the business. But he's not going to take a bump wrong.

03-04-2006, 10:19 AM	#13
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Yeah, but Ric Flair has a longevity in wrestling that rivals that of Michael Jordan to basketball, Jerry Rice to football, etc. Why would you not give Flair one last run to close out his career and to reward him for competing with so much passion at 57? Oldest heavyweight champion in WWE history. Know who has that distinction right now? Vince McMahon. Vince ****ing McMahon. Who deserves it more - Flair or McMahon?

03-04-2006, 06:25 PM	#14
Darunia00 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Boston Gender: Posts: 4,318 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	All things considered, this WM could be as bad as 11 (football players as main event). Vince really needs to take a frim stance with HHH and not let him run things just because he's the son-in-law. Also, Cena needs to be away from the title ASAP. Let him learn to wrestle, build up some feuds with some other young performers like Carlito & Masters. Give him another title shot in two years. Also: Tim White thing on the website is a big problem. But that's just me.

03-04-2006, 07:36 PM	#15
Shadowking Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,935 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't even bother looking at the Tim White thing. I view it as very disrespectful, but that's just because my life went down the gutter for a few years after my Aunt commited suicide. Anyway, Trips would probably make a good storyline writer, if he weren't involved in every single one of them! Personally, I think that HHH vs Edge at WM22 would have been a pretty good title match, because although Trips only gets most of his matches through his backstage pull, he still manages to make them entertaining. QUICK EDIT: Marty Janetty's gone. Again.

03-05-2006, 12:14 AM	#16
Darunia00 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Boston Gender: Posts: 4,318 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	The problem in a situation like this is that there is no clear-cut audience favorite. Clearly the WWE wants us to pull for Cena, but most of the guys in the audience (which is about 60-70 percent of a live crowd at any given taping) are totally over Cena and his dumb gimmick. Just look at last week's Raw, where the crowd was laughing and even applauding HHH's jokes about Cena sucking. In the really good WM main events, the crowd is remembered for being split and caring a great deal about the outcome (Hogan-Andre, Stone Cold-Rock, Rock-Hogan), whereas here it'll likely be split between people who don't want to see an eleventh title for Hunter or what will be essentially a year long reign for Cena. It's just so brutal. All you need to know about this year's WM is that when Vince announced his match against HBK, there was nary a stir from the crowd. That's a bad thing heading into the most important event of the year. Hopefully it gets turned around quickly, but I'm not too hopeful at this point.

03-05-2006, 05:33 PM	#17
DK Senior Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Gender: Posts: 3,003 Thanks: 43 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	Yeah, there is such little interest in it this year. For the first time in 8 years, I could care less about Mania.

03-05-2006, 07:02 PM	#18
Platinum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wv Gender: Posts: 1,369 Thanks: 48 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts	Yea, There is nothing really big. Most of the guys havn't been in the bisness for a long time. So no one really knows how to react.

03-09-2006, 12:24 AM	#19
Mark Prior Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Gender: Posts: 305 Thanks: 21 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	if Matt Hardy is not in the Money in the Bank match this year, it's going to suck. It would be logical to stick a guy who made his name on TLC matches to be in this.