The Double Timeline Theory (WW spoilers) - Page 3

christina · 06-07-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Theme of the Day: Legion:
Well, remember that the Triforce split as soon as Ganondorf touched it? If Link replaced the Master sword before Ganon could leave, the Triforce has still split, and thus the Triforce of Courage is still in Child Link.

Makes sense.

christina · 06-07-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Theme of the Day: Legion:
Well, remember that the Triforce split as soon as Ganondorf touched it? If Link replaced the Master sword before Ganon could leave, the Triforce has still split, and thus the Triforce of Courage is still in Child Link.

Makes sense.

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 03:12 PM

All you have to do to make it work is say WW never existed, but it would have if Link had chosen to stay in that timeline and not go back to the original.

I think KoRL was talking about how Link went back in time, and that is what made the Triforce leave him. Which is bull crap, because Ganondorf was sent to the same time different place. And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive? WW is just a hack game that was rushed into production without any thought or effort.

Get a nightlife.

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 03:12 PM

All you have to do to make it work is say WW never existed, but it would have if Link had chosen to stay in that timeline and not go back to the original.

I think KoRL was talking about how Link went back in time, and that is what made the Triforce leave him. Which is bull crap, because Ganondorf was sent to the same time different place. And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive? WW is just a hack game that was rushed into production without any thought or effort.

Get a nightlife.

christina · 06-07-2003, 07:28 PM

Actually I think there was alot of effort put in the game. Especisallly storyline-wise. Perhaqps even more than OoT.

Perhaps the triforce can't be taken back in time. That's what caused it to split. I'm not sure but there's this theory about time that says two aspects of the same object can't coexist at the same time. If Link went back in time with the Triforce of Courage in his hand it can't go with him. Because then there would be two triforces of courage in the past and we can't have that. OoT's ending still hold a great mystery to me.

[ June 07, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]

christina · 06-07-2003, 07:28 PM

Actually I think there was alot of effort put in the game. Especisallly storyline-wise. Perhaqps even more than OoT.

Perhaps the triforce can't be taken back in time. That's what caused it to split. I'm not sure but there's this theory about time that says two aspects of the same object can't coexist at the same time. If Link went back in time with the Triforce of Courage in his hand it can't go with him. Because then there would be two triforces of courage in the past and we can't have that. OoT's ending still hold a great mystery to me.

[ June 07, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]

The Minish Link · 06-07-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikey:
And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive?

Here's a thought? What about Link LEAVING the Triforce behind voluntarily so that it could be gotten a hold of just in case he never returned?

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The Minish Link · 06-07-2003, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikey:
And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive?

Here's a thought? What about Link LEAVING the Triforce behind voluntarily so that it could be gotten a hold of just in case he never returned?

"There are some who call me... Link?"

"Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!)
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christina · 06-07-2003, 10:24 PM

That makes sense too. But I don't think he would just give it up the same way he gave up the Ocarina of Time to Zelda. The way WW describes it it was as if it were torn from him. At least for me it does anyways. Like I said, I don't think the ToXC can even be taken to the past.

Look at it this way. In MM, only certian things like weapons and masks can be taken with you. But money can't and it gets torn away from you as you get sent baclk to day 1. I don't know what the exact physics are involved here. Maybe there isn't any. Perhaps the Goddess oof Time picks and chooses what can and can't be done in Time Travel. Perhaps she did not want the ToC to go back with Link because that would mean it would not exist in the future and the Triforce would be imbalanced. I don't know.

But TML's theory works as well. Link probably knew he couldn't take it back with him anyways.

christina · 06-07-2003, 10:24 PM

That makes sense too. But I don't think he would just give it up the same way he gave up the Ocarina of Time to Zelda. The way WW describes it it was as if it were torn from him. At least for me it does anyways. Like I said, I don't think the ToXC can even be taken to the past.

Look at it this way. In MM, only certian things like weapons and masks can be taken with you. But money can't and it gets torn away from you as you get sent baclk to day 1. I don't know what the exact physics are involved here. Maybe there isn't any. Perhaps the Goddess oof Time picks and chooses what can and can't be done in Time Travel. Perhaps she did not want the ToC to go back with Link because that would mean it would not exist in the future and the Triforce would be imbalanced. I don't know.

But TML's theory works as well. Link probably knew he couldn't take it back with him anyways.

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pedro, the Wind Demon:
Actually I think there was alot of effort put in the game. Especisallly storyline-wise. Perhaqps even more than OoT.

Perhaps the triforce can't be taken back in time. That's what caused it to split. I'm not sure but there's this theory about time that says two aspects of the same object can't coexist at the same time. If Link went back in time with the Triforce of Courage in his hand it can't go with him. Because then there would be two triforces of courage in the past and we can't have that. OoT's ending still hold a great mystery to me.

No there'd only be one. If the Triforce did not exist in the present then Link would have been free to take it back with him.

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pedro, the Wind Demon:
Actually I think there was alot of effort put in the game. Especisallly storyline-wise. Perhaqps even more than OoT.

Perhaps the triforce can't be taken back in time. That's what caused it to split. I'm not sure but there's this theory about time that says two aspects of the same object can't coexist at the same time. If Link went back in time with the Triforce of Courage in his hand it can't go with him. Because then there would be two triforces of courage in the past and we can't have that. OoT's ending still hold a great mystery to me.

No there'd only be one. If the Triforce did not exist in the present then Link would have been free to take it back with him.

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warui Yuumoa no Kenjin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mikey:
And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive?

Here's a thought? What about Link LEAVING the Triforce behind voluntarily so that it could be gotten a hold of just in case he never returned?

"There are some who call me... Link?"
"Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!)
Zelda: The Grand Adventures | Mad Gamers
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悪いユウモアの賢&#20154[/quote]Yes, I think I remember Link doing that at the end of OoT.

And of course he did so not caring if a good or bad person got it, after all it wasn't his problem anymore. Geez.

Get a life period

Mikey · 06-07-2003, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warui Yuumoa no Kenjin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mikey:
And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive?

Here's a thought? What about Link LEAVING the Triforce behind voluntarily so that it could be gotten a hold of just in case he never returned?

"There are some who call me... Link?"
"Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!)
Zelda: The Grand Adventures | Mad Gamers
ザ行方不明リンク
悪いユウモアの賢&#20154[/quote]Yes, I think I remember Link doing that at the end of OoT.

And of course he did so not caring if a good or bad person got it, after all it wasn't his problem anymore. Geez.

Get a life period

christina · 06-07-2003, 11:19 PM

Well whatever.

Quote:

Originally posted by Theme of the Day: Legion:
Well, remember that the Triforce split as soon as Ganondorf touched it? If Link replaced the Master sword before Ganon could leave, the Triforce has still split, and thus the Triforce of Courage is still in Child Link.

I'm going with this theory. Makes the most sense to me.

christina · 06-07-2003, 11:19 PM

Well whatever.

Quote:

Originally posted by Theme of the Day: Legion:
Well, remember that the Triforce split as soon as Ganondorf touched it? If Link replaced the Master sword before Ganon could leave, the Triforce has still split, and thus the Triforce of Courage is still in Child Link.

I'm going with this theory. Makes the most sense to me.

DELICIOUS POISON · 06-07-2003, 11:23 PM

i just typed a really long post and then explorer crashed, so i'm going to try and make this short.

the plot has holes that may or may not be filled by future games, or bookes, or whatever. miyamoto is a very creative man, but until the later zelda games he never seemed to have it in mind that they would all have totally connected storylines.

that and that there could also be split ganons. think about it, if the timeline can jump to 2 alternate worlds.. why not pull some crazy **** and say that the evil that manifested itself in ganon's body became a seperate incarnation, and left only a bitter and powerful dark mage. pig ganon would still be emprisoned in the golden land, grumpy warlock ganon would be left in the new WW world.. attempting to find access to that which he once hoped for, only this time not necessarily planning on destroying the world. he seems wisened, you have to admit. he depends more on the work of minions this time, as well. that could help suggest that he has lost much power. there is ganondorf, and there is ganon.
there is cause to disagree with this idea, but perhaps we should simply wait for nintendo to fill in the holes... or at least attempt to and just leave bigger ones

DELICIOUS POISON · 06-07-2003, 11:23 PM

i just typed a really long post and then explorer crashed, so i'm going to try and make this short.

the plot has holes that may or may not be filled by future games, or bookes, or whatever. miyamoto is a very creative man, but until the later zelda games he never seemed to have it in mind that they would all have totally connected storylines.

that and that there could also be split ganons. think about it, if the timeline can jump to 2 alternate worlds.. why not pull some crazy **** and say that the evil that manifested itself in ganon's body became a seperate incarnation, and left only a bitter and powerful dark mage. pig ganon would still be emprisoned in the golden land, grumpy warlock ganon would be left in the new WW world.. attempting to find access to that which he once hoped for, only this time not necessarily planning on destroying the world. he seems wisened, you have to admit. he depends more on the work of minions this time, as well. that could help suggest that he has lost much power. there is ganondorf, and there is ganon.
there is cause to disagree with this idea, but perhaps we should simply wait for nintendo to fill in the holes... or at least attempt to and just leave bigger ones

christina · 06-07-2003, 11:49 PM

You're probably right. I mean, this isn't like Star Wars which was supposively all worked out years in advance. But even still there are some plot holes with Star Wars.

I'm not sure in the alternate spin-off timeline if Ganon dorf would be piggy ganon. He was a just a hamn in Child Link's timeline. If anything, he should be piggy ganon in WW's timeline.

I had this theory that Ganon and Ganondorf are two different people. I know some people don't like MGT but just hear this out! Say LoZ takes place BEFORE OoT! I mean, OoT does say a great evil escaped from sacred realm prior to OoT. That was why the Temple of Time was created. What if that evil was Ganon? Say in the dark ages of ancient Hyrule, a portal into the sacred realm was opened and an ancient dod or demon called Ganon escaped and ravaged the land. Then some wandering vagabond nmed link comes along and slays Ganon. But some essence of Ganon still remained in ToP. And then Ganondorf comes along years later. Tries to steal the Triforce but instead becomes infested with Ganon's evil spirit. So in affect the two become one.

Having at least one game come before OoT sorta helps the problem with the double timeline. Makes less titles to have to deal with. And of course AoL comes along with LoZ. That's a give-in. So that leaves only two games to have to deal with. LttP and WW. Some could say WW and LttP are parallel realities of each other. One Hyrule is flooded. The other Hyrule is drying up. One the current Link (UI'm going with Link III at this point) lives with his grandma and kid sister. The other Link III lives with his Uncle. One Zelda is a pirate named Tetra. The other she's, well... a princess! Actually I have sensed some things in WW that reminded me LttP. The castle for one thing is in the center, as it is in LttP.

But I still say LttP might still come after WW and there's only one timeline. I don't know how though with WW's ending but I'm sure WW's sequel will clear some things up.

[ June 07, 2003, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]

christina · 06-07-2003, 11:49 PM

You're probably right. I mean, this isn't like Star Wars which was supposively all worked out years in advance. But even still there are some plot holes with Star Wars.

I'm not sure in the alternate spin-off timeline if Ganon dorf would be piggy ganon. He was a just a hamn in Child Link's timeline. If anything, he should be piggy ganon in WW's timeline.

I had this theory that Ganon and Ganondorf are two different people. I know some people don't like MGT but just hear this out! Say LoZ takes place BEFORE OoT! I mean, OoT does say a great evil escaped from sacred realm prior to OoT. That was why the Temple of Time was created. What if that evil was Ganon? Say in the dark ages of ancient Hyrule, a portal into the sacred realm was opened and an ancient dod or demon called Ganon escaped and ravaged the land. Then some wandering vagabond nmed link comes along and slays Ganon. But some essence of Ganon still remained in ToP. And then Ganondorf comes along years later. Tries to steal the Triforce but instead becomes infested with Ganon's evil spirit. So in affect the two become one.

Having at least one game come before OoT sorta helps the problem with the double timeline. Makes less titles to have to deal with. And of course AoL comes along with LoZ. That's a give-in. So that leaves only two games to have to deal with. LttP and WW. Some could say WW and LttP are parallel realities of each other. One Hyrule is flooded. The other Hyrule is drying up. One the current Link (UI'm going with Link III at this point) lives with his grandma and kid sister. The other Link III lives with his Uncle. One Zelda is a pirate named Tetra. The other she's, well... a princess! Actually I have sensed some things in WW that reminded me LttP. The castle for one thing is in the center, as it is in LttP.

But I still say LttP might still come after WW and there's only one timeline. I don't know how though with WW's ending but I'm sure WW's sequel will clear some things up.

[ June 07, 2003, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]

06-07-2003, 03:12 PM	#43
Mikey Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 785 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 919.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,419.00 Donate	All you have to do to make it work is say WW never existed, but it would have if Link had chosen to stay in that timeline and not go back to the original. I think KoRL was talking about how Link went back in time, and that is what made the Triforce leave him. Which is bull crap, because Ganondorf was sent to the same time different place. And how could the Triforce leave Link if he was still alive? WW is just a hack game that was rushed into production without any thought or effort. Get a nightlife.

06-07-2003, 07:28 PM	#45
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,120.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,620.00 Donate	Actually I think there was alot of effort put in the game. Especisallly storyline-wise. Perhaqps even more than OoT. Perhaps the triforce can't be taken back in time. That's what caused it to split. I'm not sure but there's this theory about time that says two aspects of the same object can't coexist at the same time. If Link went back in time with the Triforce of Courage in his hand it can't go with him. Because then there would be two triforces of courage in the past and we can't have that. OoT's ending still hold a great mystery to me. [ June 07, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]

06-07-2003, 10:24 PM	#49
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,120.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,620.00 Donate	That makes sense too. But I don't think he would just give it up the same way he gave up the Ocarina of Time to Zelda. The way WW describes it it was as if it were torn from him. At least for me it does anyways. Like I said, I don't think the ToXC can even be taken to the past. Look at it this way. In MM, only certian things like weapons and masks can be taken with you. But money can't and it gets torn away from you as you get sent baclk to day 1. I don't know what the exact physics are involved here. Maybe there isn't any. Perhaps the Goddess oof Time picks and chooses what can and can't be done in Time Travel. Perhaps she did not want the ToC to go back with Link because that would mean it would not exist in the future and the Triforce would be imbalanced. I don't know. But TML's theory works as well. Link probably knew he couldn't take it back with him anyways.

06-07-2003, 11:23 PM	#57
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06-07-2003, 11:49 PM	#59
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,120.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,620.00 Donate	You're probably right. I mean, this isn't like Star Wars which was supposively all worked out years in advance. But even still there are some plot holes with Star Wars. I'm not sure in the alternate spin-off timeline if Ganon dorf would be piggy ganon. He was a just a hamn in Child Link's timeline. If anything, he should be piggy ganon in WW's timeline. I had this theory that Ganon and Ganondorf are two different people. I know some people don't like MGT but just hear this out! Say LoZ takes place BEFORE OoT! I mean, OoT does say a great evil escaped from sacred realm prior to OoT. That was why the Temple of Time was created. What if that evil was Ganon? Say in the dark ages of ancient Hyrule, a portal into the sacred realm was opened and an ancient dod or demon called Ganon escaped and ravaged the land. Then some wandering vagabond nmed link comes along and slays Ganon. But some essence of Ganon still remained in ToP. And then Ganondorf comes along years later. Tries to steal the Triforce but instead becomes infested with Ganon's evil spirit. So in affect the two become one. Having at least one game come before OoT sorta helps the problem with the double timeline. Makes less titles to have to deal with. And of course AoL comes along with LoZ. That's a give-in. So that leaves only two games to have to deal with. LttP and WW. Some could say WW and LttP are parallel realities of each other. One Hyrule is flooded. The other Hyrule is drying up. One the current Link (UI'm going with Link III at this point) lives with his grandma and kid sister. The other Link III lives with his Uncle. One Zelda is a pirate named Tetra. The other she's, well... a princess! Actually I have sensed some things in WW that reminded me LttP. The castle for one thing is in the center, as it is in LttP. But I still say LttP might still come after WW and there's only one timeline. I don't know how though with WW's ending but I'm sure WW's sequel will clear some things up. [ June 07, 2003, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Pedro, the Wind Demon ]