The Double Timeline Theory (WW spoilers)

[christina]

This was a theory Shigeru first suggested when WW first came out. But I don't know if it can actually work. If I got it down right, it works like this. at the end of OoT Zelda sent Link back to his original time to relive the seven years he lost being stuck in stasis. This is where time seems to fork into two seperate realities. One, Ganondorf took over Hyrule, Link appeared suddenly, kicked his tail, then the sages sealed Ganny up. In the other, Ganondorf either ceased to exist or Link told the King what Ganondorf was about to do so Ganondorf was placed under lock and key, never being to achieve his ultimate power. Yet at least. Commonly, people place all the other games under this newly form timeline, and place WW all by itself in the original timeline. It goes something like this:

OoT (part 1)

Adult Timeline-

ooT (part 2)
Ww

New Timeline-

OoT (Part 2)
MM
And all the other games

But I don't think that can work. In WW, not only do they remember adult Link appearing out of nowhere to defeat Ganondorf, but also remember Link going off to Termina.

King of REd Lions to Link:
Link, do you know the legend
of the Hero of Time?

Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and
brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...

A piece of the Triforce was given to the
Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as
Zelda kept hers.

That sacred piece is known as the
Triforce of Courage.

When the Hero of Time was called to
embark on another journey and left the
land of Hyrule, he was separated from the
elements that made him a hero.

It is said that at that time, the Triforce of
Courage was split into eight shards and
hidden throughout the land.

That sounds pretty much like the intro to Majora's Mask. How could this be though? Isn't Majora's Mask suppose to continue Links adventurees in the new timeline? How can their be two pasts? Unless there's only one future.

I oonce had a theory long ago. And I sorta forgot all about it till now. This theory only works if Ganon's imprisonment in OoT was the same as IW, which I believe is true. This dark future in OoT, wasn't really the future at all. Just an overall trick of either the sages or perhaps the Goddesses themselves. In LttP, it says when Ganondorf made his wish on the triforce he wished for the world. But he did not get the world. Onlly a dark mirror image of it. This is what I believe is the true nature of the dark future of OoT. It's not the real Hyrule. Just t's reflection. And I think Ganondorf soon realized this. Why do you think he still was after the remaining two triforce peices? He already conquered Hyrule in OoT. Unless! The Hyrule he conquered wasn't the real deal.

So my theory is like this. The Dark Future of OoT is Dark Land. In the real Hyrule, not much time had pased since Ganondorf wiped out most of the King's men and had never returned from the Temple of Time. The King sent forth the Six Sages. Link awoken the sages from his side. He kicked Ganon's tail. The Sages sealed up the Door of Time from the inside. Princess Zelda sent Link back to Light World, back to just a several moments after he pulled out the Master Sword. And the ToC was now on his hand. He immediately went forth to Zelda, who knew exactly what had happened. She too had returned from Dark World and had the ToW with her. They went to tell the King and Link became a great hero, his story become a great legend throughout Hyrule. Thus was the Imrisoning War! No timeline split. The adult future never really existed. But that's just my theory.

Now where does Wind Waker fit in? Well, Ganondorf must've escaped from Dark World shortly after Link went to Termina on a personal journey. The people expected Link to come back and save them from Gaonondorf like he did last time but he never returned from Termina for some reason. So their fate was left to the Gods. And that's where WW begins.

So actually, the timeline should be something like this.

OoT
MM
WW
And the rest of the games

As for none of the other games not being able to follow WW because of the whole "That Land will not be Hyrule" thing, I don't know about that either. As far I'm concermned, LttP can easily follow up on WW some hundreds of years later. The King wished for Hyrule to be sunken completely so Ganondorf could not have the real Hyrule. Hyrule. Ganondorf. The Triforce. Even the King himself. All gone so Link and Tetra and rest of Hyruleans above the waves could have the future deserved. Somewhere else. But they're not really gone. Just under the sea. And like alot of legend go, secrets the sea hoards, time reveals yet again. WW will have a sequel soon. Perhaps someone finds way to get the triforce again. And perhaps they revive Ganon again. He has been revived before. It can always happen again. Who knows. Anyways, that's just my theory. I am very open to debate though.

What are your thoughts on the DTT?

[ June 01, 2003, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]

[christina]

This was a theory Shigeru first suggested when WW first came out. But I don't know if it can actually work. If I got it down right, it works like this. at the end of OoT Zelda sent Link back to his original time to relive the seven years he lost being stuck in stasis. This is where time seems to fork into two seperate realities. One, Ganondorf took over Hyrule, Link appeared suddenly, kicked his tail, then the sages sealed Ganny up. In the other, Ganondorf either ceased to exist or Link told the King what Ganondorf was about to do so Ganondorf was placed under lock and key, never being to achieve his ultimate power. Yet at least. Commonly, people place all the other games under this newly form timeline, and place WW all by itself in the original timeline. It goes something like this:

OoT (part 1)

Adult Timeline-

ooT (part 2)
Ww

New Timeline-

OoT (Part 2)
MM
And all the other games

But I don't think that can work. In WW, not only do they remember adult Link appearing out of nowhere to defeat Ganondorf, but also remember Link going off to Termina.

King of REd Lions to Link:
Link, do you know the legend
of the Hero of Time?

Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and
brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...

A piece of the Triforce was given to the
Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as
Zelda kept hers.

That sacred piece is known as the
Triforce of Courage.

When the Hero of Time was called to
embark on another journey and left the
land of Hyrule, he was separated from the
elements that made him a hero.

It is said that at that time, the Triforce of
Courage was split into eight shards and
hidden throughout the land.

That sounds pretty much like the intro to Majora's Mask. How could this be though? Isn't Majora's Mask suppose to continue Links adventurees in the new timeline? How can their be two pasts? Unless there's only one future.

I oonce had a theory long ago. And I sorta forgot all about it till now. This theory only works if Ganon's imprisonment in OoT was the same as IW, which I believe is true. This dark future in OoT, wasn't really the future at all. Just an overall trick of either the sages or perhaps the Goddesses themselves. In LttP, it says when Ganondorf made his wish on the triforce he wished for the world. But he did not get the world. Onlly a dark mirror image of it. This is what I believe is the true nature of the dark future of OoT. It's not the real Hyrule. Just t's reflection. And I think Ganondorf soon realized this. Why do you think he still was after the remaining two triforce peices? He already conquered Hyrule in OoT. Unless! The Hyrule he conquered wasn't the real deal.

So my theory is like this. The Dark Future of OoT is Dark Land. In the real Hyrule, not much time had pased since Ganondorf wiped out most of the King's men and had never returned from the Temple of Time. The King sent forth the Six Sages. Link awoken the sages from his side. He kicked Ganon's tail. The Sages sealed up the Door of Time from the inside. Princess Zelda sent Link back to Light World, back to just a several moments after he pulled out the Master Sword. And the ToC was now on his hand. He immediately went forth to Zelda, who knew exactly what had happened. She too had returned from Dark World and had the ToW with her. They went to tell the King and Link became a great hero, his story become a great legend throughout Hyrule. Thus was the Imrisoning War! No timeline split. The adult future never really existed. But that's just my theory.

Now where does Wind Waker fit in? Well, Ganondorf must've escaped from Dark World shortly after Link went to Termina on a personal journey. The people expected Link to come back and save them from Gaonondorf like he did last time but he never returned from Termina for some reason. So their fate was left to the Gods. And that's where WW begins.

So actually, the timeline should be something like this.

OoT
MM
WW
And the rest of the games

As for none of the other games not being able to follow WW because of the whole "That Land will not be Hyrule" thing, I don't know about that either. As far I'm concermned, LttP can easily follow up on WW some hundreds of years later. The King wished for Hyrule to be sunken completely so Ganondorf could not have the real Hyrule. Hyrule. Ganondorf. The Triforce. Even the King himself. All gone so Link and Tetra and rest of Hyruleans above the waves could have the future deserved. Somewhere else. But they're not really gone. Just under the sea. And like alot of legend go, secrets the sea hoards, time reveals yet again. WW will have a sequel soon. Perhaps someone finds way to get the triforce again. And perhaps they revive Ganon again. He has been revived before. It can always happen again. Who knows. Anyways, that's just my theory. I am very open to debate though.

What are your thoughts on the DTT?

[ June 01, 2003, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]

[King_Link_Mario]

Sounds good. I got this timeline of my own but I'm not feeling up to posting it. In this message board called Gamefaqs theres this guy who says that the Windfish had been killing the Link's and Wind Waker and the Oracles didn't happen.

[King_Link_Mario]

Sounds good. I got this timeline of my own but I'm not feeling up to posting it. In this message board called Gamefaqs theres this guy who says that the Windfish had been killing the Link's and Wind Waker and the Oracles didn't happen.

[Bodacious]

The only problem is LTTP starts out with Ganon still imprisoned in the dark World from The Imprisoning War/OOT with the Triforce. Now that makes me want to say Wind Wker couldn't have happened and LTTP directly followed OOT, but even that can't be right because at the end of OOT Ganon only hs the Triforce of Power. Miyamoto needs to write a book.

[Bodacious]

The only problem is LTTP starts out with Ganon still imprisoned in the dark World from The Imprisoning War/OOT with the Triforce. Now that makes me want to say Wind Wker couldn't have happened and LTTP directly followed OOT, but even that can't be right because at the end of OOT Ganon only hs the Triforce of Power. Miyamoto needs to write a book.

[christina]

It doesn't mean that Ganon never escaped between OoT and LttP. It just means it was never recorded. And LttP does talk about a legend in which everytime an evil comes to Hyrule, a boy arises to become a hero. In any case, Ganon sorta does have the full triforce at the end of WW. He just can't reach it.

[christina]

It doesn't mean that Ganon never escaped between OoT and LttP. It just means it was never recorded. And LttP does talk about a legend in which everytime an evil comes to Hyrule, a boy arises to become a hero. In any case, Ganon sorta does have the full triforce at the end of WW. He just can't reach it.

[Vanilla_sex_machine]

what is the point of making sense in a story that was never meant to make sense in the first place?

every storyline just serves the gameplay purpose of each and every Zelda game, and noone really cares (from the game developers) on how one game links to another.

just keep playing and worry not for the story

[Vanilla_sex_machine]

what is the point of making sense in a story that was never meant to make sense in the first place?

every storyline just serves the gameplay purpose of each and every Zelda game, and noone really cares (from the game developers) on how one game links to another.

just keep playing and worry not for the story

[Ditto McCloaker]

I just figure that some time after Wind Waker, someone pulled the plug out of the ocean floor and drained the water, and Ganondorf somehow returned, and then got sent back to the Dark World, possibly as part of another adventure we're never privy to.

Or Wind Waker comes at the end of the timeline and all the other Zelda adventures take place within... what was it? A hundred or a thousand years?

YOu kinda imagine Ganondorf would have long forgotten his childhood if that were the case, however.

Nintendo's not stupid enough to make the timeline make sense, peeps. Then no one would think about it anymore, and there goes 2% of what fascinates people about Zelda.

[Ditto McCloaker]

I just figure that some time after Wind Waker, someone pulled the plug out of the ocean floor and drained the water, and Ganondorf somehow returned, and then got sent back to the Dark World, possibly as part of another adventure we're never privy to.

Or Wind Waker comes at the end of the timeline and all the other Zelda adventures take place within... what was it? A hundred or a thousand years?

YOu kinda imagine Ganondorf would have long forgotten his childhood if that were the case, however.

Nintendo's not stupid enough to make the timeline make sense, peeps. Then no one would think about it anymore, and there goes 2% of what fascinates people about Zelda.

[Potatoes are Up to Speed]

Originally posted by Barc0de:
what is the point of making sense in a story that was never meant to make sense in the first place?

every storyline just serves the gameplay purpose of each and every Zelda game, and noone really cares (from the game developers) on how one game links to another.

just keep playing and worry not for the story

Many people care about how one game links to another.

The story is the cream, the good stuff. The story and the debating of the timeline is what helped create and helps continue to create the Zelda universe.

~BM

[ June 03, 2003, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Potatoes are Up to Speed ]

[Potatoes are Up to Speed]

Originally posted by Barc0de:
what is the point of making sense in a story that was never meant to make sense in the first place?

every storyline just serves the gameplay purpose of each and every Zelda game, and noone really cares (from the game developers) on how one game links to another.

just keep playing and worry not for the story

Many people care about how one game links to another.

The story is the cream, the good stuff. The story and the debating of the timeline is what helped create and helps continue to create the Zelda universe.

~BM

[ June 03, 2003, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Potatoes are Up to Speed ]

[christina]

Actually I think the only reason Nintendo doesn't make an official timeline is thaytt it would get in the way of their creativity. I found this was also true with my ongoing adventures in the KB&G. My friends and I desperately tried to for,m a feasible timeline but we found it restrained our creativity. So we just started over with a clean slate did away with the timeline. Nintendo tried making a timeline once using SLTn but it never worked out. But that's not to say fans shouldn't make their own timelines. Infact, I think Shigeru encourages it with his little hints and in-game history tie-ins. And besides, fans are much more flexible when it comes to timelines. If a new game comes along and messes things up for them, they just make a new one. Or they get pissed and they join IJAGS like most of the SLTers that still exist. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Also, I don't think the ocean could have been unplugged like a bathtub but then again, this is Zelda we're talking about.

Thirdly, I'm inclinedto believe that LoZ and AoL take place before ooT with ancestors of Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda. But I still think LttP takes place after WW. But not right after it. So my timeline would be something like this:

LoZ
AoL

OoT
MM

WW
WW2 (???)

LttP
OoS/A
LA

[ June 03, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]

[christina]

Actually I think the only reason Nintendo doesn't make an official timeline is thaytt it would get in the way of their creativity. I found this was also true with my ongoing adventures in the KB&G. My friends and I desperately tried to for,m a feasible timeline but we found it restrained our creativity. So we just started over with a clean slate did away with the timeline. Nintendo tried making a timeline once using SLTn but it never worked out. But that's not to say fans shouldn't make their own timelines. Infact, I think Shigeru encourages it with his little hints and in-game history tie-ins. And besides, fans are much more flexible when it comes to timelines. If a new game comes along and messes things up for them, they just make a new one. Or they get pissed and they join IJAGS like most of the SLTers that still exist. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Also, I don't think the ocean could have been unplugged like a bathtub but then again, this is Zelda we're talking about.

Thirdly, I'm inclinedto believe that LoZ and AoL take place before ooT with ancestors of Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda. But I still think LttP takes place after WW. But not right after it. So my timeline would be something like this:

LoZ
AoL

OoT
MM

WW
WW2 (???)

LttP
OoS/A
LA

[ June 03, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]

[Legion]

Actually, there are big clues that point towards a split timeline. At the end, Ganondorf talks about once more bringing the Triforce pieces together, which happened just before the Ganondorf battle in OoT. If the timeline had continued on from MM, then WW, surely Ganon wouldn't have remembered that, because it would not have happened.

The second is slightly weaker. The Deku Tree died at the beginning of OoT. But his sproat only blooms in the Adult timeline. How can the Deku Tree be alive in WW if it is in a single timeline? Surely the Tree would be dead?

Although, Sabooru's theory could work too.

[Legion]

Actually, there are big clues that point towards a split timeline. At the end, Ganondorf talks about once more bringing the Triforce pieces together, which happened just before the Ganondorf battle in OoT. If the timeline had continued on from MM, then WW, surely Ganon wouldn't have remembered that, because it would not have happened.

The second is slightly weaker. The Deku Tree died at the beginning of OoT. But his sproat only blooms in the Adult timeline. How can the Deku Tree be alive in WW if it is in a single timeline? Surely the Tree would be dead?

Although, Sabooru's theory could work too.

[christina]

Okay about your first point. That's simple. Because it took place in the Sacred Realm (Darkland) not in the real Hyrule. If my theory is correct, Ganondorf never left the Sacred Realm to begin with.

Your second point is actually a strong one. The Deku Sprout did indeed sprout only in the Dark Future of OoT and the Great Deku Tree was already dead in from the begining of OoT. I can't just say it was another Deku Sprout either because the Deku Tree <Major Hylian Text Spoiler>recognizies Link's clothes in WW and mistakes him for the Hero Time.</Major Hylian Text Spoiler> This puts a major hole in my theory. But not all theories are perfect.

Wait! I think I've got it! It could very well be another Deku Sprout. In OoT, the Deku Sprout knew all about Link's mom and everything. But how could he know this if he had just been born a few seconds ago? This is another new theory of mine. All the Great Deku Tree's memories are tranfered to their offspring. That's how the DEku Sprout in OoT knew about Link's mom. And that's how the new Great Deku Tree recognized Link's clothes. Hey a Multiple Deku Tree Theory! Heh. -_- Ah well.

[ June 03, 2003, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]

[christina]

Okay about your first point. That's simple. Because it took place in the Sacred Realm (Darkland) not in the real Hyrule. If my theory is correct, Ganondorf never left the Sacred Realm to begin with.

Your second point is actually a strong one. The Deku Sprout did indeed sprout only in the Dark Future of OoT and the Great Deku Tree was already dead in from the begining of OoT. I can't just say it was another Deku Sprout either because the Deku Tree <Major Hylian Text Spoiler>recognizies Link's clothes in WW and mistakes him for the Hero Time.</Major Hylian Text Spoiler> This puts a major hole in my theory. But not all theories are perfect.

Wait! I think I've got it! It could very well be another Deku Sprout. In OoT, the Deku Sprout knew all about Link's mom and everything. But how could he know this if he had just been born a few seconds ago? This is another new theory of mine. All the Great Deku Tree's memories are tranfered to their offspring. That's how the DEku Sprout in OoT knew about Link's mom. And that's how the new Great Deku Tree recognized Link's clothes. Hey a Multiple Deku Tree Theory! Heh. -_- Ah well.

[ June 03, 2003, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: Sabooru: Forest Spirit Fusion ]