Sages (Wind Waker Spoilers) - Page 2

The Minish Link · 06-08-2003, 03:12 PM

It's a symbol, guys. What if there was no meaning behind it OTHER than the fact that it's something to put on blocks, hmm?

Oh and by the way, the Schwastika was a Greek good luck symbol, and that's why the Nazis used it. Thus, perhaps you should look behind modern-day usages of symbols and just look at it for what it is -- a symbol.

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The Minish Link · 06-08-2003, 03:12 PM

It's a symbol, guys. What if there was no meaning behind it OTHER than the fact that it's something to put on blocks, hmm?

Oh and by the way, the Schwastika was a Greek good luck symbol, and that's why the Nazis used it. Thus, perhaps you should look behind modern-day usages of symbols and just look at it for what it is -- a symbol.

"There are some who call me... Link?"

"Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!)
Zelda: The Grand Adventures | Mad Gamers
ザ行方不明リンク
悪いユウモアの賢&#20154

christina · 06-08-2003, 03:20 PM

I'm not trying arrgue that it's anymore than that TML. I just like that symbol. I don't like that they removed it for the sake of not creating contreversy. But then again, maybe the war has nothing to do with it.

christina · 06-08-2003, 03:20 PM

I'm not trying arrgue that it's anymore than that TML. I just like that symbol. I don't like that they removed it for the sake of not creating contreversy. But then again, maybe the war has nothing to do with it.

Koga · 06-08-2003, 04:18 PM

If Americans had made Zelda it could've been that way, but Zelda is created by Japanese. Nintendo even had a game with a Devil in it (which wasn't released in the US because of blasphemy).

Koga · 06-08-2003, 04:18 PM

If Americans had made Zelda it could've been that way, but Zelda is created by Japanese. Nintendo even had a game with a Devil in it (which wasn't released in the US because of blasphemy).

Super Star 9 · 06-08-2003, 04:41 PM

I think that all the races got extinct and Zoras somehow evolved into Ritos(or the gods made a new race from Zoras bloodline.)And I think that before the Korkiri's evolved into Koroks Fado was the sage but Ganon stole his soul and Makar evolved from his bloodline.

Super Star 9 · 06-08-2003, 04:41 PM

I think that all the races got extinct and Zoras somehow evolved into Ritos(or the gods made a new race from Zoras bloodline.)And I think that before the Korkiri's evolved into Koroks Fado was the sage but Ganon stole his soul and Makar evolved from his bloodline.

christina · 06-08-2003, 05:12 PM

Here's how I see it. The original Sages from OoT die. Probably from old age or whatever. But their Sage powers were passed down to their Decendants which became the next seven sages. Fado and Laruto are but only two of them. Around this point, Ganon comes around a kills all the second generation sages. But these sages still yet had decendants of their own but their decendants did not awaken as sages because all the temples were flooded and therefore inaccessible. You're only able to awaken Medli and Makar as sages because their temples are still accessible above water via moutiantop entrances. The other sages decendants are around but just aren't awaken as sages yet. Does that clear anything up?

christina · 06-08-2003, 05:12 PM

Here's how I see it. The original Sages from OoT die. Probably from old age or whatever. But their Sage powers were passed down to their Decendants which became the next seven sages. Fado and Laruto are but only two of them. Around this point, Ganon comes around a kills all the second generation sages. But these sages still yet had decendants of their own but their decendants did not awaken as sages because all the temples were flooded and therefore inaccessible. You're only able to awaken Medli and Makar as sages because their temples are still accessible above water via moutiantop entrances. The other sages decendants are around but just aren't awaken as sages yet. Does that clear anything up?

darkintention · 06-10-2003, 08:39 PM

Well, here is how I see it. The God's world was in a economic boom. Everything was great, until the "dotcreate" companies came into buisness. Everyone thought these "dotcreates" were the next big thing, but they went out of buisness so fast, that the market crashed. The 3 godesses had to downsize management. Unfortunalty, this lead to a decrease in product quality. So the Godesses fired the remaining managment, and sent a scout in green out to find aplicants to fill managment positions. With fresh managment in, product quality improved 200%.

See, it as simple as that. Economics people, economics

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darkintention · 06-10-2003, 08:39 PM

Well, here is how I see it. The God's world was in a economic boom. Everything was great, until the "dotcreate" companies came into buisness. Everyone thought these "dotcreates" were the next big thing, but they went out of buisness so fast, that the market crashed. The 3 godesses had to downsize management. Unfortunalty, this lead to a decrease in product quality. So the Godesses fired the remaining managment, and sent a scout in green out to find aplicants to fill managment positions. With fresh managment in, product quality improved 200%.

See, it as simple as that. Economics people, economics

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Jedi Master Ry_On · 06-11-2003, 02:52 AM

Hmm, I feel I should perhaps add my say on this.

The chamber where you get the mastwesword has I belive 9 stained glass moseacs around it. They portray, in clockwise order, triforce, ruto, saria, rarue, gannon holding triforce, darunia, impa, nabooru, and triforce, or something about like that. Impa has the hylian crying eye above her, darunia has the goron symbol, ruto has the zora/rito crest, saria I think has the kokiri symbol, rarue has the hylian crest of an eagal thing holding up the triforce, and Nabooru, the gerudo. has what appears to be a dot sandwiched between two curves. Everyone go take a look, for I feel this is the Gerudo crest. It makes sence, no?

Now, about the sages. I stick with the theory that WW is set in the future alternate dimention, the images of the older awakened sages helping prove this theory. Now, if WW is aprox. 100 years after OoT future, we have aprox. 3 generations in 100 years which seems wrong, or your grandma would alomst certenly remember old hyrule, places like outset could not have developed tradition, the Rito could not have evolved so fast, etc. I feel this time is incorrect, but I will work in this timeframe under the assumption that the goddeses recreated the memories and in some cases genetic makeup of some of those they saved. The origional 6 sages belong in primary hyrule. They each had there temples to protect, and I would assume kept close ties to the royal familly. It is said the king used to conduct Laruto and Fado. These two sages seem to exist at aprox. the same time as the other sages, and I doubt they could be decended from said sages in the pre-stated 100 year time period, as there are only time for roughly 3 generation in 100 years, one being link and those of the ocean people, and working under the assumption that the world was flooded more then 20 years ago. Also, Laruto seems to be of the commen zora, having a long head tail and not hammerhead shape like Ruto, King Zora, and Lulu, the higher leniage zora. Kokiri do not reproduce but are born from the Deku Tree, so Fado could not logicly be decended from Saria. Anyway, my theory is that while the 6 sages were to stay in mainstream hyrule, the sages of earth and wind were created as failsafes, to have more protection then was fully nessicary. When gannon attacked, the 6 sages were parhaps destroyed defending the royal family, while the new sages were in their temples, being failsafes. The king and princess somehow escaped, as did Jabu Jabu later to be known as or to be parent to Jabuun. Valoo is a mystery to me, and perhaps is a creation of the goddeses. Jabune, Deku Tree, and Valoo seem to be of the saim diety status. The missing ling here is who lived at Greatfish isle before it was destroyed. Now, I've gone on far to long so I'll continue later

Jedi Master Ry_On · 06-11-2003, 02:52 AM

Hmm, I feel I should perhaps add my say on this.

The chamber where you get the mastwesword has I belive 9 stained glass moseacs around it. They portray, in clockwise order, triforce, ruto, saria, rarue, gannon holding triforce, darunia, impa, nabooru, and triforce, or something about like that. Impa has the hylian crying eye above her, darunia has the goron symbol, ruto has the zora/rito crest, saria I think has the kokiri symbol, rarue has the hylian crest of an eagal thing holding up the triforce, and Nabooru, the gerudo. has what appears to be a dot sandwiched between two curves. Everyone go take a look, for I feel this is the Gerudo crest. It makes sence, no?

Now, about the sages. I stick with the theory that WW is set in the future alternate dimention, the images of the older awakened sages helping prove this theory. Now, if WW is aprox. 100 years after OoT future, we have aprox. 3 generations in 100 years which seems wrong, or your grandma would alomst certenly remember old hyrule, places like outset could not have developed tradition, the Rito could not have evolved so fast, etc. I feel this time is incorrect, but I will work in this timeframe under the assumption that the goddeses recreated the memories and in some cases genetic makeup of some of those they saved. The origional 6 sages belong in primary hyrule. They each had there temples to protect, and I would assume kept close ties to the royal familly. It is said the king used to conduct Laruto and Fado. These two sages seem to exist at aprox. the same time as the other sages, and I doubt they could be decended from said sages in the pre-stated 100 year time period, as there are only time for roughly 3 generation in 100 years, one being link and those of the ocean people, and working under the assumption that the world was flooded more then 20 years ago. Also, Laruto seems to be of the commen zora, having a long head tail and not hammerhead shape like Ruto, King Zora, and Lulu, the higher leniage zora. Kokiri do not reproduce but are born from the Deku Tree, so Fado could not logicly be decended from Saria. Anyway, my theory is that while the 6 sages were to stay in mainstream hyrule, the sages of earth and wind were created as failsafes, to have more protection then was fully nessicary. When gannon attacked, the 6 sages were parhaps destroyed defending the royal family, while the new sages were in their temples, being failsafes. The king and princess somehow escaped, as did Jabu Jabu later to be known as or to be parent to Jabuun. Valoo is a mystery to me, and perhaps is a creation of the goddeses. Jabune, Deku Tree, and Valoo seem to be of the saim diety status. The missing ling here is who lived at Greatfish isle before it was destroyed. Now, I've gone on far to long so I'll continue later

christina · 06-11-2003, 04:04 AM

THat actually makes sense. Come to think of it, the Wind and Earth Sages probably have bnothing to do with the other six sages at all. The six of OoT were the sAges of the seal. Their job is the keep the seal intact. The Wind and Earth Sages were probably hired by the King or perhaps Zelda some time after OoT as the Sages of the Master Sword. They're job had nothing to do with the Sages Seal. Their job was stictly to keep the the Master Swords power still going incase Ganondorf came along.

It's 100's and 100's of years now in the American version at least. And King Daphnes never really escaped. Zelda probably did to carry on the bloodline but I don't believe the king ever left the castle. Some might say he died there and it was only his spirit that you talk to. Which would explain why the King could not go with Link and Tetra. And I don't think Hyrule flooding only 20 years prior to WW is quite accurate. I think more people would remember Hyrule. Especially Orca, Sturgeon, and Orca. But they only seem to know some ideas and traditions that survived the flooding. Even they don't seem to know about the land of Hyrule and they're practically some of the oldest people in the game!

christina · 06-11-2003, 04:04 AM

THat actually makes sense. Come to think of it, the Wind and Earth Sages probably have bnothing to do with the other six sages at all. The six of OoT were the sAges of the seal. Their job is the keep the seal intact. The Wind and Earth Sages were probably hired by the King or perhaps Zelda some time after OoT as the Sages of the Master Sword. They're job had nothing to do with the Sages Seal. Their job was stictly to keep the the Master Swords power still going incase Ganondorf came along.

It's 100's and 100's of years now in the American version at least. And King Daphnes never really escaped. Zelda probably did to carry on the bloodline but I don't believe the king ever left the castle. Some might say he died there and it was only his spirit that you talk to. Which would explain why the King could not go with Link and Tetra. And I don't think Hyrule flooding only 20 years prior to WW is quite accurate. I think more people would remember Hyrule. Especially Orca, Sturgeon, and Orca. But they only seem to know some ideas and traditions that survived the flooding. Even they don't seem to know about the land of Hyrule and they're practically some of the oldest people in the game!

06-08-2003, 03:12 PM	#21
The Minish Link Zelda Mod Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Ohio, US Posts: 9,761 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,137.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,137.00 Donate	It's a symbol, guys. What if there was no meaning behind it OTHER than the fact that it's something to put on blocks, hmm? Oh and by the way, the Schwastika was a Greek good luck symbol, and that's why the Nazis used it. Thus, perhaps you should look behind modern-day usages of symbols and just look at it for what it is -- a symbol. "There are some who call me... Link?" "Carpe Gaium Domesticum!" (Seize the Cucco!) Zelda: The Grand Adventures \| Mad Gamers ザ行方不明リンク悪いユウモアの賢&#20154

06-08-2003, 03:20 PM	#23
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,230.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,730.00 Donate	I'm not trying arrgue that it's anymore than that TML. I just like that symbol. I don't like that they removed it for the sake of not creating contreversy. But then again, maybe the war has nothing to do with it.

06-08-2003, 04:18 PM	#25
Koga Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: The Netherlands Gender: Posts: 17,095 Thanks: 104 Thanked 186 Times in 117 Posts Points: 109,265.07 Bank: 25,861.92 Total Points: 135,126.99 Donate	If Americans had made Zelda it could've been that way, but Zelda is created by Japanese. Nintendo even had a game with a Devil in it (which wasn't released in the US because of blasphemy).

06-08-2003, 04:41 PM	#27
Super Star 9 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: don,t know Posts: 443 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,033.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,533.00 Donate	I think that all the races got extinct and Zoras somehow evolved into Ritos(or the gods made a new race from Zoras bloodline.)And I think that before the Korkiri's evolved into Koroks Fado was the sage but Ganon stole his soul and Makar evolved from his bloodline.

06-08-2003, 05:12 PM	#29
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,230.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,730.00 Donate	Here's how I see it. The original Sages from OoT die. Probably from old age or whatever. But their Sage powers were passed down to their Decendants which became the next seven sages. Fado and Laruto are but only two of them. Around this point, Ganon comes around a kills all the second generation sages. But these sages still yet had decendants of their own but their decendants did not awaken as sages because all the temples were flooded and therefore inaccessible. You're only able to awaken Medli and Makar as sages because their temples are still accessible above water via moutiantop entrances. The other sages decendants are around but just aren't awaken as sages yet. Does that clear anything up?

06-10-2003, 08:39 PM	#31
darkintention Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,394 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,240.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,740.00 Donate	Well, here is how I see it. The God's world was in a economic boom. Everything was great, until the "dotcreate" companies came into buisness. Everyone thought these "dotcreates" were the next big thing, but they went out of buisness so fast, that the market crashed. The 3 godesses had to downsize management. Unfortunalty, this lead to a decrease in product quality. So the Godesses fired the remaining managment, and sent a scout in green out to find aplicants to fill managment positions. With fresh managment in, product quality improved 200%. See, it as simple as that. Economics people, economics .

06-11-2003, 02:52 AM	#33
Jedi Master Ry_On Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Canada, eh? Gender: Posts: 128 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 687.00 Bank: 574.34 Total Points: 1,261.34 Donate	Hmm, I feel I should perhaps add my say on this. The chamber where you get the mastwesword has I belive 9 stained glass moseacs around it. They portray, in clockwise order, triforce, ruto, saria, rarue, gannon holding triforce, darunia, impa, nabooru, and triforce, or something about like that. Impa has the hylian crying eye above her, darunia has the goron symbol, ruto has the zora/rito crest, saria I think has the kokiri symbol, rarue has the hylian crest of an eagal thing holding up the triforce, and Nabooru, the gerudo. has what appears to be a dot sandwiched between two curves. Everyone go take a look, for I feel this is the Gerudo crest. It makes sence, no? Now, about the sages. I stick with the theory that WW is set in the future alternate dimention, the images of the older awakened sages helping prove this theory. Now, if WW is aprox. 100 years after OoT future, we have aprox. 3 generations in 100 years which seems wrong, or your grandma would alomst certenly remember old hyrule, places like outset could not have developed tradition, the Rito could not have evolved so fast, etc. I feel this time is incorrect, but I will work in this timeframe under the assumption that the goddeses recreated the memories and in some cases genetic makeup of some of those they saved. The origional 6 sages belong in primary hyrule. They each had there temples to protect, and I would assume kept close ties to the royal familly. It is said the king used to conduct Laruto and Fado. These two sages seem to exist at aprox. the same time as the other sages, and I doubt they could be decended from said sages in the pre-stated 100 year time period, as there are only time for roughly 3 generation in 100 years, one being link and those of the ocean people, and working under the assumption that the world was flooded more then 20 years ago. Also, Laruto seems to be of the commen zora, having a long head tail and not hammerhead shape like Ruto, King Zora, and Lulu, the higher leniage zora. Kokiri do not reproduce but are born from the Deku Tree, so Fado could not logicly be decended from Saria. Anyway, my theory is that while the 6 sages were to stay in mainstream hyrule, the sages of earth and wind were created as failsafes, to have more protection then was fully nessicary. When gannon attacked, the 6 sages were parhaps destroyed defending the royal family, while the new sages were in their temples, being failsafes. The king and princess somehow escaped, as did Jabu Jabu later to be known as or to be parent to Jabuun. Valoo is a mystery to me, and perhaps is a creation of the goddeses. Jabune, Deku Tree, and Valoo seem to be of the saim diety status. The missing ling here is who lived at Greatfish isle before it was destroyed. Now, I've gone on far to long so I'll continue later

06-11-2003, 04:04 AM	#35
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,230.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,730.00 Donate	THat actually makes sense. Come to think of it, the Wind and Earth Sages probably have bnothing to do with the other six sages at all. The six of OoT were the sAges of the seal. Their job is the keep the seal intact. The Wind and Earth Sages were probably hired by the King or perhaps Zelda some time after OoT as the Sages of the Master Sword. They're job had nothing to do with the Sages Seal. Their job was stictly to keep the the Master Swords power still going incase Ganondorf came along. It's 100's and 100's of years now in the American version at least. And King Daphnes never really escaped. Zelda probably did to carry on the bloodline but I don't believe the king ever left the castle. Some might say he died there and it was only his spirit that you talk to. Which would explain why the King could not go with Link and Tetra. And I don't think Hyrule flooding only 20 years prior to WW is quite accurate. I think more people would remember Hyrule. Especially Orca, Sturgeon, and Orca. But they only seem to know some ideas and traditions that survived the flooding. Even they don't seem to know about the land of Hyrule and they're practically some of the oldest people in the game!