The One Link Theory still lives.

[christina]

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[ June 08, 2003, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Tritoch ]

[christina]

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[ June 08, 2003, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Tritoch ]

[DELICIOUS POISON]

The OLT doesn't work because they split the series into alternate realities. That, And how do you explain link being around the same age in every game? Are you suggesting that the games are separated only by DAYS? He's a kid in windwaker, he's a kid in OoT, he's a kid in LttP... Maybe you have terrible memory loss and expect everyone else to as well? How do you explain the entire kingdom rearranging itself in a matter of days? Link keeps losing the master sword and forgetting what it is and where it is because he's just that stupid? Entire races disappear in a number months without any person having recollection of them? Have you ever heard of gorons in LttP? Was there a town in Hyrule castle in Lttp? Was there reference to the Sheika having anything to do with Kokiri village in Lttp? What happened to the deku tree? alla that? you don't have any explanation for all of the missing elements.

[DELICIOUS POISON]

The OLT doesn't work because they split the series into alternate realities. That, And how do you explain link being around the same age in every game? Are you suggesting that the games are separated only by DAYS? He's a kid in windwaker, he's a kid in OoT, he's a kid in LttP... Maybe you have terrible memory loss and expect everyone else to as well? How do you explain the entire kingdom rearranging itself in a matter of days? Link keeps losing the master sword and forgetting what it is and where it is because he's just that stupid? Entire races disappear in a number months without any person having recollection of them? Have you ever heard of gorons in LttP? Was there a town in Hyrule castle in Lttp? Was there reference to the Sheika having anything to do with Kokiri village in Lttp? What happened to the deku tree? alla that? you don't have any explanation for all of the missing elements.

[Deity Link]

moron. listen. in almost ANY situation in stories/movies/anime it is an understoo that when something happens like someone is set back in time two timelines created. i sat up 2 4 in the mourning talking about timelines with one of my older friends one time ( about 1 year ago and he was 21 then) . our example was DBZ sorry for all who don't know DBZ but this i the simplest wayto explain it 4 me.

trunks is sent back in time to stop evet yadda from happening. he does. if he were to go into the future he would gointo a good future, so then how does this say that another timeline exhists?
1# he still has memories of tht future
2# he is alive! same with his other younger self!
he couldn't possibly be alive if there was no future timeline because if the dark future vanished he should have also!

so quit complaining and talking about some "mature" zelda with your mindless blood and gore

[Deity Link]

moron. listen. in almost ANY situation in stories/movies/anime it is an understoo that when something happens like someone is set back in time two timelines created. i sat up 2 4 in the mourning talking about timelines with one of my older friends one time ( about 1 year ago and he was 21 then) . our example was DBZ sorry for all who don't know DBZ but this i the simplest wayto explain it 4 me.

trunks is sent back in time to stop evet yadda from happening. he does. if he were to go into the future he would gointo a good future, so then how does this say that another timeline exhists?
1# he still has memories of tht future
2# he is alive! same with his other younger self!
he couldn't possibly be alive if there was no future timeline because if the dark future vanished he should have also!

so quit complaining and talking about some "mature" zelda with your mindless blood and gore

[Mikey]

Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to remember it along with every other derogatory remark that has been thrown at me by immature children.

I still come here because I have to post my god awesome fanficion.

I still debate because the rest of this forum is pretty much dead. The lack of forum goers = lack of forum goers reading my fic. If I bring up a debate that is interesting then it gives people something else to click on besides the "one word per post" Zelda topics.

I post my theory to kind of reflect on what Zelda could have been, same goes for my fanfic.

I am surprised at how many so-called mature gamers here post nothing but insults and smart @ss remarks.

I dislike Wind Waker because of it story line first of all. It has more plot holes than the original NES game Pitfall has glitches. If you don't remember that game then you are probably too young, and if that were the case the joke would go over your head anyway.

Second was the gameplay. Not very innovative, or original. It was just like OoT except for some basic camera movements.

The fighting was good, but not great. It was very basic, and there was defiantly no challenge to defeating an enemy. The attacks were wacky, goofy even. The kind of stuff you would see in the Matrix, just a lot more kiddy and unrealistic.

The music was terrible. It reminded me of my childhood when I would lay in my crib and the airplane chandelier would spin around. The chimey, happy clappy music was sickening. The composition was a complete hack job.

If I were to just say "The length was bad", that short description would describe Wind Waker in ever aspect. The length of the game only maxed out at about 20 hours, not including the many bathroom breaks to go vomit after seeing Tingle prance around like some kind of fruit.

The puzzles? Well I can let Nintendo slide on that. After all, there would have been many upset kindergartners for us grown folks to deal with if the puzzles were any harder.

What else, what else? Hmm, I know there was something. Hmm, can't remember. I think Wind Waker would have been a decent game if only there was just ONE change.
1. Having a Kirby, Mario, Ice Climbers, or Yoshi theme instead of a Zelda theme.
Then it would have been decent. Zelda was always meant to be mature. It was always supposed to have an intelligent storyline, realistic graphics, developed characters, and much much fighting.

I find it disturbing that so many so-called Zelda fans actually like this piece of crap. Say I'm not a true fan because I don't like dog turn with the letters Z E L D and A scratched into it. Say that and I'll read your post and shake my head at you.
They said that from scratch, Wind Waker was done in two years. I believe they made that in two years, it’s a hack game. Real Zelda games should take TIME to make. Zelda should be innovative and unique, not different and odd-balled.

Well there is my say on that subject. Now if you want, we can have a nice little discussion about the timeline.

As Wyborn said before his insult, its never stated that Link erased the future. True. However, it is never stated that the WW timeline was not erased. The Hero of Time left Hyrule. That's all WW says. Did he go back in time? Did he go to Termina? Did he die? Who knows?

WW leaves too many plot holes open for the MLT supporters to have a valid position. Ganondorf was also sent back to the original time along with Link. Why does he exist in the future? Why does he not exist in the original time? The MLT is based on faith that it is the way things just are. There is no logical explanation for it, and that is another reason why WW is a hack game.

Now lets say that there are two times. One with Link and another the other Link, whom I'll just call Dink for the sake of confusion. So now we have Link and his world, which if what WW said was true, the original Hyrule is now Triforce-less. The other timeline has the Triforce. So in other words, the next line of games will feature the Triforce world and Dink. As for Link who is three or four temporal dimensions down the road, ah screw em!

Yeah, that sure is one great storyline. And even if they do jump between Links, that's one hell of gap to cross just because Myamoto wants to play multiple choice with the series.

And if Zelda knew so much about the Triforce, why did she send Link back? So he would lose the Triforce of Courage and Ganon could rise once again? If so, then I must say that Zelda of OoT was pretty good F*** up of a princess.

Now that I've sealed the MLT in the void of the evil realm, lets get back to mine. In OoT at the end after the Sages appear on Death Mountain, the sky is sucked into itself and only a white void is left. After this, Link appears back in the Temple of Time to close the road between times and erase the future from happening. I believe that the sky being sucked into itself and the white void was actually THAT future being pulled into nothingness. If that is the case, and I believe it was, WW wouldn't make a difference.

This is not a revision of the OLT. I have always believed that the future was erased. Now I just have a good reason to believe it more strongly.

Get a nightlife.

[Mikey]

Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to remember it along with every other derogatory remark that has been thrown at me by immature children.

I still come here because I have to post my god awesome fanficion.

I still debate because the rest of this forum is pretty much dead. The lack of forum goers = lack of forum goers reading my fic. If I bring up a debate that is interesting then it gives people something else to click on besides the "one word per post" Zelda topics.

I post my theory to kind of reflect on what Zelda could have been, same goes for my fanfic.

I am surprised at how many so-called mature gamers here post nothing but insults and smart @ss remarks.

I dislike Wind Waker because of it story line first of all. It has more plot holes than the original NES game Pitfall has glitches. If you don't remember that game then you are probably too young, and if that were the case the joke would go over your head anyway.

Second was the gameplay. Not very innovative, or original. It was just like OoT except for some basic camera movements.

The fighting was good, but not great. It was very basic, and there was defiantly no challenge to defeating an enemy. The attacks were wacky, goofy even. The kind of stuff you would see in the Matrix, just a lot more kiddy and unrealistic.

The music was terrible. It reminded me of my childhood when I would lay in my crib and the airplane chandelier would spin around. The chimey, happy clappy music was sickening. The composition was a complete hack job.

If I were to just say "The length was bad", that short description would describe Wind Waker in ever aspect. The length of the game only maxed out at about 20 hours, not including the many bathroom breaks to go vomit after seeing Tingle prance around like some kind of fruit.

The puzzles? Well I can let Nintendo slide on that. After all, there would have been many upset kindergartners for us grown folks to deal with if the puzzles were any harder.

What else, what else? Hmm, I know there was something. Hmm, can't remember. I think Wind Waker would have been a decent game if only there was just ONE change.
1. Having a Kirby, Mario, Ice Climbers, or Yoshi theme instead of a Zelda theme.
Then it would have been decent. Zelda was always meant to be mature. It was always supposed to have an intelligent storyline, realistic graphics, developed characters, and much much fighting.

I find it disturbing that so many so-called Zelda fans actually like this piece of crap. Say I'm not a true fan because I don't like dog turn with the letters Z E L D and A scratched into it. Say that and I'll read your post and shake my head at you.
They said that from scratch, Wind Waker was done in two years. I believe they made that in two years, it’s a hack game. Real Zelda games should take TIME to make. Zelda should be innovative and unique, not different and odd-balled.

Well there is my say on that subject. Now if you want, we can have a nice little discussion about the timeline.

As Wyborn said before his insult, its never stated that Link erased the future. True. However, it is never stated that the WW timeline was not erased. The Hero of Time left Hyrule. That's all WW says. Did he go back in time? Did he go to Termina? Did he die? Who knows?

WW leaves too many plot holes open for the MLT supporters to have a valid position. Ganondorf was also sent back to the original time along with Link. Why does he exist in the future? Why does he not exist in the original time? The MLT is based on faith that it is the way things just are. There is no logical explanation for it, and that is another reason why WW is a hack game.

Now lets say that there are two times. One with Link and another the other Link, whom I'll just call Dink for the sake of confusion. So now we have Link and his world, which if what WW said was true, the original Hyrule is now Triforce-less. The other timeline has the Triforce. So in other words, the next line of games will feature the Triforce world and Dink. As for Link who is three or four temporal dimensions down the road, ah screw em!

Yeah, that sure is one great storyline. And even if they do jump between Links, that's one hell of gap to cross just because Myamoto wants to play multiple choice with the series.

And if Zelda knew so much about the Triforce, why did she send Link back? So he would lose the Triforce of Courage and Ganon could rise once again? If so, then I must say that Zelda of OoT was pretty good F*** up of a princess.

Now that I've sealed the MLT in the void of the evil realm, lets get back to mine. In OoT at the end after the Sages appear on Death Mountain, the sky is sucked into itself and only a white void is left. After this, Link appears back in the Temple of Time to close the road between times and erase the future from happening. I believe that the sky being sucked into itself and the white void was actually THAT future being pulled into nothingness. If that is the case, and I believe it was, WW wouldn't make a difference.

This is not a revision of the OLT. I have always believed that the future was erased. Now I just have a good reason to believe it more strongly.

Get a nightlife.

[Wyborn]

Only Ganondorf wasn't sent back in time; he was sealed in the Evil Realm, which, for all intents an purposes, was also split into two.

The fact that we played Wind Waker is proof enough that it happened; any convoluted reasoning you've come up with isn't only flawed, it's painfully wrong. Not to mention that Wind Waker isn't theo nly game to have a different Link...

Now, unless you can post a REAL argument next time, as in something that isn't "you're wrong because I say so", then I am going to lock this topic for defamation, because you've basically admitted to trying to start a flame war. [img]smile.gif[/img] And yes, I can do that. Try me

[Wyborn]

Only Ganondorf wasn't sent back in time; he was sealed in the Evil Realm, which, for all intents an purposes, was also split into two.

The fact that we played Wind Waker is proof enough that it happened; any convoluted reasoning you've come up with isn't only flawed, it's painfully wrong. Not to mention that Wind Waker isn't theo nly game to have a different Link...

Now, unless you can post a REAL argument next time, as in something that isn't "you're wrong because I say so", then I am going to lock this topic for defamation, because you've basically admitted to trying to start a flame war. [img]smile.gif[/img] And yes, I can do that. Try me

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Deity Link:
moron. listen. in almost ANY situation in stories/movies/anime it is an understoo that when something happens like someone is set back in time two timelines created. i sat up 2 4 in the mourning talking about timelines with one of my older friends one time ( about 1 year ago and he was 21 then) . our example was DBZ sorry for all who don't know DBZ but this i the simplest wayto explain it 4 me.

trunks is sent back in time to stop evet yadda from happening. he does. if he were to go into the future he would gointo a good future, so then how does this say that another timeline exhists?
1# he still has memories of tht future
2# he is alive! same with his other younger self!
he couldn't possibly be alive if there was no future timeline because if the dark future vanished he should have also!

so quit complaining and talking about some "mature" zelda with your mindless blood and gore

No! If he crosses the time barriers then he becomes apart of that time, and thus he exists as a new being outside of the effects of his time. DBZ was the exeption to the rule since DBZ wanted Trunks to go back to his time and fight the droids and Cell. They also needed an explination as to how Cell went back in time to get the androids. DBZ made it make sense in their own way. That doesn't mean that it happens like that with everything else.

Back to the Future was a prime example. Marty had memories of his dad being a nerd that got pushed around by Biff. Yet he changed the future by giving his dad the confidence he needed to be a success. Doc always said that the future is not set, it is what you make it. Whenever they went into the future it was always one possible future. If they went back to the past and changed it then went forward into the same time the world would be different. This is because changing history writes over the future.

Thanks for the constructive post BTW.

Get a nightlife.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Deity Link:
moron. listen. in almost ANY situation in stories/movies/anime it is an understoo that when something happens like someone is set back in time two timelines created. i sat up 2 4 in the mourning talking about timelines with one of my older friends one time ( about 1 year ago and he was 21 then) . our example was DBZ sorry for all who don't know DBZ but this i the simplest wayto explain it 4 me.

trunks is sent back in time to stop evet yadda from happening. he does. if he were to go into the future he would gointo a good future, so then how does this say that another timeline exhists?
1# he still has memories of tht future
2# he is alive! same with his other younger self!
he couldn't possibly be alive if there was no future timeline because if the dark future vanished he should have also!

so quit complaining and talking about some "mature" zelda with your mindless blood and gore

No! If he crosses the time barriers then he becomes apart of that time, and thus he exists as a new being outside of the effects of his time. DBZ was the exeption to the rule since DBZ wanted Trunks to go back to his time and fight the droids and Cell. They also needed an explination as to how Cell went back in time to get the androids. DBZ made it make sense in their own way. That doesn't mean that it happens like that with everything else.

Back to the Future was a prime example. Marty had memories of his dad being a nerd that got pushed around by Biff. Yet he changed the future by giving his dad the confidence he needed to be a success. Doc always said that the future is not set, it is what you make it. Whenever they went into the future it was always one possible future. If they went back to the past and changed it then went forward into the same time the world would be different. This is because changing history writes over the future.

Thanks for the constructive post BTW.

Get a nightlife.

[Wyborn]

Any sophisticated time travel story goes with the alternating timeline thing; Back to the Future was the exception, and not a very good one.

[Wyborn]

Any sophisticated time travel story goes with the alternating timeline thing; Back to the Future was the exception, and not a very good one.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Pedro, the Wind Demon:
Oh wait! This can't be!

A personal apology from Shigeru himself to people like Mikey!

To bad for you I recognized the site. You better know that this kind of ***** isn't wanted in my topic.
Hey you Moderators really need to get in this guy's @$$ for that URL he posted. It's a pop up trap.

Get a nightlife.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Pedro, the Wind Demon:
Oh wait! This can't be!

A personal apology from Shigeru himself to people like Mikey!

To bad for you I recognized the site. You better know that this kind of ***** isn't wanted in my topic.
Hey you Moderators really need to get in this guy's @$$ for that URL he posted. It's a pop up trap.

Get a nightlife.

[Wyborn]

to Mario Jr. for that one. Still, don't do it again, people besides the target might click on it.

...and I'm not getting in anybody's ass, thank you.

[ June 07, 2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Wyborn ]

[Wyborn]

to Mario Jr. for that one. Still, don't do it again, people besides the target might click on it.

...and I'm not getting in anybody's ass, thank you.

[ June 07, 2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Wyborn ]

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Wyborn:
Any sophisticated time travel story goes with the alternating timeline thing; Back to the Future was the exception, and not a very good one.

BS. One stupid anime is not correct. Star Trek has done the same thing that BttF did. So don't go spouting off that everyone else is wrong just cuz a few people say so. Terminator is a great example. The Terminator comes back to destory the very thing that creates him. When he does, he must also be destoryed. That future never happens, it is overwritten, though the only reason it existed in the first place is because the terminator was sent back in time and thus its failure of the mission is what caused the future to happen. Great movie, I'll have to go see T3 next.

In the OLT, it is already proven that it's one Link through the entire series. I am just going to address the fork of OoT and WW unless others want to hear the rest of the story. I'd be happy to explain those parts as well.

The fact that you play Wind Waker's world doesn't mean that it existed. It's like watching a sitcom where the characters think "What would our lives be like if this happened?" then the screen gets wavey and blurs into the future. Just cuz you watch it doesn't mean it existed.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Wyborn:
Any sophisticated time travel story goes with the alternating timeline thing; Back to the Future was the exception, and not a very good one.

BS. One stupid anime is not correct. Star Trek has done the same thing that BttF did. So don't go spouting off that everyone else is wrong just cuz a few people say so. Terminator is a great example. The Terminator comes back to destory the very thing that creates him. When he does, he must also be destoryed. That future never happens, it is overwritten, though the only reason it existed in the first place is because the terminator was sent back in time and thus its failure of the mission is what caused the future to happen. Great movie, I'll have to go see T3 next.

In the OLT, it is already proven that it's one Link through the entire series. I am just going to address the fork of OoT and WW unless others want to hear the rest of the story. I'd be happy to explain those parts as well.

The fact that you play Wind Waker's world doesn't mean that it existed. It's like watching a sitcom where the characters think "What would our lives be like if this happened?" then the screen gets wavey and blurs into the future. Just cuz you watch it doesn't mean it existed.