What Zelda game could have been better worked on?

Gatekeeper · 12-14-2003, 11:58 AM

Basically, even though you have all practically told everyone a tenfold over, what would be your idea of what Zelda game needed SERIOUS work on (not minor, for every game is going to have minor problems). Maybe, what game could deserve a remake into being 3D (not counting the last three Zelda 3D titles)? If you could describe, that would be great as well. And, based on the same question, what kind of style would it be? And, what would you want to happen if it WERE made 3D?

I'd remake A Link to the Past. I loved this game to death, and think it was a lot better than anything Ocarina of Time dished out. The Dark World was a little anti-dark, and the bunny Link was slightly overdone (pink?? -_-;

. But to see it re-amped into a 3D environment (without hampering with the story, of course...). I'd make the dungeons longer, and maybe put a little more character development in the storyline.

As for the style, it being cell shaded would be cool, but not in a childish way. If the characters still kept a believable proportion I'd be in a doozy. ^.^ And maybe make Ganon a little more big and bad like the nemises he is. More side quests.

Oh yeah, and for the game that needed more work... I'd say, Ocarina of Time. Character development is very shallow in this game, and the only ones you really see changing are Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf. The world of Hyrule fast approaching doom would have involved more people. Not to say it was a crappy game, this is the second favorite Zelda title I have! And putting a little more originality into the dungeons (much of it was the same kind of puzzle from previous games). And the ending...*shudders*

supperdish · 12-14-2003, 01:32 PM

WW (Mikey, shut up.)
LttP (Awesome)
Cel-Shaded, realistic environment
I don't know what the heck the last question was, so I just put Majora's Mask. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

El Barto · 12-14-2003, 03:24 PM

MM was pretty short; I think it needed a few more dungeons.

Gatekeeper · 12-14-2003, 05:55 PM

The last question is if you didn't care what I said and wanted to see the 3D game redone. Look at question two and you'll understand. ^.^ sorry for the confusion.

The Yoshimaster · 12-14-2003, 06:18 PM

1. None (whoever said Ocarina of Time should be shot)
2. Adventure of Link (It's the only non-3D Zelda that would work in 3D, in my opinion.)
3. Realistic, to an extent
4. Uh... not sure what it was asking, so I said Ocarina of Time.

Mikey · 12-14-2003, 11:21 PM

1. Wind Waker could have had a lot more effort put into it. It lacked so much.
2. Link to the Past. It should be 3-D and the world should be larger. It should also break free from the right-angled appearence and have more of a defined land formation.
3. Realistic to an extent. It shouldn't be as realistic as what I think Zelda should be like now, but no less than OoT. Link should breath heavily, but not need to stop. The Pegasus Boots do all the work anyway, so in that sense it should be more "unbelievable". The world should be darker though and the dungeons should be larger. Link's transformation should be something better than a bunny, like a fox or a dog.
4. You should have put in an option here to say that the person already voted for one of the above in question 2.

Get a nightlife.

Elrond is a Sashimi Shipper · 12-15-2003, 01:37 AM

Majora's Mask was way too short and easy.

SaraLyn · 12-15-2003, 03:59 PM

Done better?
1. Wind Waker - Too short
2. The Legend of Zelda - I know it was probably the game of its time, but I have trouble knowing what to do next. It's like they expect you to find your way to the next temple. While searching for the second, I stumbled upon the fifth, and while searching for the first, I found the third. I need direction! A blank, gray rectangle with a yellow speck is not a very powerful map...

2D -> 3D?
LttP, of course. But it's just as loveable as it is...

Realistic or Cel?
Doesn't really matter to me...

Why the hell should you listen to me?
Uh, I just put OoT. I understand not the question...

[ December 15, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: SaraLyn ]

DELICIOUS POISON · 12-15-2003, 04:04 PM

There are too many recent games that could have been done better. Sorry, I can't only choose one.

[ December 15, 2003, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: A.I. will KILL the INFADELS ]

Brooser Koopa · 12-15-2003, 04:15 PM

Link's Awakening and LttP would make great 3D games.

DELICIOUS POISON · 12-19-2003, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Legend of Brooser:
Link's Awakening and LttP would make great 3D games.

Screw 3D games, they're already great games.

SROA · 12-19-2003, 07:38 AM

Should be worked on more:
Alttp:more side quests,Zelda having better roles,named maidens(overall it is an execelnt game)
I want to see 3-D
LA:it would look cool

it would be cel-shaded but with the right propotions

I picked MM for the 4th Quetion

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-19-2003, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadow jr wants a pizza:
WW (Mikey, shut up.)

Does anyone else notice that even the people who agree with Mikey want him to shut up?
Kinda tells you something, doesn't it?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Princess Zelda of Hyrule: God Bless · 12-19-2003, 09:05 PM

WW. Mostly for graphics, art, and mood.

Virtual Cat · 12-19-2003, 09:06 PM

1. Wind Waker. Don't get me wrong. I love this game. It's just that there's too much sailing for my liking, and there isn't enough interesting (and big enough) islands in the game.
2. Link's Awakening. It would be interesting to see how a game like this could work out.
3. Cell shading, but with the right proportions and believable environment. I just think that this style matches the game, especially for Animal Village.
4. I didn't understand, so I just said Wind Waker.

Zavval · 12-19-2003, 10:41 PM

1. Adventure of Link. Nintendo needed to put more thought into the game. I dig the somewhat Megaman style of gameplay, but the insane amount of difficulty has only merited one playthrough for me.

2 and 3. I'd like to see Adventure of Link remade as a semi-realistic game. It had possibly the darkest story of any Zelda game and a pretty good one for a game of that time.

4. Ocarina of Time with enhanced graphics would be Godly.

christina · 12-19-2003, 11:02 PM

Wind Waker. I wouldn't touch the graphics. Love 'em. Might twinked Link's character design a bit. Made him at least 14. But some real major changes I would make would be the map and alot of the plots. First off, Great Fish Island would'nt have been destroyed. In fact, I would have it be imnhabited by Gerudo Pirates (the rivals Tetra spoke of that once inhabited Forsaken Fortress). They took refuge at this island after Ganon took over their home island and now live in a makeshift fortress made of old ship parts. After being taken prisoner by some of patrol boats, their leader (who has an uncanny resemblance to Nabooru) strikes a deal to let you visit the local water god, Jabun, if you gather some secret treasure from Tetra's ship, which was being docked at Windfall. Anyways, you get the treasure like you would normally do and you give it to the Gerudo pirates. That's when you discover the treasure was a bunch of bombs which they planned on using to bomb the entrace into Jabun's sanctuary. Realizing this, you immediately follow inside and have to cross watery dungeoun (harder than the previous two) in a race to get to Jabun first. The pirate leader gets there first of course and summons a huge water-elemental beast (possibly a mecha gyorg) for you fight. After the fight, the pirate leader comes after you with her sword but out of the water comes Jabun who swallows the pirate in one gulp and sends her flying into sky in a watery eruption. Afterwards, Jabun thanks you for saving him from the pirates or whatever and hands you Nayru's Pearl. Now this all does several things. First of all, it adds another dungeon which by all right SHOULD have been there and it adds a whole chunk of storyline that would have made the game seem more complete. Also, it opens a possibility for another temple later on in game as well as a third sage (rival pirate leader=sage of sea).

I could go on but I just up and decided to make a fanfic/online journal about it. XD

[ December 19, 2003, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Mikey Jr., that way I'm still MJ ]

The Yoshimaster · 12-20-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimmy:
1. Adventure of Link. Nintendo needed to put more thought into the game. I dig the somewhat Megaman style of gameplay, but the insane amount of difficulty has only merited one playthrough for me.

2 and 3. I'd like to see Adventure of Link remade as a semi-realistic game. It had possibly the darkest story of any Zelda game and a pretty good one for a game of that time.

4. Ocarina of Time with enhanced graphics would be Godly.

Everyone's always saying that Adventure of Link was really hard. I feel kinda proud since I've almost beaten it. (can't find the last palace)

DELICIOUS POISON · 12-20-2003, 12:18 PM

They were all liars. They just never had the patience required to start from the top of the map everytime they played. Heh.

12-14-2003, 11:58 AM	#1
Gatekeeper Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Gender: Posts: 286 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,316.78 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 1,826.78 Donate	Basically, even though you have all practically told everyone a tenfold over, what would be your idea of what Zelda game needed SERIOUS work on (not minor, for every game is going to have minor problems). Maybe, what game could deserve a remake into being 3D (not counting the last three Zelda 3D titles)? If you could describe, that would be great as well. And, based on the same question, what kind of style would it be? And, what would you want to happen if it WERE made 3D? I'd remake A Link to the Past. I loved this game to death, and think it was a lot better than anything Ocarina of Time dished out. The Dark World was a little anti-dark, and the bunny Link was slightly overdone (pink?? -_-; . But to see it re-amped into a 3D environment (without hampering with the story, of course...). I'd make the dungeons longer, and maybe put a little more character development in the storyline. As for the style, it being cell shaded would be cool, but not in a childish way. If the characters still kept a believable proportion I'd be in a doozy. ^.^ And maybe make Ganon a little more big and bad like the nemises he is. More side quests. Oh yeah, and for the game that needed more work... I'd say, Ocarina of Time. Character development is very shallow in this game, and the only ones you really see changing are Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf. The world of Hyrule fast approaching doom would have involved more people. Not to say it was a crappy game, this is the second favorite Zelda title I have! And putting a little more originality into the dungeons (much of it was the same kind of puzzle from previous games). And the ending...shudders

12-14-2003, 01:32 PM	#2
supperdish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: +3><@$ Gender: Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 7,054.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 7,554.00 Donate	WW (Mikey, shut up.) LttP (Awesome) Cel-Shaded, realistic environment I don't know what the heck the last question was, so I just put Majora's Mask. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

12-14-2003, 03:24 PM	#3
El Barto Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,710 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,564.30 Bank: 520.20 Total Points: 2,084.50 Donate	MM was pretty short; I think it needed a few more dungeons.

12-14-2003, 05:55 PM	#4
Gatekeeper Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Gender: Posts: 286 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,316.78 Bank: 510.00 Total Points: 1,826.78 Donate	The last question is if you didn't care what I said and wanted to see the 3D game redone. Look at question two and you'll understand. ^.^ sorry for the confusion.

12-14-2003, 06:18 PM	#5
The Yoshimaster Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Forest of Illusion Gender: Posts: 1,165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 3,782.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 4,282.00 Donate	1. None (whoever said Ocarina of Time should be shot) 2. Adventure of Link (It's the only non-3D Zelda that would work in 3D, in my opinion.) 3. Realistic, to an extent 4. Uh... not sure what it was asking, so I said Ocarina of Time.

12-14-2003, 11:21 PM	#6
Mikey Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 785 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 1,002.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,502.00 Donate	1. Wind Waker could have had a lot more effort put into it. It lacked so much. 2. Link to the Past. It should be 3-D and the world should be larger. It should also break free from the right-angled appearence and have more of a defined land formation. 3. Realistic to an extent. It shouldn't be as realistic as what I think Zelda should be like now, but no less than OoT. Link should breath heavily, but not need to stop. The Pegasus Boots do all the work anyway, so in that sense it should be more "unbelievable". The world should be darker though and the dungeons should be larger. Link's transformation should be something better than a bunny, like a fox or a dog. 4. You should have put in an option here to say that the person already voted for one of the above in question 2. Get a nightlife.

12-15-2003, 01:37 AM	#7
Elrond is a Sashimi Shipper Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The Treehouse next to the Adams Residance. Posts: 1,324 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 741.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 741.00 Donate	Majora's Mask was way too short and easy.

12-15-2003, 03:59 PM	#8
SaraLyn Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Located conviently at the corner of Bellevue and Link Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 689.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,189.00 Donate	Done better? 1. Wind Waker - Too short 2. The Legend of Zelda - I know it was probably the game of its time, but I have trouble knowing what to do next. It's like they expect you to find your way to the next temple. While searching for the second, I stumbled upon the fifth, and while searching for the first, I found the third. I need direction! A blank, gray rectangle with a yellow speck is not a very powerful map... 2D -> 3D? LttP, of course. But it's just as loveable as it is... Realistic or Cel? Doesn't really matter to me... Why the hell should you listen to me? Uh, I just put OoT. I understand not the question... [ December 15, 2003, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: SaraLyn ]

12-15-2003, 04:04 PM	#9
DELICIOUS POISON Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 16,925 Thanks: 579 Thanked 1,777 Times in 873 Posts Points: 17,851.57 Bank: 4,848,504.55 Total Points: 4,866,356.12 Donate	There are too many recent games that could have been done better. Sorry, I can't only choose one. [ December 15, 2003, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: A.I. will KILL the INFADELS ]

12-15-2003, 04:15 PM	#10
Brooser Koopa Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Over yonder points Posts: 3,048 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 797.00 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 797.00 Donate	Link's Awakening and LttP would make great 3D games.

12-19-2003, 07:38 AM	#12
SROA Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: ....It doesn\'t matter even if I told you............ Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Points: 654.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,154.00 Donate	Should be worked on more: Alttp:more side quests,Zelda having better roles,named maidens(overall it is an execelnt game) I want to see 3-D LA:it would look cool it would be cel-shaded but with the right propotions I picked MM for the 4th Quetion

12-19-2003, 09:05 PM	#14
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12-19-2003, 09:06 PM	#15
Virtual Cat Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The middle of no where (Also known as Iowa) Gender: Posts: 967 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts Points: 824.86 Bank: 552.04 Total Points: 1,376.90 Donate	1. Wind Waker. Don't get me wrong. I love this game. It's just that there's too much sailing for my liking, and there isn't enough interesting (and big enough) islands in the game. 2. Link's Awakening. It would be interesting to see how a game like this could work out. 3. Cell shading, but with the right proportions and believable environment. I just think that this style matches the game, especially for Animal Village. 4. I didn't understand, so I just said Wind Waker.

12-19-2003, 10:41 PM	#16
Zavval Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Gender: Posts: 324 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Points: 1,737.67 Bank: 743.27 Total Points: 2,480.94 Donate	1. Adventure of Link. Nintendo needed to put more thought into the game. I dig the somewhat Megaman style of gameplay, but the insane amount of difficulty has only merited one playthrough for me. 2 and 3. I'd like to see Adventure of Link remade as a semi-realistic game. It had possibly the darkest story of any Zelda game and a pretty good one for a game of that time. 4. Ocarina of Time with enhanced graphics would be Godly.

12-19-2003, 11:02 PM	#17
christina Newbie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: texas Gender: Posts: 4 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Points: 1,234.00 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 1,734.00 Donate	Wind Waker. I wouldn't touch the graphics. Love 'em. Might twinked Link's character design a bit. Made him at least 14. But some real major changes I would make would be the map and alot of the plots. First off, Great Fish Island would'nt have been destroyed. In fact, I would have it be imnhabited by Gerudo Pirates (the rivals Tetra spoke of that once inhabited Forsaken Fortress). They took refuge at this island after Ganon took over their home island and now live in a makeshift fortress made of old ship parts. After being taken prisoner by some of patrol boats, their leader (who has an uncanny resemblance to Nabooru) strikes a deal to let you visit the local water god, Jabun, if you gather some secret treasure from Tetra's ship, which was being docked at Windfall. Anyways, you get the treasure like you would normally do and you give it to the Gerudo pirates. That's when you discover the treasure was a bunch of bombs which they planned on using to bomb the entrace into Jabun's sanctuary. Realizing this, you immediately follow inside and have to cross watery dungeoun (harder than the previous two) in a race to get to Jabun first. The pirate leader gets there first of course and summons a huge water-elemental beast (possibly a mecha gyorg) for you fight. After the fight, the pirate leader comes after you with her sword but out of the water comes Jabun who swallows the pirate in one gulp and sends her flying into sky in a watery eruption. Afterwards, Jabun thanks you for saving him from the pirates or whatever and hands you Nayru's Pearl. Now this all does several things. First of all, it adds another dungeon which by all right SHOULD have been there and it adds a whole chunk of storyline that would have made the game seem more complete. Also, it opens a possibility for another temple later on in game as well as a third sage (rival pirate leader=sage of sea). I could go on but I just up and decided to make a fanfic/online journal about it. XD [ December 19, 2003, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Mikey Jr., that way I'm still MJ ]

12-20-2003, 12:18 PM	#19
DELICIOUS POISON Retro Nintendo Supermod Art & Literature Mod Metroid Mod Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 16,925 Thanks: 579 Thanked 1,777 Times in 873 Posts Points: 17,851.57 Bank: 4,848,504.55 Total Points: 4,866,356.12 Donate	They were all liars. They just never had the patience required to start from the top of the map everytime they played. Heh.