Why OoT?

[christina]

Hello guys I'm back for the New Year and ready for some action. Anyways, here's my first topic. Enjoy.

Everyone has their timeline theories. Some are very good. Others are total crap. Most are pretty okay. But almost always every one of them, MLT and SLT both, begins with OoT?

Why?

Now the most obvious reason is it's it's Ganondorf's first rise to power. Also, it's the first time he turns into evil pig-demon Ganon.

But if there are multiple Links why not multiple Ganons? We know Gerudos produce a male child every hundred years are so. We also know that Ganon has been killed at least twice and has only been successfully resurrected once in the Oracle series. It could be entirely possible that Ganondorf of OoT is just a decendant--or a physical reincarnation at least--of the Ganondorf spoken of in the LttP backstory. Not the same person.

HOWEVER! Multiple Ganon theories don't always fair well. It's okay for Link to reincarnate over and over but not for an "immortal" like Ganon.

Another reason why OoT would be first is that some of towns in AoL share the same names as the Sages in OoT. It is impliued by many MLTers that these towns are named after the sages themselves, possibly because they're the ones who founded them after the events of OoT. However, it could just as easily be implied that the sages are named after these towns which are perhaps legendary during OoT's time.

But of course, it's much easier to believe the former.

Another argument presented by most MLTers is that the final defeat of Ganon in OoT is the Imprisoning War spoke of in LttP's backstory. But this is just a theory that just implied. It's not accepted by everyone. In fact, some place the imprisoning war directly AFTER OoT, not during due to inconsistencies in detail. Perhaps there are a few simmilarities between the two stories but perhaps that only because the people in the game were trying to recreate an event that happened earlier in history. The sages seal was already created long before OoT ever began. The descendants of the original sages were merely trying restore it.

But then again, it's much more romantic to believe that OoT is the Imprisoning War. It is the closet thing we got to actually witnessing it after all.

Now I'm not saying OoT SHOULDN'T be first. No. Not at all. Infact, I don't even condone placing OoT anywhere but first in the timeline. However, I believe we should all think OUTSIDE the box every now and then and try some new theories, especially since the old ones are starting to get old and rusty.

So how where else could OoT fit on a Zelda timeline? Well, personally I would put it after LttP-OoS/A-LA, LoZ-AoL (In that very order). And then Wind Waker would follow after OoT. The Legend of the Sleeping Zelda, the forging of the Master Sword, and even the Imprisoning War are all historical events that took place in Hyrule long before the whole series began. According to my theory at least.

First of all, of course, is the creation of Hyrule (the world, not just the kingdom) by the three golden goddesses. Then many years later as the many civilizations begin to advance, the most prosperous of these nations is Hyrule which shares the same as the world they inhabited. Their leader weilded the power of the gods, the Triforce. With the power of the full force, they accomplished many things and became the most powerful nation in the world. However, the people feared the consequences of it's power should it ever fall into the wrong hands. Thus they forged the Mastersword to counteract the triforces power.

One day, the Triforce of Power was stolen by a Gerudo King named Ganondorf. He was was defeated by the Original Hero who weilded the Master Sword and was sealed away by the Original Sages. The Mastersword was placed in Lost Woods, awaiting to be claimed by a new hero.

Years had passed and the king eventually died. He passed on the Triforce of Courage to his son. His Daughter, the first Zelda, kept the Triforce of Wisdom hidden with her. The prince tried to force her to give uup her triforce but only ended up causing her to fall under a curse of eternal slumber. Remorsefully he locked her up in a tower in the North Palace, awaiting for the return a true hero to lift the curse on his beloved sister. From that day on, all princesses born in the Hyrule family were named Zelda.

LTTP

More years passed and the prince is now a King. He has a daughter of his own who he named Zelda. Link I is also born in the family of the original hero. Many disaters strike Hyrule. But these strange catclysm come to a sudden hault upon the arrival of a powerful wizard who manages to bring order and peace back to Hyrule. But this wizard wasn't all he seemed and manages to kill off the Hyrulean King and kidnap the maiden descendants of the original sages and sent them to Dark World where Ganon used them to break the Sages seal. The last of these Sages was Zelda II. In one last desperate attempt, she manages to contact Link, who quickly took up the job of retreiving the Master Sword and rescuing the seven maidens. Ganon was killed and Link wished upon the Triforce for his evil to be undone. Everyone that was killed by Ganon's evil was magically brought back to life including the Hyrule King and Link's uncle.

OoS/A

The triforce elements call upon Link I to go on a second quest to rescue two oracles and stop Ganon's minions from resurrecting Ganon again. Link manages to save both the oracles and Zelda but Ganon is revived anyways. However, since the wrong people were sacrificed, he was easily defeated and was sealed back into Dark Land.

LA

Link sails back to Hyrule but is lost in a storm. No one knows what happens to him afterwards.

LoZ-

An era has passed and these historical events become long forgotten. Ganon has possesion of the Triforce of Power but no one remembers how or why. Eventually, the seal had weakened Ganon was freed from his Dark Imprisonment. He immediately sets out to find the current Zelda and steal her Triforce of Wisdom. But she manges to break up her triforce and scatter the peices throughout Hyrule. She then sends out her nursemaid Impa to find a hero that would do away with Ganon as the previous heroes did. A wandering vagabond, Link II, stumbles upon Impa, as she's being attacked by Ganon's minions and quickly comes to her rescue. It is then he took up the task of saving Hyrule. He gathered up the Triforce peices and killed Ganon once and for all. The Triforce of Wisdom and Power are restored to Hyrule.

AoL-

The remnants of Ganon's minions set out to revive Ganon yet again and cause many distaters in Hyrule. Meanwhile, Link recieves a mark of the triforce on his hand, proclaiming him as the third incarnation of the legendary hero. It was then Impa told him the legend of the sleeping Zelda and how only the restoration of the final triforce peice would wake her from her unnatural slumber. Again, Link tasks up his heroic duties and travels throughout Hyrule to find the Triforce of Wisdom and unlock the door to the Sleeping Zelda. Ganon's ressuraction is foiled and the curse is finally lifted.

OoT-

Another era has passed and with the full triforce intact, Hyrule begins to prosper once again. But other races in Hyrule begin to grow jealous of the power of the Triforce and try to take it for themselves. This begins the Race Wars during which a lone hylian woman, bearing a child in her arms, seeks refuge in Lost Woods. She dies from her wounds soon after but the boy, Link III, is raised as Kokiri. Upon the boy's tenth birthday, however, he forced to leave his peaceful forest home to find the Princess of Destiny, Zelda IV and take up his quest to save Hyrule just like all the previous Links did before him. And just like the other Link, he retrieves the Master Sword, and this time uses it to travel back and forth through time to stop Ganondorf I's descendant, Ganondorf II, from taking over Hyrule like his ancestor did. After being awakened, the Sage desecendants restore their ancestors' seal and gAnondorf is sealed up just like his ancestor was. Are you beging to see the pattern here?

Afterwards, Link is sent back to his original time and this is where most people assume the series forks off. I'm not a big fan of this theory but for the time being I'm too lazy to continue this theory on and besides I' have OoT/Wind Waker theory coming up that I do not wish to spoil. For now, Wind Waker would come 100's of years after the bad future with yet another Link and MM is a few months after with the same Link.

Of course, this only just ONE of my theories. Nothing I would EVER claim as fact. Nor is it one of my best theories. But it's my first theories that doesn't place OoT first. And, as always, my theory is upon to both debate and revision. I hope you like it. ^_^

[Bodacious]

If all this were true it would really hurt my bowling average.

[dudeman5270]

*Shuts down due to brain overload*

[Enforcer Zeta]

Here's my theory:

1. The old story of the prince and the princess Zelda, wherein all royal daughtere hereafter are named Zelda.

2. AoL: a guy named Ganon obtained the Triforce 10 years before and attacked, but a hero named Link showed up and defeated him. His minions search for Link to resurrect him by spilling his blood on the ashes of Ganon, but they were unsuccessful.

3. ALttP: another guy named Ganondorf obtains the Triforce, but a series of sages seal him away in a war wherein many lives were lost. But Ganon sent his alterego, Agahnim, to free him by killing the descendants of the sages.

4. MM: After Link defeats Ganon, he befriends a horse named Epona, gets as reward for his good deeds an instrument called the Ocarina of Time from Zelda, and explores the Lost Woods. During his adventure, he gets sucked into Termina.

5. LA: Link sails to corners of the world unknown after his saving Termina and gets trapped in the Wind Fish's dream.

6. WW: Before he awoke, he dreamt about a strange world in which water covered most of it. This is most likely due to motion sickness caused by being unconscious on a raft.

7. tOoT: Hyrule enjoys some period of peace, but another guy named Ganondorf tries to obtain the Triforce and succeeds in capturing a part of it. Another Link rises to challenge him and defeats him.

8. OoS/A: Ganondorf is mysteriously killed and must be resurrected by Twinrova, resulting in Link's adventures in Holodrum.

9. LoZ: They succeed, but Ganon is sealed away again, but he breaks free and tries to capture Zelda again, somehow splitting the Triforce before this happens.

The moral of the story: If you can't piece together that tOoT is the first in the timeline from the available evidence, you shouldn't be talking about continuity. There are games that are obviously supposed to be one after another. I'm simply going to postulate their sequence, such as MM right after tOoT.

Certain clues should makes the fact that tOoT is first obvious:

1. The Hylians are the dominant land species in tOoT. Their blood is thinned to essentially the royal family and a few old sages. Unless there is massive inbreeding involving the royal family and commoners as well as selective genocide, it makes no sense whatsoever to place tOoT after ALttP.

2. tOoT's legends make no reference to previous upheavals. The other Ganon's risings do refer to some previous disturbance in which he was sealed away. There is no reason for such neglect in tOoT, especially when there is a sage from the old times present to tell the legends. Therefore, it must be that tOoT is also before LoZ.

3. Conclusion: tOoT must be first among the Zelda games released to date. Any other position for it requires fabrication of extensive conflicts not referred to in any of the games, their manuals, or even strategy guides.

[ January 17, 2004, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Android Psycho Shocker ]

[SilverWind]

Other things that point out why OOT is first:

1. OOT was sealed in the Sacred Realm in OOT while in many others it was in Hyrule itself.

2. Ganondorf converted to Ganon and was sealed in the Sacred Realm, and he remained there in the the intros of other games.

3. The legend in LTTP about sealing Ganon obviously refers to the events in OOT.

4. The existance of races such as Gerudo and Gorons eventually die out.

5. See how Link's hair and eyes eventually change from blond and blue eyes to brown and brown? Yeah.

[The Yoshimaster]

I think that WW should take place after OoT... since at the end of OoT (SPOILERS), Ganondorf says that one day he'll break out of the Cursed Realm. Hence the WW Ganondorf.

[SilverWind]

^-- LttP Ganondorf breaks out of the Sacred Realm too. I suppose that's why we believe in the double timeline.

[Elrond is a Sashimi Shipper]

I find it quite clear the MM takes place after OOT....um...maybe that's just me tho...^_^;;;

[Elrond is a Sashimi Shipper]

Ok, maybe I should make my opinion more clear. Lesse...um...first of all, they have the exact same graphics. Not a good reason, tho. Ok, if I remember correctly, Link in MM starts off with the Kokiri sword, the first weapon he recived in OOT. And isn't he supposed to be looking for Navi? Yes he is. And Epona..he gets her in OOT, I don't quite understand how he got her back after he returned to his original time. And, to top it off, an image of Zelda, the way she was in OOT, appears and re-teaches Llink the Song of Time....Mmmmm, I'm not sure bout the other games though, seeing as though I've never played them. (BAD NABBY!!) >.<

[christina]

APS-

1. Hylians are always the dominant race in Hyrule in most of the games. The Ancient Hylians with the power to hear the Gods however are the ones that are dissappearing over the course of the series, perhaps because of the careless interbreeding with other races. In LttP everyone still has long ears so therefore they still are Hylians. But they still don't retain their ancestors telepathic powers. Only certian people, mainly the royal family, were TRUE Hylians. This is the same case in OoT. While Hylians still flourished in Hyrule, one certianly were no more magically-adept than the Hyrulians of LttP. Only Link and Zelda and perhaps the rest of the royal family can be considered TRUE Hylians.

2. In OoT's backstory, they DO speak of a previous disturbance in which a portal opened up from the sacred realm and released an evil force. Whether this force is just metaphorical or an actual evil being is pretty much up to intrepetation. As for Rauru, the guy practically lives in the Sacred Realm. He could be dead or immortal for all we know.

3. Placing OoT first reguires the same exact amount of fabrication ore even more. Most just use the old "Obscured by the Mists of Time" line to cover up the conflicts in details between OoT's ending and LttP's Imprisoning War. However, the simple fact is that there is no "real" timeline because Nintendo can care less about continuity. Conflicting details will exist, whether you put OoT first, middle, last, whatever.

Silvie-

1. Something else was sealed in the Sacred Realm besides Ganon before OoT ever began.

2. Like father like son. That's all I can say.

3. Yet, there are major details in OoT, like the Master Sword, that conflict with LttP's Imprisonuing Wars. Yes, the stories are similar, but only because they were only trying to recreate an event that happened long before OoT. The Master Sword and the Sages Seal were all created long before OoT ever began.

4. Die out, or just recently arrived. It could be entirely possible that some of the races of OoT are not native to Hyrule. Ganondorf even reveals in WW that his people ca,me from a whole other country, not just from a small patch of desert on the outskirts of Hyrule. In fact, with so many races sudden;y immigrating into Hyrule, no wonder a Race War began.

5. A person's hair color changes yes. But not their eye color. But even if that's true, how does that prove OoT came first?

Well that's about it for now. I'll debate some more later.

[ January 18, 2004, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Mikey Jr., that way I'm still MJ ]

[LinkManDX, he come to town]

Another argument presented by most MLTers is that the final defeat of Ganon in OoT is the Imprisoning War spoke of in LttP's backstory. But this is just a theory that just implied. It's not accepted by everyone. In fact, some place the imprisoning war directly AFTER OoT, not during due to inconsistencies in detail. Perhaps there are a few simmilarities between the two stories but perhaps that only because the people in the game were trying to recreate an event that happened earlier in history. The sages seal was already created long before OoT ever began. The descendants of the original sages were merely trying restore it.

Some stories are retold and retold, and they change a little bit every time they are told. Would you not expect the OoT story would not imply to that theory? I do.

[Enforcer Zeta]

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a liar who makes up information to support his arguments.

This is the same case in OoT. While Hylians still flourished in Hyrule, one certianly were no more magically-adept than the Hyrulians of LttP.

Two quotations makes this assertion obviously ludicrous.
First:

AGINAH, BEFORE LINK BEATS DESERT PALACE:
If you have the Book of Mudora you can read the language of the Hylia People.

tOoT Link has no problems whatsoever reading ancient inscriptions in the Temples. It's obvious the Hylian blood has not waned in tOoT.
Second:

OLD WOMAN IN KAKARIKO:
Long ago, a prosperous people known as the Hylia inhabited this land...

The ALttP people do not consider themselves Hylians. They refer to the ancients as a separate people. tOoT Hylians make no such distinction.

In OoT's backstory, they DO speak of a previous disturbance in which a portal opened up from the sacred realm and released an evil force.

No, they do not. They speak of the ancient sages creating the Temple of Time to prevent evil ones from reaching the Triforce. Never did they say someone has succeeded.

Placing OoT first reguires the same exact amount of fabrication ore even more. Most just use the old "Obscured by the Mists of Time" line to cover up the conflicts in details between OoT's ending and LttP's Imprisoning War.

You've said presented a perfectly valid reason why the supposed conflicts in minor details in no way whatsoever prevent tOoT from being the imprisoning war in the ALttP backstory. It's only the ones who have no evidence to back their own arguments that they blatantly ignore the game's text in such a manner. tOoT is the only game that can be placed first. Any other first is just as good as my theory--that is, complete garbage.

1. Something else was sealed in the Sacred Realm besides Ganon before OoT ever began.

The Triforce, Chamber of Sages, Temple of Light. These items were sealed in the Sacred Realm, as Rauru explicitly states.

2. Like father like son. That's all I can say.

Once again, fabrications with no basis whatsoever.

3. Yet, there are major details in OoT, like the Master Sword, that conflict with LttP's Imprisonuing Wars.

Explain.

4. Die out, or just recently arrived.

Not possible.

THE OWL, ON LAKE HYLIA ISLAND:
The Zoras are guardians of the temple. Hoo hoo.
The Zoras come from Zora's Domain in northeast Hyrule. An aquatic race, they
are longtime allies of Hyrule's Royal Family.

He explicitly states 2 facts that contradicts such a possibility:
1. the Zora's heritage territory is the Zora's Domain.
2. they've been there for a long time, and they have been on friendly terms with the Hylians.
There are no friendly Zoras the Hyrule of subsequent games except MM, but that is obviously right after tOoT.

Well that's about it for now. I'll debate some more later.

Come back here when you have facts. Better yet, when you have some quotations. I don't mean ones you made up, either, like most of what you wrote in that post.

[SilverWind]

Originally posted by Mikey Jr., that way I'm still MJ:
Silvie-

1. Something else was sealed in the Sacred Realm besides Ganon before OoT ever began.

2. Like father like son. That's all I can say.

3. Yet, there are major details in OoT, like the Master Sword, that conflict with LttP's Imprisonuing Wars. Yes, the stories are similar, but only because they were only trying to recreate an event that happened long before OoT. The Master Sword and the Sages Seal were all created long before OoT ever began.

4. Die out, or just recently arrived. It could be entirely possible that some of the races of OoT are not native to Hyrule. Ganondorf even reveals in WW that his people ca,me from a whole other country, not just from a small patch of desert on the outskirts of Hyrule. In fact, with so many races sudden;y immigrating into Hyrule, no wonder a Race War began.

5. A person's hair color changes yes. But not their eye color. But even if that's true, how does that prove OoT came first?

Well that's about it for now. I'll debate some more later.

1. The triforce? Yeah, and the Triforce never left the Sacred Realm until then (which then became the Dark World).

2. A mother is never spoken of or referred to asides from Twinrova (well, surrogate mother), and there really is no evidence that he is not the same Ganon who remained in the Sacred Realm over time, because everything remains consistant (unlike in the cases of Link and Zelda).

3. The LttP story is very consistant with OOT, especially if you read it in Japanese. The finding of the Triforce mentioned in LttP is also consistant to what happens in OOT. This is without even taking into account the inconsistancies that happen when legends are passed through "centuries."

4. Ganondorf's country is the Gerudo area, MJ. [img]tongue.gif[/img] He is the king of the Gerudos, but ever since the alliances in OOT, it has been counted as a part of Hyrule. It is still his country though (note, he's still the king) and his descriptions of the desert and the desert wind fit exactly to the great desert. Oh, the winds of Hyrule Plains fit too.

5. I was pointing that out as a genetic thing. Blond hair and blue eyes are recessive, and you see in the generations of Link, as the line mingles with people who have more dominant hair colours and eye colours, become brown and brown. Their eye colours change too.

[The Yoshimaster]

But what about the Master Swords in Lttp and Oot? Are they the same?

[SilverWind]

^- They look the same, they're in the same pedstal thingy, they're both THE legendary sword, and if it can last properly from OOT to Wind Waker then it can from OOT to LttP. O-o

[Daos is running for mod of Banland]

Iv'e always believed Hyrule is bigger then the version we have seen. There have just never been the graphic systems to show it.

[christina]

APS-

Why don't you come back when you calm down. This is an open debate to get people think OUTSIDE the box for once and not accept things as fact just because everyone generally accepts it as true. I've already told everyone that I don not place this theory as any better than anyone else. It's a theory. That's it it! In fact, I much prefer OoT to come first. But if you want to start bashing people just because they provide a new way at looking at things I'm sorry but you'll just have to look for someone else.

Silvie-

You have made some very good arguements.

1. Are you so sure? I played OoT many times and no where do I remember it saying the Triforce NEVER left the Sacred Realm prior to OoT. What I do remember is that the a portal DID open before OoT leading into the Sacred Realm and something came out. What it was they naver made very clear. But whatevetr it was, that means something was inside the Sacred Realm besides the Triforce.

3. I know. That's why I've always believed in OoT first. But I don't believe every single theory under the sun should always begin with OoT. What I'm trying to prove is that it is possible to make a theory that goes against this rule. It might not be the most popular theory around but it is possible.

4. You have a very good point here. Though, it kinda makes me feel like the Gerudos where gypped here. What I think is that the Haunted Wastes are a passage way between the two countries much like how the Stardust feilds is a passage way between the MK and the BeanBean Kingdom. Meaning tht there could possibly be a much larger desert west of Hyrule. The Gerudos were probably a nomadic race that traveled from water source to water source in small caravans until the stumbled upon a ravine leading into Hyrule. Since Hyrule was already inhabited by a much more powerful race, they settled canyons between Hyrule and the Desert Wastes. But that's just me.

3. Oh, I see what you're saying now! But not every Link HAS to be related. Wind Waker Link for example could not possibly be related to OoT Link unless Link had a one night stand with Malon that we don't know about before he defeated Ganon and got sent back to his own time. Either that or Link wasn't sent back in time as soon as we think he was. Good point! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Enforcer Zeta]

MJ, the only thing you are challenging is patience. You can't claim your "theory" is better than anything else because it is significantly worse than anything seriously presented thus far. Stop wasting everybody's time, especially if all you can do is evade arguments, make up information, and being an idiot in general.

What I do remember is that the a portal DID open before OoT leading into the Sacred Realm and something came out.

False. tOoT never tells of such an event. This is the second time in this thread that I had to point out the same lie in your posts.

What I'm trying to prove is that it is possible to make a theory that goes against this rule.

And failing at it miserably.

[SilverWind]

Even though this is a discussion/debate, no insulting people, please. We do this in the general love of Zelda. If someone posts something incorrect, if you tell them gently, they'll (hopefully) get the message. ^^

Originally posted by Mikey Jr., that way I'm still MJ:

Silvie-

You have made some very good arguements.

1. Are you so sure? I played OoT many times and no where do I remember it saying the Triforce NEVER left the Sacred Realm prior to OoT. What I do remember is that the a portal DID open before OoT leading into the Sacred Realm and something came out. What it was they naver made very clear. But whatevetr it was, that means something was inside the Sacred Realm besides the Triforce.

They never said anything about any portal opening. It's true that they never say directly that the Triforce never left the Sacred Realm. However, there was no need to; the thought didn't even cross Zelda's mind. Here's what Zelda says about all of this (loz.zeldalegends.net's Text Dump) :

Zelda:

The legend goes like this...
The three goddesses hid the
Triforce containing the power of
the gods somewhere in Hyrule.
The power to grant the wish of the one who
holds the Triforce in his hands.
If someone with a righteous heart
makes a wish, it will lead Hyrule
to a golden age of prosperity....
If someone with an evil mind has
his wish granted, the world will
be consumed by evil...That is what
has been told....
So, the ancient Sages built
the Temple of Time to protect the
Triforce from evil ones.
That's right... The Temple of Time
is the entrance through which you
can enter the Sacred Realm from
our world.
But the entrance is sealed with
a stone wall called the
Door of Time.
And, in order to open the door,
it is said that you need to collect
three Spiritual Stones.
And another thing you need...is
the treasure that the Royal Family
keeps along with this legend...

So what we can infer from all of this is that a) Only the Triforce has been sealed in there, because that's all she or anybody else mentions, b) The Triforce has never been taken out because everything is purely legend and speculation (that and the world isn't overly good or evil at the time of OOT's past, and the fact that it still remains in the exact same place the goddesses placed the Triforce, and that there is no mention of the elder sages' seal breaking.

3. I know. That's why I've always believed in OoT first. But I don't believe every single theory under the sun should always begin with OoT. What I'm trying to prove is that it is possible to make a theory that goes against this rule. It might not be the most popular theory around but it is possible.

While it's fun to speculate about all sorts of things (I have a few crazy ones I've never mentioned meself ^^), making a theory that goes openly against a very solid fact (for instance, disregarding that Link has a sister and grandma in WW in order to better prove the OLT >_&gt makes it hard to follow the whole theory seriously. If we can find an alternate theory that doesn't dodge any major events, then it'd be great.

I'm gonna skip point 4 since we kinda got that done with. ^^

5. Oh, I see what you're saying now! But not every Link HAS to be related. Wind Waker Link for example could not possibly be related to OoT Link unless Link had a one night stand with Malon that we don't know about before he defeated Ganon and got sent back to his own time. Either that or Link wasn't sent back in time as soon as we think he was. Good point! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

*coughormayberighttherewithZeldacough* ...But anyways. *giggles* ^^

[The Yoshimaster]

Originally posted by SilverWind:
^- They look the same, they're in the same pedstal thingy, they're both THE legendary sword, and if it can last properly from OOT to Wind Waker then it can from OOT to LttP. O-o

But they're in completely different locations (alttp: Lost Woods, oot: Temple of Time in Hyrule Castle), and there are completely different requirements for taking the sword(alttp: 3 pendants, oot: 3 stones).