Hyrulian War--THE WAR ITSELF!! - Page 18

Rolls-Royce Man · 01-10-2008, 08:25 PM

*And then.....*

Um.........Hyrule was flooded.

Ganon came back and stuff....

Blake · 01-10-2008, 09:37 PM

Alright, well I'll spill a couple complaints. Hopefully no one takes it personally. Sorry if I sound like an a-hole. I can be anal about stuff like this.

Resources:
Yes I definitely abused this rule. I am against resources costing only two rupees to convert. It is almost essentially rupees in my opinion.

I think resources should be gained via number of territories you own. For example, maybe each territory gives 3 or 5 resources. By gaining few resources, it allows races to carefully choose what they should upgrade. If too many resources are offered, then we'll be able to upgrade like mad and obtain all our upgrades.

In addition converting I think should go along these lines:
10 Rupees = 1 Resources
1 Resource = 5 Rupees
The basic idea I think should be that we can reconvert our income, however, continually doing so will result in loss.

Training units:
The other rule I abused. I think movement bonuses and archer abilities should be suspended until next round. Other than that the rupee costs for archers, cavaliers, and horseback archers is golden in my book.

Research:
I'm for Warcraft III: The Frozen's Throne style here. In the expansion, they made researching cost a lot more lumber than in the original. This makes sense to me and I think it's a good idea.
It works well with the resource ratio I suggested above as well. It makes you consider what you want to use your resources more wisely.

So example:
Fortification = 200 rupees, 200 resources(this would add up to a whopping 2,200 rupees if you bought all the resources).
Units = Rupees

I also would approve of a WCIII FT researching calculation for stacking as well. Such as:
200 Resources Base + (Level * 50 Resources)
So the first upgrade would cost 250, second stacked would cost 300 and third stacked would cost 350 resources.
Edit: I did forget to mention that I do firmly believe the 5% bonuses to serrated edges and tower shields are completely fair.

IMO, this makes resources much more valuable than they were last game.

It also appeared that the serrated edges upgrade was more expensive than buying the troops yourself.

Example
1,000 Troops and '700 Rupees' for soldiers = 1175 Troops
1,000 Troops and '700 Rupees' for serrated edges = 1,000 Troops(1,050 Troop Power)

Again, if resources are gained through land owning, then yes Serrated Edges will be a useful upgrade and will definitely be worth it if it is lowered in rupee price.

So my basic idea is researching should be like 75% resources, and 25% rupees while troops should be 100% rupees(maybe a few resource exceptions).

Alliances:
Well towards the end you(Boo) and I were practically teamed up against 4 races. A lot of it was my fault for being greedy, but I personally began to lose interest in having to try looking out for an ally.

That's why I think races should only be allowed to ally once during a year for up to five months. If they break their alliance earlier than that, then they can not ally with another race until next year. In addition, alliances cannot be carried over to next year for 10 month alliances(there probably would be some exceptions to this rule, perhaps a 7 or 8 month max alliance if you ally up in October or November).

Once again sorry if I sound like an a-hole. I won't continue to directly argue or fight for these suggestions since I'm not GM.

Of course one of my weaknesses in this entire post and game is that perhaps I am also taking the game way to seriously, which may have caused me too somewhat make it less fun for myself.

Wootmaster · 01-10-2008, 10:00 PM

Yeah, no issues with starting over, except now I have to write all mu canabalstic bone-craft dark magic again, but thats fine with me V

V

**Booyakasha** · 01-10-2008, 10:13 PM

^^I invited you all to bring out your grievances and suggestions for putting them right. Just because you did so immediately, as if you'd had a whopping great list of them all set to go, I don't hold it against you. I certainly don't think you're some kind of ugly ignorant spiteful ingrate no-brain arseface from hell. Nosiree.

As far as actually responding sensibly to your suggestions, give me a little time to mull over them. I couldn't post a full reaction to them this instant anyhow--posting this from my PS3, and the browser's character limit is ridiculously small.

**Cravdraa** · 01-10-2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazy Ten

*And then.....*

Um.........Hyrule was flooded.

Ganon came back and stuff....

Victory for the Zoras then! Woo!

Good luck to all you losers that can't breath under water.

Also, did I see a ghost from the past on the last page? O_o

I like the ally setup as it is. As I explained to Boo, the situation really wasn't as bad as it may have looked.

**Booyakasha** · 01-10-2008, 11:59 PM

Nobody wins. Maybe Hyrule got overrun by hippies...maybe Godzilla attacked, and the old conflict was forgotten in the wake of the monster's swath of devastation...maybe the whole thing was a screwy nightmare all the generals simultaneously had the night before the real war was to start. Choose your poison, poisson.

**Wyborn** · 01-11-2008, 12:05 AM

"Oooo, look at me, I'm Boo, I use fancy words"

I think the alliance system is fine - what happened to you and Blake, Boo, seemed a natural (if unfortunate) consequence of one of you attacking every single race except for the undead. A two-fronted war was simply bound to happen.

**Booyakasha** · 01-11-2008, 12:27 AM

Ooh, look at me, I'm Wyborn, I've got a chip on my shoulder about what a sweet-tempered pussycat I am, so I overcompensate with loads of blustery faux-hostility!

Again, reaction to follow when I get on my computer.

Microphone_Kirby · 01-11-2008, 12:33 AM

^+^^

Geez, you two...

^^^^Oh, and I can swim just fine, thank you very much!

**Wyborn** · 01-11-2008, 12:45 AM

I hope you are aware, Boo, that this means war.

The Missing Link · 01-11-2008, 01:41 AM

Ah... look at our mods fighting...

They're just trying to deny the fact that they're weally weally secwetly in wuv wit one annuddah... awwwwwwwwwww

**Wyborn** · 01-11-2008, 02:57 AM

[insert awkward, unintentionally homoerotic reply here]

SilverWind · 01-11-2008, 03:26 AM

...I'd ship that. <3

**Cravdraa** · 01-11-2008, 09:28 AM

*fires the giant fish-bone balista at SK*

**Booyakasha** · 01-11-2008, 10:42 AM

TML, I cuss you so bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyborn

[insert awkward, unintentionally homoerotic reply here]

"Wyborn, you just made my list of things to do today. I mean, wait, that came out wrong. Cut it out, guys. Look, it was just a poor choice of words. Shut up. Shut up. Your mom."
Something like that?

I don't 'heart' Wyborn. I 'club' Wyborn.

**Wyborn** · 01-11-2008, 10:46 AM

Layers upon layers, Boo. Just layers upon layers.

Microphone_Kirby · 01-11-2008, 12:01 PM

^+^^

This must be the "highlight" of the day...

^^^ *rides on "Fish-Bone Balista" shot*
You thought I didn't see that coming?

**Cravdraa** · 01-11-2008, 12:17 PM

What you failed to realize is that I paid extra for this one to be upgraded into an exploding shot.

*balista shot explodes, blowing SK into shower of tiny pink confetti*

Microphone_Kirby · 01-11-2008, 12:19 PM

PURPLE confetti, worthy adversary.

01-10-2008, 09:37 PM	#342
Blake Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: A generic place such as a house Gender: Posts: 3,511 Thanks: 416 Thanked 111 Times in 89 Posts Points: 1,416.14 Bank: 27,015.06 Total Points: 28,431.20 Donate	Alright, well I'll spill a couple complaints. Hopefully no one takes it personally. Sorry if I sound like an a-hole. I can be anal about stuff like this. Resources: Yes I definitely abused this rule. I am against resources costing only two rupees to convert. It is almost essentially rupees in my opinion. I think resources should be gained via number of territories you own. For example, maybe each territory gives 3 or 5 resources. By gaining few resources, it allows races to carefully choose what they should upgrade. If too many resources are offered, then we'll be able to upgrade like mad and obtain all our upgrades. In addition converting I think should go along these lines: 10 Rupees = 1 Resources 1 Resource = 5 Rupees The basic idea I think should be that we can reconvert our income, however, continually doing so will result in loss. Training units: The other rule I abused. I think movement bonuses and archer abilities should be suspended until next round. Other than that the rupee costs for archers, cavaliers, and horseback archers is golden in my book. Research: I'm for Warcraft III: The Frozen's Throne style here. In the expansion, they made researching cost a lot more lumber than in the original. This makes sense to me and I think it's a good idea. It works well with the resource ratio I suggested above as well. It makes you consider what you want to use your resources more wisely. So example: Fortification = 200 rupees, 200 resources(this would add up to a whopping 2,200 rupees if you bought all the resources). Units = Rupees I also would approve of a WCIII FT researching calculation for stacking as well. Such as: 200 Resources Base + (Level * 50 Resources) So the first upgrade would cost 250, second stacked would cost 300 and third stacked would cost 350 resources. Edit: I did forget to mention that I do firmly believe the 5% bonuses to serrated edges and tower shields are completely fair. IMO, this makes resources much more valuable than they were last game. It also appeared that the serrated edges upgrade was more expensive than buying the troops yourself. Example 1,000 Troops and '700 Rupees' for soldiers = 1175 Troops 1,000 Troops and '700 Rupees' for serrated edges = 1,000 Troops(1,050 Troop Power) Again, if resources are gained through land owning, then yes Serrated Edges will be a useful upgrade and will definitely be worth it if it is lowered in rupee price. So my basic idea is researching should be like 75% resources, and 25% rupees while troops should be 100% rupees(maybe a few resource exceptions). Alliances: Well towards the end you(Boo) and I were practically teamed up against 4 races. A lot of it was my fault for being greedy, but I personally began to lose interest in having to try looking out for an ally. That's why I think races should only be allowed to ally once during a year for up to five months. If they break their alliance earlier than that, then they can not ally with another race until next year. In addition, alliances cannot be carried over to next year for 10 month alliances(there probably would be some exceptions to this rule, perhaps a 7 or 8 month max alliance if you ally up in October or November). Once again sorry if I sound like an a-hole. I won't continue to directly argue or fight for these suggestions since I'm not GM. Of course one of my weaknesses in this entire post and game is that perhaps I am also taking the game way to seriously, which may have caused me too somewhat make it less fun for myself. Last edited by Blake; 01-10-2008 at 09:45 PM.

01-10-2008, 10:00 PM	#343
Wootmaster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 6,385 Thanks: 340 Thanked 432 Times in 337 Posts Points: 2,137.68 Bank: 74,796.37 Total Points: 76,934.05 Donate	Yeah, no issues with starting over, except now I have to write all mu canabalstic bone-craft dark magic again, but thats fine with me VV

01-10-2008, 10:13 PM	#344
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,982 Thanks: 83 Thanked 437 Times in 258 Posts Points: 13,961.18 Bank: 37,381.20 Total Points: 51,342.38 Donate	^^I invited you all to bring out your grievances and suggestions for putting them right. Just because you did so immediately, as if you'd had a whopping great list of them all set to go, I don't hold it against you. I certainly don't think you're some kind of ugly ignorant spiteful ingrate no-brain arseface from hell. Nosiree. As far as actually responding sensibly to your suggestions, give me a little time to mull over them. I couldn't post a full reaction to them this instant anyhow--posting this from my PS3, and the browser's character limit is ridiculously small. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

01-10-2008, 11:59 PM	#346
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,982 Thanks: 83 Thanked 437 Times in 258 Posts Points: 13,961.18 Bank: 37,381.20 Total Points: 51,342.38 Donate	Nobody wins. Maybe Hyrule got overrun by hippies...maybe Godzilla attacked, and the old conflict was forgotten in the wake of the monster's swath of devastation...maybe the whole thing was a screwy nightmare all the generals simultaneously had the night before the real war was to start. Choose your poison, poisson. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

01-11-2008, 12:27 AM	#348
Booyakasha Mod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 6,982 Thanks: 83 Thanked 437 Times in 258 Posts Points: 13,961.18 Bank: 37,381.20 Total Points: 51,342.38 Donate	Ooh, look at me, I'm Wyborn, I've got a chip on my shoulder about what a sweet-tempered pussycat I am, so I overcompensate with loads of blustery faux-hostility! Again, reaction to follow when I get on my computer. __________________ Boo--the only dude bad enough to rescue the president

01-10-2008, 08:25 PM	#341
Rolls-Royce Man Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: BE PREPARED FOR YOUR MISSION. Gender: Posts: 8,566 Thanks: 218 Thanked 462 Times in 350 Posts Blog Entries: 7 Points: 14,123.01 Bank: 49,254.88 Total Points: 63,377.89 Donate	And then..... Um.........Hyrule was flooded. Ganon came back and stuff....

01-11-2008, 12:05 AM	#347
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 19,104.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 101,260.45 Donate	"Oooo, look at me, I'm Boo, I use fancy words" I think the alliance system is fine - what happened to you and Blake, Boo, seemed a natural (if unfortunate) consequence of one of you attacking every single race except for the undead. A two-fronted war was simply bound to happen.

01-11-2008, 12:33 AM	#349
Microphone_Kirby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Gender: Posts: 5,365 Thanks: 302 Thanked 160 Times in 132 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 1,003.47 Bank: 40,837.01 Total Points: 41,840.48 Donate	^+^^ Geez, you two... ^^^^Oh, and I can swim just fine, thank you very much!

01-11-2008, 12:45 AM	#350
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 19,104.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 101,260.45 Donate	I hope you are aware, Boo, that this means war.

01-11-2008, 01:41 AM	#351
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 15,746 Thanks: 87 Thanked 316 Times in 214 Posts Points: 15,479.38 Bank: 106,354.45 Total Points: 121,833.83 Donate	Ah... look at our mods fighting... They're just trying to deny the fact that they're weally weally secwetly in wuv wit one annuddah... awwwwwwwwwww

01-11-2008, 02:57 AM	#352
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 19,104.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 101,260.45 Donate	[insert awkward, unintentionally homoerotic reply here]

01-11-2008, 03:26 AM	#353
SilverWind Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Looking up at the stars... Posts: 8,225 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Points: 13,846.24 Bank: 500.00 Total Points: 14,346.24 Donate	...I'd ship that. <3

01-11-2008, 09:28 AM	#354
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01-11-2008, 10:46 AM	#356
Wyborn Zelda Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: All over the place Gender: Posts: 12,326 Thanks: 86 Thanked 439 Times in 269 Posts Points: 19,104.94 Bank: 82,155.51 Total Points: 101,260.45 Donate	Layers upon layers, Boo. Just layers upon layers.

01-11-2008, 12:01 PM	#357
Microphone_Kirby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Gender: Posts: 5,365 Thanks: 302 Thanked 160 Times in 132 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 1,003.47 Bank: 40,837.01 Total Points: 41,840.48 Donate	^+^^ This must be the "highlight" of the day... ^^^ rides on "Fish-Bone Balista" shot You thought I didn't see that coming?

01-11-2008, 12:17 PM	#358
Cravdraa VGF RPG Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It's round on the sides and high in the middle Gender: Posts: 5,863 Thanks: 54 Thanked 202 Times in 135 Posts Points: 27,565.43 Bank: 1,322,804.95 Total Points: 1,350,370.38 Donate	What you failed to realize is that I paid extra for this one to be upgraded into an exploding shot. balista shot explodes, blowing SK into shower of tiny pink confetti Last edited by Cravdraa; 01-11-2008 at 12:36 PM.

01-11-2008, 12:19 PM	#359
Microphone_Kirby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Gender: Posts: 5,365 Thanks: 302 Thanked 160 Times in 132 Posts Blog Entries: 2 Points: 1,003.47 Bank: 40,837.01 Total Points: 41,840.48 Donate	PURPLE confetti, worthy adversary.