Zelda Mini Mafia 3: MAFIA WINS

[EmoCL]

So in other words, he's anybody who's not link or a mafia burner.

That helps.

[Margarie Margarita]

Daos: I've been away the whole day today. It's Sunday. I went to church and then had fellowship with my church friends. I don't have access to a computer 24/7, you know. I do have a life on weekends.

Why is it that people FoS me when I'm really not at the computer?

--doublepost--

I haven't been afflicted by any of the mentioned status effects.

Now for my suspicions. I have a good feeling now that TML IS townie. I was actually thinking that HE was going to be targeted last night, but I get the feeling that the mafia is hunting down the inactives and keeping them quiet. I find it kind of interesting that Daos (who just came back to us) listed me as an inactive. In previous days, I've been pretty active. Then I go away for one real-time day and he calls me an inactive. That... raises a flag for me.

FoS: Daos

[Dr. Horrible]

Because it's suspicious. You may have a perfectly valid reason for not posting much, but we can't be sure and inactive members hurt the town's chances of finding mafia.

The fact that there are often valid reasons for not posting is what makes it a common mafia tactic. It's suspicious, but the town is wary of lynching someone who has simply been busy. What's more, until that person does post more, you've got nothing else to go on when you decide whether to lynch them or not.

So nothing personal, but:
FoS: SP
FoS: RF

Share with us your insights.

Ahh. Thar be insights. I type too slow.

[Margarie Margarita]

Speaking of RF... I'm surpised he hasn't been nightkilled yet. He's relatively inactive, and considering that the mafia is ousting inactives...

FoS: RF

[EmoCL]

A point is made. RF likes being inactive, doesn't he?

Well, maybe if we suspect him enough he'll come out and play. ;]

FoS: RF

I don't mean to hop on a bandwagon or anything, but he really hasn't posted anything of content, unless I'm mistaken.

[Dr. Horrible]

He made a brief case for not lynching Blake, but didn't really stick around to back it up.

[EmoCL]

^ I'll go reread stuffz and see what content he's posted.

okay, I gotit now. He posted that the Blake probably wasn't making up the burning thing. So he has posted content, it wasn't just a 'hayguyzimhere'. Still, it's possible RF just was a mafioso and thought Blake was townie so he didn't want to look mafiaesque and vote him...

Eh, there are a lot of possibilities, and I'm not gonna give any of them too much weight for now. I'll keep my FoS for now, but we'll see how that goes, I guess.

[Microphone_Kirby]

Originally Posted by The Missing Link

What does everyone else think about the people we have left?

Well... I have absolutely no clue. All I have is paranoia on everybody. For all I know, the rest of you are Mafia and for some odd reason, you're keeping me alive.

[Margarie Margarita]

M_K, if everyone here but you was mafia, the mafia would've won already. ;)

[The Missing Link]

CL, a bandwagon we have not until votes have been cast against the snot. (Stop this rhyming now I mean it! Anyone want a peanut?)

Anyways, here's the quote Deku Trii mentioned:

Originally Posted by Rayman FREAK

You're all so sure there can't be a burnt status effect? If the mafia were going to use (or claim to use) a status effect on one of their own, why would they risk making something up and having precisely this kind of thing happen? I can't get past that, so I can't say I think Blake is mafia.

The argument sounds really good at first blush... at least yesterday. Let's go back to our options, remembering this time that Blake has NOT been invited to take one of the replacement roles as Daos and Mushi have. Actually, before we do that, let's use this to our advantage first.

Blake was not invited to reapply for the role. This means he has some sort of knowledge that prevents him from filling either Wyborn's role OR ???'s role. (For what it's worth, the same odd decision has been applied to ZeldaGirl as well... I'm actually worried she has a really good role suddenly.) Anywho, because of the situations, Blake knows something that doesn't allow him to take either role. If Blake has KNOWLEDGE of the Mafia, then this means that he cannot jump into a Town or pro-Town Independent role. Meaning that Wyborn/Daos and ??? are both Town roles. This might actually go along quite well with the theory that Blake knew of the Mafia (and the Mafia knew of him), but Blake was separate from the Mafia. After all, he did appear as a freakish little blue guy at first, seemingly oh so innocent before becoming the eyeball of DEATH. Ahem. But it's a possible argument here at this point.

Now I say this knowing full well that there are some GAPING holes of logic that I'm hand-waving over here. Basically, there's certain to be a fringe case or three that I'm missing. But at the very least, it sounds like something I might be willing to believe.

That said, let's move onto the possibilities.

CASE Ia: Burnination is real, and burnination is a Town-aligned ability. I still don't buy this, but Blake could have just been really damn unlucky to have been hit with this. But I mean, this STILL doesn't solve the case that he didn't attempt to give us any indication of (a) what his role was (even a made-up role is better than nothing), (b) what his alignment was, or (c) what his win condition was. Still not pro-Town.

CASE Ib: Burnination is real and is a Mafia-aligned ability.
This begins to not make sense. If the Mafia could silence someone, why Blake? Why not me? I think, given my vocalness in this game, I'd have been a good candidate. But they use a secret ability on Blake instead. Why? To make him look Town? POISON people. POISON we know about. Poison would have been a better cover. And for what gain? They lose a member at the cost of not making anyone look Town. At this point, I think we can rule this option out for good. Just too unlikely.

CASE II: Burnination is not real.
I.e., Blake is a lying jerk. It certainly isn't pro-Town to flat-faced lie to the whole town once they're targeting YOU. Not pro-Town in the least.

I have one more theory about what this could be... HOWEVER, I'm not going to announce it just yet. Because I want to turn this over to the one who did the defence work.

Vote: Rayman Freak

You'll pardon me that I vote when I probably should FoS, but I don't feel like foreplay and want you to know quite well that I want answers and will not tolerate putzing around like Blake did.

Rayman Freak, answer the following questions:

• Why did you defend Blake despite his erratic behaviour?
• Which of the above scenarios that I have laid out do you believe to be the truth?
• Why do you believe that Vaati is labelled as an Independent?
• And explain why you think that Blake's behaviour yesterday would be pro-Town.

In short, give me a reason why I should unvote you.

[I am nobody]

MC Mushi Mo has replaced ???.

[Mikhail Gorbachev]

if burnination != real, I'm also lying
one other ailment could be ???’s.

[The Joker]

Fir off, I pulled my vote (if you actually go back and look) because it seemed to me like it was going no where. The first few posts before mine showed a general uncertainty by a few players who were not going to drop the hammer. At that point I figured if Blake is going to squeeze out of this little situation by his self sacrificing actions, then I should pull my vote and switch it to a FoS. At which point I was going to take a look at the members who where staying away from the bulk of the discussion about Blake and see if they all showed up in mass to rush vote him. More than a few members did this which was interesting to me.

In my opinion I believe that Blake wasn’t asked to come back, because of the way he played the game towards the end. He really wasn’t trying to participate at all. HELL! The guy even voted for himself to be lynched. I doubt IAN saw Blake as a good possible candidate to replace either Wyborn or Mushi. With his all around lack of interest in defending him self or offering some kind of useful information to the game, it seemed like he was just dead weight.

Now about the “Burn” status effect:

If M_K is now claiming to be burned I am willing to assume that it is a real night action. I doubt after seeing how skeptical we all were when Blake claimed that aliment, that M_K would go ahead and throw himself into the fire like that. He also seems to be posting at a 15 word limit.

(Really what the hell kind of status effect is that??)

I don’t know what to think about RF just yet. He joined the game really late and he was the one to point out that the “burn” effect could be real. I also was off on Blake being mafia and I was going to FoS Mushi possibly even cast a vote and he was a townie. So for the moment, I’m going to have to re-read the last couple of pages because I skimmed through them. I have to be way more careful now that we are down a few townies. Another miss lynch on top of a night kill will make this very hard.

[Microphone_Kirby]

Originally Posted by Joker

Now about the “Burn” status effect:

If M_K is now claiming to be burned I am willing to assume that it is a real night action. I doubt after seeing how skeptical we all were when Blake claimed that aliment, that M_K would go ahead and throw himself into the fire like that. He also seems to be posting at a 15 word limit.

Wait a minute! I did NOT claim to be burned! If anything, Mikhail claimed to be burned:

Originally Posted by Mikhail Gorbachev

Just received a (late) night PM. <_< Burned’s a real status ailment, apparently. (dammit ian)

FoS: Joker

I have no idea where you thought that I claimed to be burned...

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And one more thing, Joker:

Originally Posted by Microphone_Kirby

Another "quiet one" bites the dust... OK, down to business:

FoS: Mushi

Mushi, that vote felt like it came out of nowhere...
Where the hell were you before then? How about voicing your suspicions and thoughts NOW? Why couldn't you add something - hell, anything - to the conversation yesterday (Game time, mind you)?

Does that look like 15 words or less to you?

[The Joker]

^ My bad I meant Mikhail not you M_K

Like I said I was skimming through the pages and got the two mixed up my bad. But yeah Mikhial is the one that is burned.

Besides I wasn’t making any accusations either way against you or Mikhail. I was simply pointing out how Mikhail was also burned and thus the burn status effect is real. I didn't finger him as mafia and I surely didn't mean to bring any attention to you. It was a mistake on my part for trying to reply too quickly with out double checking whether or not I got the correct name of the person I was referencing.

[Dr. Horrible]

^^Mikhail said he didn't get his pm telling him he was burned until late.

Also I giggled that TML isn't fingering RF because he doesn't feel like foreplay.

[The Joker]

^ yeah I missed that part about the fingering....guess TML isn't as easy as everyone says j/k

[Microphone_Kirby]

Originally Posted by Joker

^ My bad I meant Mikhail not you M_K

Like I said I was skimming through the pages and got the two mixed up my bad. But yeah Mikhial is the one that is burned.

Besides I wasn’t making any accusations either way against you or Mikhail. I was simply pointing out how Mikhail was also burned and thus the burn status effect is real. I didn't finger him as mafia and I surely didn't mean to bring any attention to you. It was a mistake on my part for trying to reply too quickly with out double checking whether or not I got the correct name of the person I was referencing.

Don't worry about it too much. I understand.

... But I'm still watching you.

Originally Posted by Deku Trii

^^Mikhail said he didn't get his pm telling him he was burned until late.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I said... care to explain a bit? :\

[The Missing Link]

Provided all is truth, recent evidence narrows the focus of our investigation.

And Deku Trii, well... yeah, I'm not going there. XD

Originally Posted by Joker

(Really what the hell kind of status effect is that??)

It's a damned effective one, in earnest.

I don’t know what to think about RF just yet. He joined the game really late and he was the one to point out that the “burn” effect could be real. I also was off on Blake being mafia and I was going to FoS Mushi possibly even cast a vote and he was a townie. So for the moment, I’m going to have to re-read the last couple of pages because I skimmed through them. I have to be way more careful now that we are down a few townies. Another miss lynch on top of a night kill will make this very hard.

This is true. Rayman did give us an alternative theory. However, this theory HAD already been mentioned and explored, but over the course of the day it had more or less become unpopular to discuss whether the effect was real or not; we were talking about Blake's actions. So I won't fault him for that.

Be that as it may, Rayman took his (failed) eleventh-hour defence one step further, going beyond the step of "burnination-might-be-real" into suggesting that Blake wasn't Mafia as the result of that. Let's go through this quote line by line here...

Originally Posted by Rayman Freak

You're all so sure there can't be a burnt status effect?

A good point that had been discarded as uninteresting, but read on...

Originally Posted by Rayman Freak

If the mafia were going to use (or claim to use) a status effect on one of their own, why would they risk making something up and having precisely this kind of thing happen?

Stop the tape! Now notice where he's going here. He makes a very rational argument here, but he leaves out possibilities. He assumes that being burned is a Mafia-aligned status effect. Granted, I can't figure out why any Townsperson would own this, be the assumption is curious. Rayman automatically assumed we were working with Case Ib and completely disregarding Case Ia. Furthermore, I think many people had already pushed the point that Blake might be Independent... although given his actions, he was likely an anti-Town independent.

It's not a hammering nail, but it is extremely curious.

Originally Posted by Rayman Freak

I can't get past that, so I can't say I think Blake is mafia.

And BAM. This is where things get interesting. Rayman says that, solely based upon the fact that the Mafia wouldn't do something like this, Blake isn't Mafia. Now, granted, he's right... to a point, provided that the whole Independent alignment isn't there to throw us off, provided that... some alternate theory other than the ones outlined is legit.

Yet Rayman was absolutely mum about Blake's mannerisms. I don't know if anyone caught it, but Blake was online at VGF quite a bit during the past 36 or so hours of the day, yet he posted very infrequently despite the fact that he was going to try to undo the damage he has caused. My hunch is that he thought he might act erratically enough in order to wait out the clock... because Blake isn't a die-hard Mafioso (or presumably pro-Mafia Independent). He's not one that will argue the point till death.

Which brings me back to the questions pointed out above. Rayman hasn't commented about Blake's actions; I wanna know the answers. I want to dig into his mind and see whether or not his defence of Blake was purely naïve... or if it was a last-minute effort used to bail Blake out.

[Daos]

The new info about RF does indeed look a bit suspicious. I'm willing to hear what he has to say before I make any decisions though.

Someone asked what my old role was? I could check the bodies of the deceased and take their item OR see what they did before they were killed.