Timelines

Tad Venture · 06-08-2008, 11:50 PM

Disclaimer: People who argue Timelines do it for fun. The Zelda Timeline in particular is so much fun to argue because of the mystery and obscurity surrounding it. Things are left open for debate, things are fun to debate. The games might not even be related at all...but that's just no fun. So, here goes.

Me and my brother came up with this timeline on a long, boring car ride. We may have messed things up (especially times between, those were kinda last-minute), so bear with us. It was all from memory, but we had a lot of fun talking about it anyway.

A lot of theories came up from this, but I'm too tired to explain all of them right now. Questions, comments, your own timelines...whatever. This thread is all discussion, mang.

EDIT: FIRST CHANGE! I like LA better after the Oracles than where I have it. Thanks, X-3.

forgive my MSPaint skills. I wrote it down, but red pen doesn't scan well and I don't have any other utensils present. Also, the squiggly lines represent generation gaps...more squiggles = more time.

Four Swords has a question mark because we're not sure if it's canon.

Speed is just Speed · 06-09-2008, 09:49 AM

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Tad Venture · 06-09-2008, 09:53 AM

Naw...after Link went back in time, his family line totally disappeared. That's why, at the beginning of Wind Waker, it says "...But the hero never came." There was no hero. He was in a totally different dimension. The only thing keeping hope alive was the story of old, which is why the tradition on Outset Island became so important.

so I don't think there can be any games between OoT and WW on the Adult Timeline.

Also, I don't think it's possible for OoS and OoA to "link the timelines," as it says. People say that because of the similar beginnings, but I just think the beginnings are like that to give them a connection. I believe that as soon as Link got back from Holodrum, the Triforce sent him straight to Labyrinna. Plus, Beast Ganon is totally killed off in that timeline thanks to OoT...that's why WW Dorf had the Puppet Ganon. Which also takes out all games on the Adult Timeline between OoT and WW.

Speed is just Speed · 06-09-2008, 10:11 AM

That makes sense all of this Zelda timeline can be debated for years and we still won't have an answer this is just the timeline that makes the most sense to me. you did however make some good points, (Altough that Beast Gannon thing didn't make Jackcrap of any sense) I guess that OoS and OoA could link the timelines or further seperate them depending on how you look at it.

Tazy_10 · 06-09-2008, 10:28 AM

Zelda II was the latest one in the timeline.

Nintendo likes to fatten the middle....with fatness.

Tad Venture · 06-09-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by speed is OVER 9000

That makes sense all of this Zelda timeline can be debated for years and we still won't have an answer this is just the timeline that makes the most sense to me. you did however make some good points, (Altough that Beast Gannon thing didn't make Jackcrap of any sense) I guess that OoS and OoA could link the timelines or further seperate them depending on how you look at it.

All right, here's how I see it.

Ganondorf and Ganon, while being the same mind, are somehow, someway, separate. OoT, the first appearance of The Dorf, proves that they are the same.

So, Adult Link kills Ganon in the "Adult Timeline." Stabbed in the face, blood everywhere, cool stuff. Beast Ganon can no longer return to that timeline...because he's dead. However, Ganondorf was merely banished to the Sacred Realm and could easily return, which is what happened between OoT and WW. King of Hyrule floods the world, blah blah, it's a big mess.

Okay, so, TP. Both Ganon and Dorf are still around in that timeline, since YL never killed Ganon. Dorf breaks back from the sacred realm, TP happens. Now, this time, you kill Ganondorf at the end of the game, but Ganon is merely banished to the Sacred Realm (which later becomes LttP's Dark World). Notice that in every game I have after TP, The Dorf is long gone and only remembered in legends (a la LttP).

Make more sense now?

(also I think Aganimh is Vaati)

X-3 · 06-09-2008, 11:21 AM

^Huh, I never thought of it like that...Interesting. We'll have to see if future Zeldas keep up that theme.

Tad Venture · 06-09-2008, 11:26 AM

Yeah. And the reason that I think OoS and OoA comes after TP is because of Koume and Kotake. They tried to resurrect Dorf, but all they could manage to do was pull back Ganon from the Sacred Realm.

Tazy_10 · 06-09-2008, 11:29 AM

We can attempt to connect them, but Miyamoto will always be there to do random things to Link, so we can fit it into a timeline, so Miyamoto can laugh his ass off at it.

Chunky Kong12345 · 06-09-2008, 11:40 AM

TMC » FS » FSA » ALTTP » LOZ » AOL » OOT » TP » WW » PH
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Tad Venture · 06-09-2008, 01:05 PM

how can you have OoT that far into it? Miyamoto himself said that it was the first game in the timeline when it came out, automatically placing it before FSA, LttP, LoZ, and AoL. Plus, how do you explain Ganondorf?

Speed is just Speed · 06-09-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Famous Mr. Horsehead

So, Adult Link kills Ganon in the "Adult Timeline." Stabbed in the face, blood everywhere, cool stuff. Beast Ganon can no longer return to that timeline...because he's dead. However, Ganondorf was merely banished to the Sacred Realm and could easily return, which is what happened between OoT and WW. King of Hyrule floods the world, blah blah, it's a big mess.

Then explain why in the openning of Windwaker it shows beast Gannon as the ruturning evil?

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Originally Posted by The Famous Mr. Horsehead

(also I think Aganimh is Vaati)

I completely agree, then again by that logic 4 Swords and aLttP could be the same game.

Tad Venture · 06-09-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by speed is OVER 9000

Then explain why in the openning of Windwaker it shows beast Gannon as the ruturning evil?

It's a story book, dude. Things get blown up over time. Plus, Ganon did exist in that timeline at one point...

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I completely agree, then again by that logic 4 Swords and aLttP could be the same game.

huh? Naw. In LttP, Aganimh is described as "Ganon's Puppet," which makes me think that Aganimh is actually a corpse that Ganon gained control over. Vaati's corpse, that is. He figured, he had already manipulated him once (FSA), why not do it again?

***CaptHayfever*** · 06-09-2008, 11:07 PM

Any blindly loyal follower of anyone can be referred to as a "puppet," man; it doesn't have to be literal.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

X-3 · 06-10-2008, 07:15 AM

I don't see how Aganimh is like Vaati at all. I'm seeing Aganimh as a random ass who follows Ganon blindly. Though, when you kill him, Ganon DOES emerge from his corpse. I think...But still, I'm doubting it's Vaati.

Vaati has already turned into the eyeball of doom by the time LttP should take place, right?

I am nobody · 06-10-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by X-3

I don't see how Aganimh is like Vaati at all. I'm seeing Aganimh as a random ass who follows Ganon blindly. Though, when you kill him, Ganon DOES emerge from his corpse. I think...But still, I'm doubting it's Vaati.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gannon

"...It's unbelievable that you defeated my alter ego, Agahnim the Dark Wizard, twice!"

Agahnim had turned into a bat and flown into the Pyramid before the boss fight. Once you get inside, Gannon is the only one there. I think Aganimh is just one of Gannon's forms.

X-3 · 06-10-2008, 07:26 AM

^I'm pretty sure that after you kill Aganimh, Ganon emerges from his corpse briefly, then does the bat thing.

Or, atleast I think.

YouTube - Zelda link to the past Boss fight Agahnim (2 time) 96

That's a video of what happens...it looks like Ganon was controlling him, and leaves after teh body is pushed through too much.

Tad Venture · 06-10-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptHayfever

Any blindly loyal follower of anyone can be referred to as a "puppet," man; it doesn't have to be literal.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

But like X-3 said, Ganon actually rose out of Aganimh's corpse. Pretty sure that constitutes a little more than just a blind follower.

Even the outfits are slightly similar. I dunno, it just makes sense to me.

Chunky Kong12345 · 06-10-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Famous Mr. Horsehead

how can you have OoT that far into it? Miyamoto himself said that it was the first game in the timeline when it came out, automatically placing it before FSA, LttP, LoZ, and AoL. Plus, how do you explain Ganondorf?

Tad Venture · 06-10-2008, 10:43 AM

ack, I didn't mean FSA.

But look:

LoZ, LttP, AoL all came out before OoT. When they were in existence, Shiggy stated that OoT came out before them. Kinda hard to dispute that.

06-08-2008, 11:50 PM	#1
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06-09-2008, 09:53 AM	#3
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,664 Thanks: 545 Thanked 660 Times in 389 Posts Points: 86,852.62 Bank: 108,613.76 Total Points: 195,466.38 Donate	Naw...after Link went back in time, his family line totally disappeared. That's why, at the beginning of Wind Waker, it says "...But the hero never came." There was no hero. He was in a totally different dimension. The only thing keeping hope alive was the story of old, which is why the tradition on Outset Island became so important. so I don't think there can be any games between OoT and WW on the Adult Timeline. Also, I don't think it's possible for OoS and OoA to "link the timelines," as it says. People say that because of the similar beginnings, but I just think the beginnings are like that to give them a connection. I believe that as soon as Link got back from Holodrum, the Triforce sent him straight to Labyrinna. Plus, Beast Ganon is totally killed off in that timeline thanks to OoT...that's why WW Dorf had the Puppet Ganon. Which also takes out all games on the Adult Timeline between OoT and WW. Last edited by The Famous Mr. Horsehead; 06-09-2008 at 10:01 AM.

06-09-2008, 09:49 AM	#2
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Speed is just Speed Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fighten For My Friends Gender: Posts: 1,509 Thanks: 383 Thanked 70 Times in 62 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Points: 13,961.11 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 13,961.11 Donate	That makes sense all of this Zelda timeline can be debated for years and we still won't have an answer this is just the timeline that makes the most sense to me. you did however make some good points, (Altough that Beast Gannon thing didn't make Jackcrap of any sense) I guess that OoS and OoA could link the timelines or further seperate them depending on how you look at it.

06-09-2008, 10:28 AM	#5
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06-09-2008, 11:21 AM	#7
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 280 Thanked 323 Times in 240 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 14,005.48 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 14,005.48 Donate	^Huh, I never thought of it like that...Interesting. We'll have to see if future Zeldas keep up that theme.

06-09-2008, 11:26 AM	#8
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,664 Thanks: 545 Thanked 660 Times in 389 Posts Points: 86,852.62 Bank: 108,613.76 Total Points: 195,466.38 Donate	Yeah. And the reason that I think OoS and OoA comes after TP is because of Koume and Kotake. They tried to resurrect Dorf, but all they could manage to do was pull back Ganon from the Sacred Realm.

06-09-2008, 11:29 AM	#9
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06-09-2008, 01:05 PM	#11
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,664 Thanks: 545 Thanked 660 Times in 389 Posts Points: 86,852.62 Bank: 108,613.76 Total Points: 195,466.38 Donate	how can you have OoT that far into it? Miyamoto himself said that it was the first game in the timeline when it came out, automatically placing it before FSA, LttP, LoZ, and AoL. Plus, how do you explain Ganondorf?

06-09-2008, 11:07 PM	#14
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06-10-2008, 07:15 AM	#15
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 280 Thanked 323 Times in 240 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 14,005.48 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 14,005.48 Donate	I don't see how Aganimh is like Vaati at all. I'm seeing Aganimh as a random ass who follows Ganon blindly. Though, when you kill him, Ganon DOES emerge from his corpse. I think...But still, I'm doubting it's Vaati. Vaati has already turned into the eyeball of doom by the time LttP should take place, right?

06-10-2008, 07:26 AM	#17
X-3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brigade HQ Gender: Posts: 9,242 Thanks: 280 Thanked 323 Times in 240 Posts Blog Entries: 3 Points: 14,005.48 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 14,005.48 Donate	^I'm pretty sure that after you kill Aganimh, Ganon emerges from his corpse briefly, then does the bat thing. Or, atleast I think. YouTube - Zelda link to the past Boss fight Agahnim (2 time) 96 That's a video of what happens...it looks like Ganon was controlling him, and leaves after teh body is pushed through too much.

06-10-2008, 10:43 AM	#20
Tad Venture Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 23,664 Thanks: 545 Thanked 660 Times in 389 Posts Points: 86,852.62 Bank: 108,613.76 Total Points: 195,466.38 Donate	ack, I didn't mean FSA. But look: LoZ, LttP, AoL all came out before OoT. When they were in existence, Shiggy stated that OoT came out before them. Kinda hard to dispute that.