Who's the best Ganon?

**Valigarmander** · 12-24-2008, 05:21 AM

As cool as most of the other Ganons are, I'm going to go with WW Ganondorf, who was made to be one of the deepest and most driven villains in any video game, whereas too many Ganons seem to just be "rar I'm evil, hand over the Triforce". (I might not include OoT Ganondorf in that description, though.)

***Cosmonautical*** · 12-24-2008, 06:58 AM

LttP Ganon already had the triforce :P

I've picked him just because he was characterised very well through Agahnim and his creation of the Dark World.

***Marilink*** · 12-24-2008, 10:30 AM

This post is assuming that "Ganon" is talking about the pig monster, as opposed to Ganondorf:

I pretty much pissed my pants the first time I ever had to fight OoT Ganon, not gonna lie. But I don't think he's the best.

I really liked FSA Ganon. He was definitely a badass.

Edit: I hope the WW Ganon and TP Ganon votes were people mistakenly voting for Ganondorfs. WW Ganon is the worst in the series, and TP Ganon was a little strange--though I have a good theory concerning why TP Ganon was why it was.

***CaptHayfever*** · 12-24-2008, 11:54 AM

^In WW, it's Ganondorf, yes, but he's only referred to as "Ganon" in-game.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

***Marilink*** · 12-24-2008, 01:23 PM

Is he really?

well, even if he is, I'm pretty sure that would just be a misconception by the people, and they pulled the name from the in-game Legend. Doesn't the boss battle thing say "Ganondorf" at the end, though?

**Loot** · 12-24-2008, 01:50 PM

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heh · 12-24-2008, 02:33 PM

sorry, i voted for WW because ganon and dorf are the same thing to me and WW dorf was the best

**Valigarmander** · 12-24-2008, 03:10 PM

I created this thread at three in the morning, so it never occurred to me to label this Ganon/Ganondorf.

Let's say this thread is about the combined beings of both human Ganondorf and the entity Ganon, or at the very least the one who played the larger role in the respective game, as opposed to one or the other.

**Deku Trii** · 12-24-2008, 03:21 PM

I thought your first post did a pretty good job of revealing your intentions, given the reasoning for your choice.

RoboidTheRoboto · 12-24-2008, 10:04 PM

Zelda 64

**Galefore** · 12-25-2008, 01:01 AM

TP's was the most utterly badass (screw the people who say he was wimpy, he was awesome), but WW's was the deepest and probably the most clever.

CuccoLady · 12-25-2008, 11:10 AM

I figured he meant ganon/ganondorf/whatever.

I voted WW simply because of the character development. Also, I really really liked the fact that he fought with Gerudo style combat. That was pretty awesome.

Speed · 12-26-2008, 12:08 AM

*cough*ALLTHESAMEGANNONJUSTATDIFFRENTTIMES*cough*

CuccoLady · 12-26-2008, 04:48 AM

^ That's debatable. It's possible they're different incarnations of the same evil entity... like Link keeps getting reincarnated. Even if they ARE the same dude, they're portrayed totally differently in different games. The WW Ganondorf had five hundred times more personality than a lot of the others, so even if he is the same dude, his personality has changed or is portrayed in a cooler, much more badassed light.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 12-26-2008, 05:24 AM

Spoiler Below

Didn't WW Ganon become a spider? It was weird but cool, and I like 'Dorf's badassery in WW so it's an easy pick for me.

CuccoLady · 12-26-2008, 05:27 AM

^ Spoiler Below

a spider, that freaky puppet, and that obnoxious as **** moldorm-status thing.

**Galefore** · 12-26-2008, 01:57 PM

The Ganondorfs actually all look different from each other, and not in just a graphical sense. The nose changes the most, seeing as OoT Ganondorf had the stereotypical Gerudo nose but TP/WW Dorf had flat noses. I think it's the same guy, seeing as I believe there is a split continuum (as Aonuma and Miyamoto have said), and Ganondorf keeps breaking the seal. However, I believe some of the incarnations of Ganon have been different people, hosts, methods, etc. We've only really seen 'Dorf four times, if you count his appearance in LttP (in name only). As such, and since OoT is supposed to be the first 'story' in the series, we can assume that eventually old 'Dorf got worn out and the demon Ganon started creating new methods to come to the world.

Damn, I feel like I have no life for formulating goddamn theories about a videogame. :P

**Valigarmander** · 12-26-2008, 04:16 PM

***Marilink*** · 12-26-2008, 06:26 PM

That's utterly ridiculous. I love it.

Also, Puppet Ganon is the worst Zelda boss in the history of Zelda bosses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galefore

The Ganondorfs actually all look different from each other, and not in just a graphical sense. The nose changes the most, seeing as OoT Ganondorf had the stereotypical Gerudo nose but TP/WW Dorf had flat noses. I think it's the same guy, seeing as I believe there is a split continuum (as Aonuma and Miyamoto have said), and Ganondorf keeps breaking the seal. However, I believe some of the incarnations of Ganon have been different people, hosts, methods, etc. We've only really seen 'Dorf four times, if you count his appearance in LttP (in name only). As such, and since OoT is supposed to be the first 'story' in the series, we can assume that eventually old 'Dorf got worn out and the demon Ganon started creating new methods to come to the world.

Damn, I feel like I have no life for formulating goddamn theories about a videogame. :P

The way I see it:

Ganondorf and Ganon are two completely separate beings that can be controlled by one man.

OoT Kid Timeline: Ganondorf doesn't even get anywhere near creating the beast Ganon, since his time has been spent on taking over Hyrule. Which he doesn't do, by the end of the game.

MM Happens--no Dorf.

TP Happens. Dorf has discovered the beast Ganon within him, but has never taken the time to "Domesticate" it. That's why Ganon in TP is all feral and wild boar-like, as opposed to the upright Pig creature we see in every other Zelda game. Ganon is wounded by the end of the game, and Link kills Dorf. Every other game that follows in this line--(in this order)--The Oracles, FSA, LttP, and LoZ (and then AoL, with LA during), there's no Ganondorf at all, because Link totally killed him way back in TP. Ganon becomes the villain, and Ganondorf becomes a legend.

OoT Adult Timeline: Ganondorf spent the 7 years while Link was trapped in the Sacred Realm perfecting the essence of Ganon. By the end of the game, he's able to switch between them at will, and Ganon is the "domesticated" beast that we're used to. At the end of the game, Link kills Ganon (opposite the other timeline), and Ganondorf is merely sealed away.

Many, many years later, WW Happens. Ganondorf has never been able to revive his beast Ganon form, so he uses this bastardized version to appear bigger than what he really is.

As for the rest of the games: Minish Cap comes before OoT. PH happens after WW, but in the Koholint Timeline created by Link's Awakening (which comes halfway through AoL), because I believe that Oceus is the Wind Fish.

**Galefore** · 12-26-2008, 09:00 PM

Ah, that better explains what I was stabbing around at with my explanation. I had thought about it that way before, but never really organized it like that.

Bravo, that's all very feasible.

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12-24-2008, 05:21 AM	#1
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Who's the best Ganon? As cool as most of the other Ganons are, I'm going to go with WW Ganondorf, who was made to be one of the deepest and most driven villains in any video game, whereas too many Ganons seem to just be "rar I'm evil, hand over the Triforce". (I might not include OoT Ganondorf in that description, though.)

12-26-2008, 05:24 AM	#15
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Super Zelda 64: Flute of Time Spoiler Below Didn't WW Ganon become a spider? It was weird but cool, and I like 'Dorf's badassery in WW so it's an easy pick for me.

12-24-2008, 06:58 AM	#2
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	LttP Ganon already had the triforce :P I've picked him just because he was characterised very well through Agahnim and his creation of the Dark World.

12-24-2008, 10:30 AM	#3
*Marilink* Gotta catch 'em all! Supermod! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 29,118 Thanks: 2,535 Thanked 1,823 Times in 1,008 Posts	This post is assuming that "Ganon" is talking about the pig monster, as opposed to Ganondorf: I pretty much pissed my pants the first time I ever had to fight OoT Ganon, not gonna lie. But I don't think he's the best. I really liked FSA Ganon. He was definitely a badass. Edit: I hope the WW Ganon and TP Ganon votes were people mistakenly voting for Ganondorfs. WW Ganon is the worst in the series, and TP Ganon was a little strange--though I have a good theory concerning why TP Ganon was why it was.

12-24-2008, 11:54 AM	#4
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^In WW, it's Ganondorf, yes, but he's only referred to as "Ganon" in-game. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

12-24-2008, 01:23 PM	#5
*Marilink* Gotta catch 'em all! Supermod! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 29,118 Thanks: 2,535 Thanked 1,823 Times in 1,008 Posts	Is he really? well, even if he is, I'm pretty sure that would just be a misconception by the people, and they pulled the name from the in-game Legend. Doesn't the boss battle thing say "Ganondorf" at the end, though?

12-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#6
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	JOIN ME LINK, AND I WILL MAKE YOUR FACE THE GREATEST IN KORIDAI

12-24-2008, 02:33 PM	#7
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	sorry, i voted for WW because ganon and dorf are the same thing to me and WW dorf was the best

12-24-2008, 03:10 PM	#8
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	I created this thread at three in the morning, so it never occurred to me to label this Ganon/Ganondorf. Let's say this thread is about the combined beings of both human Ganondorf and the entity Ganon, or at the very least the one who played the larger role in the respective game, as opposed to one or the other.

12-24-2008, 03:21 PM	#9
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 9,031 Thanks: 521 Thanked 1,099 Times in 583 Posts	I thought your first post did a pretty good job of revealing your intentions, given the reasoning for your choice.

12-24-2008, 10:04 PM	#10
RoboidTheRoboto Newbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Gender: Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Zelda 64

12-25-2008, 01:01 AM	#11
Galefore EXPLOSION GOD OF MUSIC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Some studio somewhere Gender: Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 1,361 Thanked 826 Times in 535 Posts Blog Entries: 5	TP's was the most utterly badass (screw the people who say he was wimpy, he was awesome), but WW's was the deepest and probably the most clever.

12-25-2008, 11:10 AM	#12
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	I figured he meant ganon/ganondorf/whatever. I voted WW simply because of the character development. Also, I really really liked the fact that he fought with Gerudo style combat. That was pretty awesome.

12-26-2008, 12:08 AM	#13
Speed Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: If there's a bright center to the universe I'm on the planet it's farthest from Gender: Posts: 3,747 Thanks: 1,598 Thanked 320 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1	coughALLTHESAMEGANNONJUSTATDIFFRENTTIMEScough

12-26-2008, 04:48 AM	#14
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	^ That's debatable. It's possible they're different incarnations of the same evil entity... like Link keeps getting reincarnated. Even if they ARE the same dude, they're portrayed totally differently in different games. The WW Ganondorf had five hundred times more personality than a lot of the others, so even if he is the same dude, his personality has changed or is portrayed in a cooler, much more badassed light.

12-26-2008, 05:27 AM	#16
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	^ Spoiler Below a spider, that freaky puppet, and that obnoxious as **** moldorm-status thing.

12-26-2008, 01:57 PM	#17
Galefore EXPLOSION GOD OF MUSIC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Some studio somewhere Gender: Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 1,361 Thanked 826 Times in 535 Posts Blog Entries: 5	The Ganondorfs actually all look different from each other, and not in just a graphical sense. The nose changes the most, seeing as OoT Ganondorf had the stereotypical Gerudo nose but TP/WW Dorf had flat noses. I think it's the same guy, seeing as I believe there is a split continuum (as Aonuma and Miyamoto have said), and Ganondorf keeps breaking the seal. However, I believe some of the incarnations of Ganon have been different people, hosts, methods, etc. We've only really seen 'Dorf four times, if you count his appearance in LttP (in name only). As such, and since OoT is supposed to be the first 'story' in the series, we can assume that eventually old 'Dorf got worn out and the demon Ganon started creating new methods to come to the world. Damn, I feel like I have no life for formulating goddamn theories about a videogame. :P

12-26-2008, 04:16 PM	#18
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20

12-26-2008, 09:00 PM	#20
Galefore EXPLOSION GOD OF MUSIC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Some studio somewhere Gender: Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 1,361 Thanked 826 Times in 535 Posts Blog Entries: 5	Ah, that better explains what I was stabbing around at with my explanation. I had thought about it that way before, but never really organized it like that. Bravo, that's all very feasible.