The Rito (WW Bird people) don't make any sense

heh · 11-09-2009, 09:00 PM

Why would the Zora, a water based race of fish people, have to evolve into bird people to survive a flood.

If anything all the humans should have evolved into zora

I mean, all the other problems with the rito (how would fish evolve directly into birds, how would this happen in 400 years) can be attributed to video game logic, but this just doesn't make sense no matter how hard I strain disbelief.

To save this from being a bad impulse thread, I have another question based on my comment above: A Zelda game in which Link is a zora (like actually a zora, not a mask): a good idea? the zora are the most humanish of the zelda races, (well the rito too, but they don't make sense) and it seems like it could be done without too much difference and still be an interesting twist.

basically this thread is about the rito not making sense and how flexible zelda games can be at the same time.

**Valigarmander** · 11-09-2009, 09:15 PM

Maybe the Zora were a freshwater species, and couldn't survive in saltwater.

And it made more sense for them to evolve into birds for some reason.

**Cravdraa** · 11-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Except that the friendly Zora are also known as "Sea Zora" and that they lived in saltwater in both OoA and Majora's mask.

My explaination? The Goddessess did it. Sealing off Hyrule under the Great Sea wouldn't have done a whole lot if the Zora could just swim down to it. So the Zora were turned Humanish, and over time their connection with Valoo, the sky god, granted them progressively more and more bird like features.

PK FIRE! · 11-09-2009, 09:38 PM

I think that Cravadraa nailed it, I was basicly going to say that magic was the reason so yeah, As for Zora Link it sounds like it could be fun but I'd rather not have to muck about with swimming mechanics the whole game.

Now Rito Link could be intresting as well, I'd love to a flight capible Link, granted it'd proibly be limted to agauge like Medli's though given that he wouldn't need to carry a passenger it could be put to good use especily for stealth sections.

- You stupid dog.

heh · 11-09-2009, 10:01 PM

the gorons would actually need an evolution compared to the zoras. they could be be the flying race. there stone hump backs could evolve into hot air balloons and they could float around the seas ~~~

also next time there is a zelda game in a big sea? zora link. best idea.

e: also i guess the "god did it" explanation makes sense, except it would probably be easier (and piss off far less zoras) if they just put a giant rock dome over sunken hyrule, or a magic barrier, or made it invisible or put it in the sacred realm or something.

PK FIRE! · 11-09-2009, 10:27 PM

Warning in comming rambling rant.

You know this topic got me thinking about Wind Waker, I think the game's intro said that the great sea was supposed to be fishless (I might have recalled that wrong though). This brings up the issue of Those fish that fill in your sea chart? Why are they around if the great sea is empty? After that I began to wonder why the Islanders were alive if there are no fish to eat and a lack of geniral wildlife on said islands how could the survivours of Hyrule have lasted 400 years off of just crabs, pigs, seagulls? Next came the issue of how limited the gene pool is so I decided to just not think about it.

- You stupid dog.

heh · 11-09-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PK FIRE!

Warning in comming rambling rant.

You know this topic got me thinking about Wind Waker, I think the game's intro said that the great sea was supposed to be fishless (I might have recalled that wrong though). This brings up the issue of Those fish that fill in your sea chart? Why are they around if the great sea is empty? After that I began to wonder why the Islanders were alive if there are no fish to eat and a lack of geniral wildlife on said islands how could the survivours of Hyrule have lasted 400 years off of just crabs, pigs, seagulls? Next came the issue of how limited the gene pool is so I decided to just not think about it.

- You stupid dog.

i also just had the idea a similar idea that sort of counteracts cravs theory: Why couldn't the fishmen just swim down and find hyrule/the tower and make transforming the zora pointless? nobody knows

Metal Mario · 11-09-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Time Works The Same Way

basically this thread is about the rito not making sense and how flexible zelda games can be at the same time.

The Zelda games can be so flexible that they don't have to make any sense.

heh · 11-09-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mario

The Zelda games can be so flexible that they don't have to make any sense.

don't be trollin

PK FIRE! · 11-09-2009, 11:47 PM

How is that trolling given that Nintendo basicaly said that there is no continuity for the Zelda games, accepting the direct sequales?

- You stupid dog.

CuccoLady · 11-09-2009, 11:53 PM

I think that Nintendo wanted bird-people in a game. :{P

Well personally, I think that fish evolving into birds makes about as much sense as kids evolving into trees, and the latter didn't even really give them any adaptations save an adorable little Makar face. Wind Waker evolutions are cool, but they just don't make sense.

I like Crav's idea: THE GODDESSES DID IT.

**Cravdraa** · 11-10-2009, 01:56 AM

It doesn't matter if the fishmen could get there because they don't have legs. They couldn't walk around and muck up the sealed land or release Ganondorf by accident or anything.

CL according to the new Deku tree, that was always the Kokiris' true form. The old Deku tree had aparrently just given them the forms of children, probably for their own protection from the other races. But since that's not really an issue any more in WW, plus the fact that their plant forms are more practical in this new world, it's what they've reverted to.
Basicly, you could think of them as Forest spirits. They take the form of whatever the Deku tree sees fit, but I believe they always have child-like personalities.

***Cosmonautical*** · 11-10-2009, 06:48 AM

I think a game with Link as a Zora would be awful, TG. For starters, I still don't like the race, they didn't have to screw up 20 different enemies just to make some stupid fishman npcs. Similarily, I think water levels are pretty much the worst aspect of every video game I've ever played with water levels. Seriously, I don't care for them.

Robotazy · 11-10-2009, 08:46 AM

What if the entire game was water levels?

***CaptHayfever*** · 11-10-2009, 09:32 AM

^Interesting idea. I wonder if anyone's tried it successfully.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

***Booyakasha*** · 11-10-2009, 10:26 AM

The Rito might not make a whole lot of sense, but, as TP has shown us, there are much worse ways the whole 'bird-human hybrid' thing can be implemented.

***Cosmonautical*** · 11-10-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquatic Mine

What if the entire game was water levels?

Well... then I wouldn't like it.

I REALLY HATE POKEMON! · 11-10-2009, 11:19 PM

I think Link being a Zora isn't a bad idea, but I think they can come up with something better.

JaredThaJa888 · 11-14-2009, 03:47 PM

They make more sense then the Idea the Dinosaurs Evolved into Birds.

Chaos Deviot · 11-14-2009, 04:23 PM

^ I disagree on that. Technically, they have a lot more similarities. Most may think that the Pterodactyls took on the form of birds while the other dinosaurs were wiped out. How does a flying creature with wings turning eventually into a flying creaure with wings not make sense? The difference is that most of them are smaller.

11-09-2009, 09:00 PM	#1
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	The Rito (WW Bird people) don't make any sense Why would the Zora, a water based race of fish people, have to evolve into bird people to survive a flood. If anything all the humans should have evolved into zora I mean, all the other problems with the rito (how would fish evolve directly into birds, how would this happen in 400 years) can be attributed to video game logic, but this just doesn't make sense no matter how hard I strain disbelief. To save this from being a bad impulse thread, I have another question based on my comment above: A Zelda game in which Link is a zora (like actually a zora, not a mask): a good idea? the zora are the most humanish of the zelda races, (well the rito too, but they don't make sense) and it seems like it could be done without too much difference and still be an interesting twist. basically this thread is about the rito not making sense and how flexible zelda games can be at the same time.

11-09-2009, 10:01 PM	#5
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,849 Thanks: 710 Thanked 955 Times in 628 Posts	the gorons would actually need an evolution compared to the zoras. they could be be the flying race. there stone hump backs could evolve into hot air balloons and they could float around the seas ~~~ also next time there is a zelda game in a big sea? zora link. best idea. e: also i guess the "god did it" explanation makes sense, except it would probably be easier (and piss off far less zoras) if they just put a giant rock dome over sunken hyrule, or a magic barrier, or made it invisible or put it in the sacred realm or something. Last edited by heh; 11-09-2009 at 10:01 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-09-2009, 09:15 PM	#2
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Maybe the Zora were a freshwater species, and couldn't survive in saltwater. And it made more sense for them to evolve into birds for some reason.

11-09-2009, 09:29 PM	#3
Cravdraa VGF RPG Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It's Round on the sides and high in the middle. Gender: Posts: 8,470 Thanks: 171 Thanked 662 Times in 404 Posts	Except that the friendly Zora are also known as "Sea Zora" and that they lived in saltwater in both OoA and Majora's mask. My explaination? The Goddessess did it. Sealing off Hyrule under the Great Sea wouldn't have done a whole lot if the Zora could just swim down to it. So the Zora were turned Humanish, and over time their connection with Valoo, the sky god, granted them progressively more and more bird like features.

11-09-2009, 09:38 PM	#4
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	I think that Cravadraa nailed it, I was basicly going to say that magic was the reason so yeah, As for Zora Link it sounds like it could be fun but I'd rather not have to muck about with swimming mechanics the whole game. Now Rito Link could be intresting as well, I'd love to a flight capible Link, granted it'd proibly be limted to agauge like Medli's though given that he wouldn't need to carry a passenger it could be put to good use especily for stealth sections. - You stupid dog.

11-09-2009, 10:27 PM	#6
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	Warning in comming rambling rant. You know this topic got me thinking about Wind Waker, I think the game's intro said that the great sea was supposed to be fishless (I might have recalled that wrong though). This brings up the issue of Those fish that fill in your sea chart? Why are they around if the great sea is empty? After that I began to wonder why the Islanders were alive if there are no fish to eat and a lack of geniral wildlife on said islands how could the survivours of Hyrule have lasted 400 years off of just crabs, pigs, seagulls? Next came the issue of how limited the gene pool is so I decided to just not think about it. - You stupid dog.

11-09-2009, 11:47 PM	#10
PK FIRE! Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run. Gender: Posts: 9,544 Thanks: 175 Thanked 150 Times in 120 Posts	How is that trolling given that Nintendo basicaly said that there is no continuity for the Zelda games, accepting the direct sequales? - You stupid dog.

11-09-2009, 11:53 PM	#11
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	I think that Nintendo wanted bird-people in a game. :{P Well personally, I think that fish evolving into birds makes about as much sense as kids evolving into trees, and the latter didn't even really give them any adaptations save an adorable little Makar face. Wind Waker evolutions are cool, but they just don't make sense. I like Crav's idea: THE GODDESSES DID IT.

11-10-2009, 01:56 AM	#12
Cravdraa VGF RPG Mod Join Date: May 2001 Location: It's Round on the sides and high in the middle. Gender: Posts: 8,470 Thanks: 171 Thanked 662 Times in 404 Posts	It doesn't matter if the fishmen could get there because they don't have legs. They couldn't walk around and muck up the sealed land or release Ganondorf by accident or anything. CL according to the new Deku tree, that was always the Kokiris' true form. The old Deku tree had aparrently just given them the forms of children, probably for their own protection from the other races. But since that's not really an issue any more in WW, plus the fact that their plant forms are more practical in this new world, it's what they've reverted to. Basicly, you could think of them as Forest spirits. They take the form of whatever the Deku tree sees fit, but I believe they always have child-like personalities.

11-10-2009, 06:48 AM	#13
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	I think a game with Link as a Zora would be awful, TG. For starters, I still don't like the race, they didn't have to screw up 20 different enemies just to make some stupid fishman npcs. Similarily, I think water levels are pretty much the worst aspect of every video game I've ever played with water levels. Seriously, I don't care for them.

11-10-2009, 08:46 AM	#14
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	What if the entire game was water levels?

11-10-2009, 09:32 AM	#15
*CaptHayfever* Smash SuperMod Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: (n) - the place where I am Gender: Posts: 27,661 Thanks: 1,991 Thanked 2,486 Times in 1,513 Posts	^Interesting idea. I wonder if anyone's tried it successfully. And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

11-10-2009, 10:26 AM	#16
*Booyakasha* SuperMod of War Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wisconsinland Gender: Posts: 9,945 Thanks: 157 Thanked 1,481 Times in 763 Posts	The Rito might not make a whole lot of sense, but, as TP has shown us, there are much worse ways the whole 'bird-human hybrid' thing can be implemented.

11-10-2009, 11:19 PM	#18
I REALLY HATE POKEMON! Goku lives on the Sun Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: California, U.S.A Gender: Posts: 12,717 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 275 Times in 234 Posts Blog Entries: 1	I think Link being a Zora isn't a bad idea, but I think they can come up with something better.

11-14-2009, 03:47 PM	#19
JaredThaJa888 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Racine Wisconsin Gender: Posts: 676 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 15 Posts	They make more sense then the Idea the Dinosaurs Evolved into Birds.

11-14-2009, 04:23 PM	#20
Chaos Deviot The Betrayer Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mt. Moon Gender: Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 171 Thanked 52 Times in 49 Posts Blog Entries: 1	^ I disagree on that. Technically, they have a lot more similarities. Most may think that the Pterodactyls took on the form of birds while the other dinosaurs were wiped out. How does a flying creature with wings turning eventually into a flying creaure with wings not make sense? The difference is that most of them are smaller.