What kind of new locations should be in the next Zelda - Page 2

Master Brian · 03-05-2010, 12:16 PM

I think we've had one ship-based dungeon..."The Ghost Ship"(or whatever the correct term upon entering is) in Wind Waker, but Sunken Ships have appeared in one of the Oracle games, I think. If not, yeah, that'd be awesome.

We do seriously need more "spooky" dungeons, though. The lack of them is disturbing.

**X-3** · 03-05-2010, 12:23 PM

EDIT: Warning: random rambling

Here's a probably cliche idea: an ordinary dungeon, maybe some ruins or something. With traps, enemies, that sort of stuff. You get to the end, and...no boss. You get the QUEST ITEM and turn to leave...when the place starts shaking and weird noises play. Also, maybe flickering lights, that's always scary! Pots are thrown at you, new enemies arrive, and several new ways are opened. You have no 'portal', so you have to escape. Then at the end, you discover that the dungeon is either:

A: Possessed by some evil spirit: you kill it, escape.
B: The dungeon it's self is a sleeping monster somehow: you leave the dungeon, and it gets up and attacks you. Yeah, kinda silly sounding, but I like it. With the help of some allies Link manages to slay the beast, and it collapses. You can go back into the dungeon if you want: it's dead now.

Now that I think about it, this could kinda work with Tazy's idea: you get what you need, and then the slime dungeon comes alive.

^I don't think that was a full-fledged dungeon, though.

Master Brian · 03-05-2010, 12:36 PM

^Never said it was. Mini-Dungeons have existed since atleast Ocarina of Time. I don't think any of ALttP or LA were counted towards the mini-dungeon count.

***the Octopus*** · 03-05-2010, 02:52 PM

There was a half-buried ship in OoS, but it wasn't a dungeon. There was indeed the ghost ship in WW, and I was disappointed there wasn't very much to it. There was also a very large ship dungeon in Phantom Hourglass, if I'm not mistaken. You had to gather the "maidens" in it, ala Blind the Thief in LttP.

Master Brian · 03-05-2010, 03:01 PM

^ Or Ocarina of Time, which the ghosts were slightly more based off of(being 4 of them). They may have had the same or similar names, but I forget.

I did forget about that dungeon, I guess. Still not enough ship dungeons for my tastes, though.

**Valigarmander** · 03-05-2010, 06:13 PM

I can't think of anything. All the cliches have already been done.

Uhh... how about a temple that's just a really long corridor full of enemies, and when you get to the end there's a cinematic where it looks like you're about to fight a really cool boss, but then someone comes in and kills the boss, you don't get to fight anyone, and the level ends.

***DJ Blue J*** · 03-05-2010, 09:28 PM

I agree, ruins are usually win. I also like Boo's idea, with a social conflict you have to resolve within a dungeon. Also, Steampunk = awesome. Deku, that tide idea is awesome.

I've always liked the idea of an underwater city, too. Not just a water temple or a submerged castle, but literally an entire city that's underwater. Maybe it would be a city that flooded over and was completely abandoned, and taken over by some race of evil fish-creatures (AKA River Zoraaaaas).

Or Link could somehow get poisoned, and the dungeon would actually be Link's sub conscience fighting against the disease itself. It wouldn't even have to be inside the organs like Jabu Jabu's belly, but actually a wide variety of sceneries that Link would create in his head, or is forced to create because of the disease. This dungeon also has potential for a frighteningly awesome game over screen.

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**Deku Trii** · 03-06-2010, 12:49 AM

Maybe Link could find himself in a dungeon constructed by some hive-minded species of bug that's been corrupted by some dark relic to grow unnaturally large, aggressive, and assiduous in their nest building.

***the Octopus*** · 03-06-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Master Brian

^ Or Ocarina of Time, which the ghosts were slightly more based off of(being 4 of them). They may have had the same or similar names, but I forget.

I did forget about that dungeon, I guess. Still not enough ship dungeons for my tastes, though.

You don't have to lead the ghosts in OoT anywhere, they're not disguised as maidens, and they don't become the boss.

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I agree, ruins are usually win. I also like Boo's idea, with a social conflict you have to resolve within a dungeon. Also, Steampunk = awesome. Deku, that tide idea is awesome.

I've always liked the idea of an underwater city, too. Not just a water temple or a submerged castle, but literally an entire city that's underwater. Maybe it would be a city that flooded over and was completely abandoned, and taken over by some race of evil fish-creatures (AKA River Zoraaaaas).

Or Link could somehow get poisoned, and the dungeon would actually be Link's sub conscience fighting against the disease itself. It wouldn't even have to be inside the organs like Jabu Jabu's belly, but actually a wide variety of sceneries that Link would create in his head, or is forced to create because of the disease. This dungeon also has potential for a frighteningly awesome game over screen.

Could work, but it would be impossible outside of linearity. (linearity in Zelda titles really irks me, seriously)

Nintendo seems to be big on mind****s like that, though, so it would be cool for something. Actually, now that I think about it, that sequence could be triggered when you enter a specific place. There, now I'm happy.

Thinking back on Zelda II, it would be pretty sweet if they would bring back the Geru's fortress so you could infiltrate it. That was one of my favorite parts of AoL, navigating the pass. (lizard men)

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Maybe Link could find himself in a dungeon constructed by some hive-minded species of bug that's been corrupted by some dark relic to grow unnaturally large, aggressive, and assiduous in their nest building.

Yeah, a maze of tunnels infested with something insect-like in nature would be pretty awesome. Kind of like the egg-mines in Morrowind only much more fleshed out. Speaking of mines, an enemy quarry would be a pretty cool thing to include in a game. Minions slaving away to build a keep for some warlord, perhaps.

***CaptHayfever*** · 03-06-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

Uhh... how about a temple that's just a really long corridor full of enemies, and when you get to the end there's a cinematic where it looks like you're about to fight a really cool boss, but then someone comes in and kills the boss, you don't get to fight anyone, and the level ends.

Isn't that pretty much the bonus level from the first Lego Star Wars?

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"

Speed · 03-06-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

Uhh... how about a temple that's just a really long corridor full of enemies, and when you get to the end there's a cinematic where it looks like you're about to fight a really cool boss, but then someone comes in and kills the boss, you don't get to fight anyone, and the level ends.

Mr. Sir Val Mother ****er I presume?

Master Brian · 03-06-2010, 05:23 PM

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You don't have to lead the ghosts in OoT anywhere, they're not disguised as maidens, and they don't become the boss.

Key term being slightly and four of them. I specified for a reason. And if you want to get technical, they just combined the aspects of both games for that particular dungeon.

heh · 03-06-2010, 05:31 PM

desert fortress built into a canyon through which a sandstorm slices through the middle of it periodically

(doesn't translate into words as well as i thought. think like two forts in a small canyon on either side with bridge connecting them. like that one level in timesplitters 2)

also haunted house idea is obvious but good

1-up Salesman · 03-06-2010, 10:20 PM

A giant steampunk fortress up high in the sky, which Link has to collect a few items or something from dungeons to get to. There's tons of gears and stuff. Lots of conveyor belts.

Hyrule Castle turned evil or something like that.

How about a Boss being a dungeon. You get eaten by it or something, and you have to escape, similar to Ocarina of Time.

Expanding upon the haunted house or castle idea, it could be similar to Resident Evil. Now before you all jump on me and say that it would be a terrible idea, think about it. It would have all these big rooms and stuff, and you'd have to find keys to doors and blocks and stuff to unlock secret passages, all while fighting off ~~zombies~~ Redeads.

**Crazyswordsman** · 03-07-2010, 05:43 PM

I think we're overdue for a lightning-themed place with the Big Treasure Chest having a conducting rod that can absorb lightning power. Another good idea would be a dungeon based outdoors; every other dungeon seems to be in some sort of ruin.

Another idea would be a dungeon that you have to visit multiple times sort of like LttP's Hyrule Castle but that has other secret areas.

A third idea would be a dungeon that's actually part of a town but once you complete it you get like a shortcut or something (like the dungeon is used to get around a guard but when you finish you meet someone powerful and he lets you pass freely). -CSM

Jailbreaker · 03-07-2010, 08:20 PM

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Another idea would be a dungeon that you have to visit multiple times sort of like LttP's Hyrule Castle but that has other secret areas.

I want to say "Tower of Spirits", but that doesn't have many secrets.

Also, howzabout... somewhere, where gravity acts funny. It always pulls you towards your down, so if you do a headstand, you can walk on the ceiling. Or the walls.

Something involving a clock tower would be nice.

**Deku Trii** · 03-07-2010, 11:04 PM

You know how in Twilight Princess, in Hyrule Castle Town, some of the people in town were legit extras? Just some random character model walking around to fill space? It'd be interesting if they made a town where everyone seems scared and on edge and some of these random dudes attack you from time to time, a la Adventure of Link. I don't know if they'd be monsters in disguise, possessed by evil, or brainwashed, but it'd be neat if you'd have to deal with them non-lethally.

**X-3** · 03-07-2010, 11:39 PM

Maybe you could bribe them into joining your side.

CuccoLady · 03-08-2010, 01:26 AM

I love creepy, epic dungeons, and ruins are always a plus. That's mainly why I loved the Ikana part of MM so much... with Ikana Castle and Stone Tower Temple, that part of the game was pure epic. Something that scares me and makes me gawk simultaneously like these do would be very welcome in the next Zelda.

Now, as for a new dungeon concept.... I think that since some of the games have had more of a focus on time, it would be neat to have a dungeon whose design is central around time. Like, there could be a giant clock figure in the central room, and when you push the hand of the clock to each hour [or maybe it would only be 12, 3, 6, and 9] certain things change throughout the temple. Like maybe a certain type of block only appears when the hand is on the 3, and certain doors only open when the hand is not on 6, et cetera. And maybe in the early parts of the temple, everything is huge, and in each room after the enemies and blocks get smaller so it appears you are getting larger, like one does as they go through time. I just think a dungeon with a central theme of time could be really cool, especially since some of the Zelda games have been focusing on that idea.

03-05-2010, 06:13 PM	#26
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,222 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 5,553 Times in 2,499 Posts Blog Entries: 18	I can't think of anything. All the cliches have already been done. Uhh... how about a temple that's just a really long corridor full of enemies, and when you get to the end there's a cinematic where it looks like you're about to fight a really cool boss, but then someone comes in and kills the boss, you don't get to fight anyone, and the level ends. __________________

03-06-2010, 10:20 PM	#35
1-up Salesman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Your bedroom. I love it here! Gender: Posts: 3,861 Thanks: 2,071 Thanked 228 Times in 180 Posts Blog Entries: 9	A giant steampunk fortress up high in the sky, which Link has to collect a few items or something from dungeons to get to. There's tons of gears and stuff. Lots of conveyor belts. Hyrule Castle turned evil or something like that. How about a Boss being a dungeon. You get eaten by it or something, and you have to escape, similar to Ocarina of Time. Expanding upon the haunted house or castle idea, it could be similar to Resident Evil. Now before you all jump on me and say that it would be a terrible idea, think about it. It would have all these big rooms and stuff, and you'd have to find keys to doors and blocks and stuff to unlock secret passages, all while fighting off ~~zombies~~ Redeads. Last edited by 1-up Salesman; 03-06-2010 at 10:27 PM.

03-05-2010, 12:16 PM	#21
Master Brian Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Celtland Gender: Posts: 128 Thanks: 55 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	I think we've had one ship-based dungeon..."The Ghost Ship"(or whatever the correct term upon entering is) in Wind Waker, but Sunken Ships have appeared in one of the Oracle games, I think. If not, yeah, that'd be awesome. We do seriously need more "spooky" dungeons, though. The lack of them is disturbing.

03-05-2010, 12:23 PM	#22
X-3 No avatar, no justice, no dreams, no hope! Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,507 Thanks: 732 Thanked 1,158 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 10	EDIT: Warning: random rambling Here's a probably cliche idea: an ordinary dungeon, maybe some ruins or something. With traps, enemies, that sort of stuff. You get to the end, and...no boss. You get the QUEST ITEM and turn to leave...when the place starts shaking and weird noises play. Also, maybe flickering lights, that's always scary! Pots are thrown at you, new enemies arrive, and several new ways are opened. You have no 'portal', so you have to escape. Then at the end, you discover that the dungeon is either: A: Possessed by some evil spirit: you kill it, escape. B: The dungeon it's self is a sleeping monster somehow: you leave the dungeon, and it gets up and attacks you. Yeah, kinda silly sounding, but I like it. With the help of some allies Link manages to slay the beast, and it collapses. You can go back into the dungeon if you want: it's dead now. Now that I think about it, this could kinda work with Tazy's idea: you get what you need, and then the slime dungeon comes alive. ^I don't think that was a full-fledged dungeon, though.

03-05-2010, 12:36 PM	#23
Master Brian Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Celtland Gender: Posts: 128 Thanks: 55 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	^Never said it was. Mini-Dungeons have existed since atleast Ocarina of Time. I don't think any of ALttP or LA were counted towards the mini-dungeon count.

03-05-2010, 02:52 PM	#24
*the Octopus* THE PRESIDENT OF FUN Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 27,481 Thanks: 1,974 Thanked 5,121 Times in 2,320 Posts	There was a half-buried ship in OoS, but it wasn't a dungeon. There was indeed the ghost ship in WW, and I was disappointed there wasn't very much to it. There was also a very large ship dungeon in Phantom Hourglass, if I'm not mistaken. You had to gather the "maidens" in it, ala Blind the Thief in LttP.

03-05-2010, 03:01 PM	#25
Master Brian Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Celtland Gender: Posts: 128 Thanks: 55 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	^ Or Ocarina of Time, which the ghosts were slightly more based off of(being 4 of them). They may have had the same or similar names, but I forget. I did forget about that dungeon, I guess. Still not enough ship dungeons for my tastes, though.

03-05-2010, 09:28 PM	#27
*DJ Blue J* Moderator of Awesome Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 28,366 Thanks: 2,335 Thanked 1,698 Times in 917 Posts	I agree, ruins are usually win. I also like Boo's idea, with a social conflict you have to resolve within a dungeon. Also, Steampunk = awesome. Deku, that tide idea is awesome. I've always liked the idea of an underwater city, too. Not just a water temple or a submerged castle, but literally an entire city that's underwater. Maybe it would be a city that flooded over and was completely abandoned, and taken over by some race of evil fish-creatures (AKA River Zoraaaaas). Or Link could somehow get poisoned, and the dungeon would actually be Link's sub conscience fighting against the disease itself. It wouldn't even have to be inside the organs like Jabu Jabu's belly, but actually a wide variety of sceneries that Link would create in his head, or is forced to create because of the disease. This dungeon also has potential for a frighteningly awesome game over screen.

03-06-2010, 12:09 AM	#28
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03-06-2010, 12:49 AM	#29
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 8,930 Thanks: 490 Thanked 1,063 Times in 559 Posts	Maybe Link could find himself in a dungeon constructed by some hive-minded species of bug that's been corrupted by some dark relic to grow unnaturally large, aggressive, and assiduous in their nest building.

03-06-2010, 05:31 PM	#34
heh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lo-ca-tion; Noun- 1. a place or situation occupied: That house is in a fine location Gender: Posts: 9,766 Thanks: 706 Thanked 946 Times in 619 Posts	desert fortress built into a canyon through which a sandstorm slices through the middle of it periodically (doesn't translate into words as well as i thought. think like two forts in a small canyon on either side with bridge connecting them. like that one level in timesplitters 2) also haunted house idea is obvious but good

03-07-2010, 05:43 PM	#36
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,748 Thanks: 1,000 Thanked 683 Times in 464 Posts	I think we're overdue for a lightning-themed place with the Big Treasure Chest having a conducting rod that can absorb lightning power. Another good idea would be a dungeon based outdoors; every other dungeon seems to be in some sort of ruin. Another idea would be a dungeon that you have to visit multiple times sort of like LttP's Hyrule Castle but that has other secret areas. A third idea would be a dungeon that's actually part of a town but once you complete it you get like a shortcut or something (like the dungeon is used to get around a guard but when you finish you meet someone powerful and he lets you pass freely). -CSM

03-07-2010, 11:04 PM	#38
Deku Trii PP&R Mod Current Events Mod Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Texas Gender: Posts: 8,930 Thanks: 490 Thanked 1,063 Times in 559 Posts	You know how in Twilight Princess, in Hyrule Castle Town, some of the people in town were legit extras? Just some random character model walking around to fill space? It'd be interesting if they made a town where everyone seems scared and on edge and some of these random dudes attack you from time to time, a la Adventure of Link. I don't know if they'd be monsters in disguise, possessed by evil, or brainwashed, but it'd be neat if you'd have to deal with them non-lethally.

03-07-2010, 11:39 PM	#39
X-3 No avatar, no justice, no dreams, no hope! Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,507 Thanks: 732 Thanked 1,158 Times in 751 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Maybe you could bribe them into joining your side.

03-08-2010, 01:26 AM	#40
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 8,457 Thanks: 2,666 Thanked 1,076 Times in 725 Posts	I love creepy, epic dungeons, and ruins are always a plus. That's mainly why I loved the Ikana part of MM so much... with Ikana Castle and Stone Tower Temple, that part of the game was pure epic. Something that scares me and makes me gawk simultaneously like these do would be very welcome in the next Zelda. Now, as for a new dungeon concept.... I think that since some of the games have had more of a focus on time, it would be neat to have a dungeon whose design is central around time. Like, there could be a giant clock figure in the central room, and when you push the hand of the clock to each hour [or maybe it would only be 12, 3, 6, and 9] certain things change throughout the temple. Like maybe a certain type of block only appears when the hand is on the 3, and certain doors only open when the hand is not on 6, et cetera. And maybe in the early parts of the temple, everything is huge, and in each room after the enemies and blocks get smaller so it appears you are getting larger, like one does as they go through time. I just think a dungeon with a central theme of time could be really cool, especially since some of the Zelda games have been focusing on that idea.