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CuccoLady · 03-15-2010, 05:42 PM

Dude!!

Majora's mask is shaped like a heart.

The skull kid, who is under the Mask's power, goes out of his way to seal away the four Giants and destroy the world. You'll notice that these giants recently abandoned him and left him all alone, and since he was a prankster the rest of the world wouldn't play with him either, and left him alone as well.

So, the only things he attacks and/or destroys are the things that caused him pain.

I don't think the Mask POSSESSES its wearer so much as it just brings out the negative emotions within him or her. That's why it's shaped like a heart-- it represents the feelings of its wearer, but only the bad twisted evil ones.

So, the negative emotions of the Skull Kid are his resentment of the Giants for abandoning him, and the rest of the world for not accepting him either. Thus, when he wears the mask, it emphasizes these feelings, leading him to seal away the Giants and destroy the world.

Thoughts?

Master Brian · 03-15-2010, 05:44 PM

Wow, I never thought beyond the obvious shape. It makes a lot of sense too. Nice find!

Metal Mario · 03-15-2010, 05:55 PM

Good thoughts, although it seems as though Majora's Mask does indeed possess its wearer; before the final battle, Majora's Mask drops the Skull Kid like a hot potato and says something like, "This puppet's role is finished."

CuccoLady · 03-15-2010, 06:13 PM

Well yeah, it's clear the Mask is an entity of its own, but I mean that the form it does so is by using the very emotions of its wearer rather than just taking over. After Majora stops possessing the Skull Kid, you'll notice that it becomes waaaay more formidable as its own being. Before it was just feeding off of the Skull Kid's emotions and thoughts, but once it is its own being, it becomes megaultrabadass and starts pwning. Moreso than before, that is.

I just figure, there HAS to be a reason that Nintendo made one of the most evil things ever shaped like a heart.

**Valigarmander** · 03-15-2010, 07:14 PM

So basically... Majora's Mask turns you into an emo?

Speed · 03-15-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Valigarmander

So basically... Majora's Mask turns you into an emo?

An emo kid, non conforming as can be.

Metal Mario · 03-15-2010, 08:42 PM

Kind of like a Symbiote.

CuccoLady · 03-15-2010, 11:52 PM

@Val: Of course it does. It's the village of an RPG. ;{D

Kargath · 03-16-2010, 02:44 AM

It's the power of love.

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-16-2010, 08:48 AM

I know you like the game and all, and I'm happy that someone does (no, really), but that just makes it sound like a renamed Triforce of Power that happens to have a double purpose of making your face look like boobs.

**Valigarmander** · 03-16-2010, 02:44 PM

Hey, I liked the game too.

And I loved Tittymask.

CuccoLady · 03-17-2010, 12:30 AM

^^How so? The triforce of power just gives its user supply of power.. if its user uses it for evil, that's because the person himself is evil. The Mask manipulates its wearer by preying on his or her emotions.

If the Skull Kid got the Triforce of Power I doubt he would've done what he did with Majora's Mask, because it was that mask that made him go so out of wack evil pissed off nutso with majik powarz.

Also I do have to wonder about the logic behind putting huge round eyes on a mask like that and then placing them in the chest area of Majora's Incarnation. x{D

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-17-2010, 01:41 AM

Nix. Nada. Got your facts from a zelda fansite, it sounds like. Check out the Dark World backstory again, and while you're at it, investigate the rest of the zelda media before Nintendo started screwing with it. Whether or not you approve of sources like Valiant Comics, they were still officially authorized by Nintendo to depict the Zelda universe in the fashion that they chose. Considering that Miyamoto himself is incapable of not contradicting his canon, I don't see how any official outlet is less valid; even Link to the Past retconned certain aspects of the original two sequels.

Considering that, have a look at this summary of one of Valiant Comics' editions of their Nintendo series:

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Originally Posted by http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Triforce

In the Legend of Zelda comics, by Valiant, it is hinted that the Triforce of Power actually contributed to Ganondorf's dehumanization. At once point in the story, Link manages to take the Triforce of Power from Ganon and gains incredible magical ability. As a result, many of Ganon's minions forsake him and begin to follow Link. However, he soon begins to act less and less like himself, becoming cruel, greedy, and bent on revenge against Ganon. As a result, the Triforce of Courage disowns Link, and it is soon after revealed that Link has physically transformed into something resembling Ganon's pig-man form. Most disturbing of all is the spiritual dependency which Link has now formed, and which Ganon is shown to already have, with the Triforce of Power. If Link gives up the Triforce of Power, he will die, whereas Ganon is already dying without the Triforce to preserve his life.

CuccoLady · 03-17-2010, 11:56 PM

See, my problem with that is that the Triforce is a holy artifact. It was left behind by the goddesses as a blessing to the world, bearing its user with the attribute it is named after. I just don't see a Goddess who watches over the world leaving behind something that serves to dehumanize and screw up whoever uses it.

I always figured that Ganon was always a greedy man, but once he got what it was he was greedy for, he became greedier and greedier... with the power granted by the triforce, his greed extends to all of hyrule, etc etc etc.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a Goddess that created a world would leave behind a holy artifact that pretty much screws up its wearer into an inhuman beast.

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-18-2010, 12:07 AM

The point was that Wisdom and Courage are necessary to temper Power, because Power without the two deepens corruption.

Because Ganon does not possess either of the other two attributes, he cannot control those aspects of the Triforce, and it is divided. Without Wisdom and Courage, his behavior is exacerbated by the Triforce of Power, which is a reflection on the trait he already had.

If you'll recall, the Goddesses did not leave behind the Triforce. They sealed it away in a holy realm as the manifestation of their abilities. It is not judgmental, it reflects and amplifies the ideas in the heart of its user.

"Absolute power corrupts, absolutely."

You should keep in mind, as well, that before there were Goddesses, this explanation of the effects of the Triforce of Power existed. The Goddesses did not exist in-game until OoT, and the Triforce creation story isn't even canonically accurate - it is related via 3rd party, as you are never present during the creation of the world. It's entirely possible that it's all folklore and the Triforce has nothing to do with the Goddesses. Even the story of the Goddesses didn't exist outside of the games until LttP was released, with its related texts.

So, you can doubt the Triforce of Power's execution of that concept as the series has been retconned, but it does not mean that the concept was never applied to the Triforce of Power. If your speculations about the mask are true, then it's still just a retread of an old idea, and also makes the wearer's face look like boobs.

Robotazy · 03-18-2010, 12:14 AM

If I remember correctly, it's more like "Gannondorf takes Triforce of Power, takes over Hyrule with it, tries to get other pieces of Triforce.

In no place does it say that Gannondorf was corrupted by the Triforce of Power. That would,

A) Make the other Triforce Pieces corrupt Zelda and Link in some way.
B) Make the Goddess Evil.

Besides, Video Game Comic Books aren't meant to be taken seriously, especially since their 10 years old and made up things as they went along to justify video game logic.

CuccoLady · 03-18-2010, 12:28 AM

^^ Even if that is so [and I disagree, mainly because almost all of my Zelda experiences involve the games that do involve the goddesses], my idea of Majora's Mask isn't quite the same.

The Triforce of Power turns its wearer [by what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong] into a greedy beast, correct? Power-obsessed and corrupt.

Majora's Mask, by what I believe, feeds off of whatever contempt, hatred, loneliness, fear, etc that its wearer has and brings those out. If the Mask hadn't been picked up by such an emotionally unstable and confused person, it probably wouldn't have had anywhere near the effects.

However, even if these two are comparable, the fact stands that Majora is still its own entity. It utilizes whoever wears it [feeds off of his or her dark feelings, if you will] to gain power and control until, at the end, it has enough power to just toss aside its host and just pwn on its own. It's like a parasite-- it feeds off of the dark and evil emotions of its wearer, bringing them out and gaining power based on them, and in the end is able to gain total power and start totally owning.

The Triforce of Power, even if it can be considered corrupting by some, is not final boss material.

***Cosmonautical*** · 03-18-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Belt Tazy

If I remember correctly, it's more like "Gannondorf takes Triforce of Power, takes over Hyrule with it, tries to get other pieces of Triforce.

In no place does it say that Gannondorf was corrupted by the Triforce of Power. That would,

A) Make the other Triforce Pieces corrupt Zelda and Link in some way.
B) Make the Goddess Evil.

Besides, Video Game Comic Books aren't meant to be taken seriously, especially since their 10 years old and made up things as they went along to justify video game logic.

A) Wrong, with only wisdom a person is impotent. With only courage, a person is foolhardy and wreckless. With only power, a person is blind to its true effects, and lacking courage reacts wildly to fear.
B) I addressed this, see my above post.

Besides, the Video Game Series isn't meant to be taken seriously, especially since it's 24 years old and just made up things as it went along to justify player engagement.

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Originally Posted by CuccoLady

The Triforce of Power, even if it can be considered corrupting by some, is not final boss material.

No, you're right, it only lured the covetous King of Thieves into its domain and perverted an entire reality in the absence of Wisdom and Courage by sheer presence.

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Originally Posted by CuccoLady

[and I disagree, mainly because almost all of my Zelda experiences involve the games that do involve the goddesses]

You can't disagree. What I said is a factual observation, not an opinion. You can't really pretend the newer games are more valid, or that the older ones don't exist. I'm not talking about something that is an in-game theory, here. I'm talking about what was done with the Zelda universe in media, by the creators of that media.

That makes it a retread of a similar or same concept, and my point in that is that it would just be bland and unoriginal to evoke a plot based around the same contrite old ideas. Arguably, the whole game's premise was an alternate-reality of Hyrule - a copout on new content at its best. They needed something to slot into the Triforce spot. Just like the Minish Cap is something that slots into the Triforce spot. Just like, when the Triforce was pointlessly unavailable in the backstory to Wind Waker, "prayers to the gods" was a convenient catchall to flood the land and prevent Ganon's rule, but ultimately is a gaping plothole.

CuccoLady · 03-18-2010, 01:05 AM

^ I don't see how you can dismiss the connection between the goddesses and the Triforce so easily. No, it wasn't in the earlier games, but it IS in the later games, and the later games are still Zelda canon.

And I am basing this based on my gaming experiences. Ganon is a greedy douche, he gets his hands on the Triforce, he gets power, power corrupts, becomes a bigger douche.

Majora's Mask brings out the troubles and fears of its wearer, feeds off of it, and becomes its own entity. Try as it might, the Triforce on its own cannot do anything. It NEEDS a wearer. Majora's Mask uses a host to gain power, but once it does so it is its own entity, has its own mind, and can do whatever the hell it wants. The Triforce still needs a bearer.

Yes, it has the same plot device as the Triforce of Power, but is far more malicious in my opinion. Majora's Mask makes the doom upon the land imminent; it instills fear in people, causing them to become desperate and troubled. Also, I really liked how fleshed-out the Skull Kid and his reasons behind taking the Mask are [not 'i r greedy, i take evil triforce to take over world muahahaha']. This is a deviation from the argument I know but I liked having a villain [or at least, the villain's host in this case] that was easy to sympathize with. It made me connect with the game more.

**Valigarmander** · 03-18-2010, 01:18 AM

Sort of related to the thread, but some people say that Midna's Fused Shadow looks suspiciously similar to Majora's Mask.

Others have also noticed the same designs with the Goron guardian in TP.

Just throwing that out there because it's kewl. Also, CL, AI is never going to love MM. Your efforts are all futile.

03-15-2010, 05:42 PM	#1
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	OMG Dude!! Majora's mask is shaped like a heart. The skull kid, who is under the Mask's power, goes out of his way to seal away the four Giants and destroy the world. You'll notice that these giants recently abandoned him and left him all alone, and since he was a prankster the rest of the world wouldn't play with him either, and left him alone as well. So, the only things he attacks and/or destroys are the things that caused him pain. I don't think the Mask POSSESSES its wearer so much as it just brings out the negative emotions within him or her. That's why it's shaped like a heart-- it represents the feelings of its wearer, but only the bad twisted evil ones. So, the negative emotions of the Skull Kid are his resentment of the Giants for abandoning him, and the rest of the world for not accepting him either. Thus, when he wears the mask, it emphasizes these feelings, leading him to seal away the Giants and destroy the world. Thoughts?

03-18-2010, 12:07 AM	#15
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	The point was that Wisdom and Courage are necessary to temper Power, because Power without the two deepens corruption. Because Ganon does not possess either of the other two attributes, he cannot control those aspects of the Triforce, and it is divided. Without Wisdom and Courage, his behavior is exacerbated by the Triforce of Power, which is a reflection on the trait he already had. If you'll recall, the Goddesses did not leave behind the Triforce. They sealed it away in a holy realm as the manifestation of their abilities. It is not judgmental, it reflects and amplifies the ideas in the heart of its user. "Absolute power corrupts, absolutely." You should keep in mind, as well, that before there were Goddesses, this explanation of the effects of the Triforce of Power existed. The Goddesses did not exist in-game until OoT, and the Triforce creation story isn't even canonically accurate - it is related via 3rd party, as you are never present during the creation of the world. It's entirely possible that it's all folklore and the Triforce has nothing to do with the Goddesses. Even the story of the Goddesses didn't exist outside of the games until LttP was released, with its related texts. So, you can doubt the Triforce of Power's execution of that concept as the series has been retconned, but it does not mean that the concept was never applied to the Triforce of Power. If your speculations about the mask are true, then it's still just a retread of an old idea, and also makes the wearer's face look like boobs. Last edited by Cosmonautical; 03-18-2010 at 12:22 AM.

03-15-2010, 05:44 PM	#2
Master Brian Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Celtland Gender: Posts: 128 Thanks: 55 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Wow, I never thought beyond the obvious shape. It makes a lot of sense too. Nice find!

03-15-2010, 05:55 PM	#3
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	Good thoughts, although it seems as though Majora's Mask does indeed possess its wearer; before the final battle, Majora's Mask drops the Skull Kid like a hot potato and says something like, "This puppet's role is finished."

03-15-2010, 06:13 PM	#4
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	Well yeah, it's clear the Mask is an entity of its own, but I mean that the form it does so is by using the very emotions of its wearer rather than just taking over. After Majora stops possessing the Skull Kid, you'll notice that it becomes waaaay more formidable as its own being. Before it was just feeding off of the Skull Kid's emotions and thoughts, but once it is its own being, it becomes megaultrabadass and starts pwning. Moreso than before, that is. I just figure, there HAS to be a reason that Nintendo made one of the most evil things ever shaped like a heart.

03-15-2010, 07:14 PM	#5
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	So basically... Majora's Mask turns you into an emo?

03-15-2010, 08:42 PM	#7
Metal Mario Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Gender: Posts: 16,435 Thanks: 72 Thanked 190 Times in 127 Posts	Kind of like a Symbiote.

03-15-2010, 11:52 PM	#8
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	@Val: Of course it does. It's the village of an RPG. ;{D

03-16-2010, 02:44 AM	#9
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	It's the power of love.

03-16-2010, 08:48 AM	#10
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,102 Thanks: 2,157 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	I know you like the game and all, and I'm happy that someone does (no, really), but that just makes it sound like a renamed Triforce of Power that happens to have a double purpose of making your face look like boobs.

03-16-2010, 02:44 PM	#11
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Hey, I liked the game too. And I loved Tittymask.

03-17-2010, 12:30 AM	#12
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	^^How so? The triforce of power just gives its user supply of power.. if its user uses it for evil, that's because the person himself is evil. The Mask manipulates its wearer by preying on his or her emotions. If the Skull Kid got the Triforce of Power I doubt he would've done what he did with Majora's Mask, because it was that mask that made him go so out of wack evil pissed off nutso with majik powarz. Also I do have to wonder about the logic behind putting huge round eyes on a mask like that and then placing them in the chest area of Majora's Incarnation. x{D

03-17-2010, 11:56 PM	#14
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	See, my problem with that is that the Triforce is a holy artifact. It was left behind by the goddesses as a blessing to the world, bearing its user with the attribute it is named after. I just don't see a Goddess who watches over the world leaving behind something that serves to dehumanize and screw up whoever uses it. I always figured that Ganon was always a greedy man, but once he got what it was he was greedy for, he became greedier and greedier... with the power granted by the triforce, his greed extends to all of hyrule, etc etc etc. It just doesn't make sense to me that a Goddess that created a world would leave behind a holy artifact that pretty much screws up its wearer into an inhuman beast.

03-18-2010, 12:14 AM	#16
Robotazy PRESS ANY KEY TO PANIC! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: A Tiny Shed Gender: Posts: 16,483 Thanks: 529 Thanked 1,254 Times in 897 Posts Blog Entries: 46	If I remember correctly, it's more like "Gannondorf takes Triforce of Power, takes over Hyrule with it, tries to get other pieces of Triforce. In no place does it say that Gannondorf was corrupted by the Triforce of Power. That would, A) Make the other Triforce Pieces corrupt Zelda and Link in some way. B) Make the Goddess Evil. Besides, Video Game Comic Books aren't meant to be taken seriously, especially since their 10 years old and made up things as they went along to justify video game logic.

03-18-2010, 12:28 AM	#17
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	^^ Even if that is so [and I disagree, mainly because almost all of my Zelda experiences involve the games that do involve the goddesses], my idea of Majora's Mask isn't quite the same. The Triforce of Power turns its wearer [by what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong] into a greedy beast, correct? Power-obsessed and corrupt. Majora's Mask, by what I believe, feeds off of whatever contempt, hatred, loneliness, fear, etc that its wearer has and brings those out. If the Mask hadn't been picked up by such an emotionally unstable and confused person, it probably wouldn't have had anywhere near the effects. However, even if these two are comparable, the fact stands that Majora is still its own entity. It utilizes whoever wears it [feeds off of his or her dark feelings, if you will] to gain power and control until, at the end, it has enough power to just toss aside its host and just pwn on its own. It's like a parasite-- it feeds off of the dark and evil emotions of its wearer, bringing them out and gaining power based on them, and in the end is able to gain total power and start totally owning. The Triforce of Power, even if it can be considered corrupting by some, is not final boss material.

03-18-2010, 01:05 AM	#19
CuccoLady Anime and Cartoons Mod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: THIS LOCATION REMINDS ME OF A PUZZLE, LUKE Gender: Posts: 9,077 Thanks: 2,825 Thanked 1,222 Times in 822 Posts	^ I don't see how you can dismiss the connection between the goddesses and the Triforce so easily. No, it wasn't in the earlier games, but it IS in the later games, and the later games are still Zelda canon. And I am basing this based on my gaming experiences. Ganon is a greedy douche, he gets his hands on the Triforce, he gets power, power corrupts, becomes a bigger douche. Majora's Mask brings out the troubles and fears of its wearer, feeds off of it, and becomes its own entity. Try as it might, the Triforce on its own cannot do anything. It NEEDS a wearer. Majora's Mask uses a host to gain power, but once it does so it is its own entity, has its own mind, and can do whatever the hell it wants. The Triforce still needs a bearer. Yes, it has the same plot device as the Triforce of Power, but is far more malicious in my opinion. Majora's Mask makes the doom upon the land imminent; it instills fear in people, causing them to become desperate and troubled. Also, I really liked how fleshed-out the Skull Kid and his reasons behind taking the Mask are [not 'i r greedy, i take evil triforce to take over world muahahaha']. This is a deviation from the argument I know but I liked having a villain [or at least, the villain's host in this case] that was easy to sympathize with. It made me connect with the game more.

03-18-2010, 01:18 AM	#20
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Sort of related to the thread, but some people say that Midna's Fused Shadow looks suspiciously similar to Majora's Mask. Others have also noticed the same designs with the Goron guardian in TP. Just throwing that out there because it's kewl. Also, CL, AI is never going to love MM. Your efforts are all futile.