Fricking aquatic temples.

**Valigarmander** · 10-02-2011, 07:01 PM

I've been replaying Majora's Mask recently, and I've started thinking about the game's water temple (the Great Bay Temple), and the Water Temple from Ocarina of Time. Both of them are (arguably) the most aggravating in their games. The Water Temple has multiple levels, tons of locked doors, and water manipulation puzzles. The Great Bay Temple has complex a complex layout of pipes and waterworks, and the water flow must be manipulated to move from one area to another. Both temples are complicated in design, and are easy to get lost or stuck in.

For the life of me, I can't decide which one I hate more. For those of you who have played both games, which dungeon do you think is worse?

Feel free to discuss other annoying LoZ dungeons in this thread.

**X-3** · 10-02-2011, 07:15 PM

I'll give my vote to the Great Bay Temple because every time I do it I get lost somehow. I don't know how I do it.

Chaos Deviot · 10-02-2011, 09:37 PM

Great Bay. It's actually quite a challenge. I just don't find the Water Temple all that hard, even as a young kid. Confusing at most, honestly.

But then again, I liked having to re-equip the Iron Boosts often, so YMMV.

The Missing Link · 10-03-2011, 12:38 AM

Both temples are easy.

It's the boss of Great Bay Temple that knocks my balls around.

**Loot** · 10-03-2011, 12:47 AM

I didn't think the Great Bay boss was too difficult, pretty much always stayed on the platforms. The Water Temple boss, however, was a pain in the ass.

Maybe I never thought it was hard because every time I refought it I just slipped the Fierce Deity Mask on and utterly humiliated the stupid thing.

And both temples can go suck it. Managing different water levels, managing currents, too tedious. Great Bay wasn't as frustrating but goddamn working against the clock, even with Reverse Song of Time, sucked. At least Stone Tower Temple actually had puzzles for as long as it was (Never completed before hitting third day).

Jere · 10-03-2011, 01:53 AM

I absolutley loathe Lord jabu jabu in oracle of ages, I just feel it being confusing and hard to get your head around.

But if you have a hard time i have a tip for you val:

Speed Demos Archive - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

make sure you get the torrent instead of just watching it directly he have some great commentary on how to beat the game the fast way.

Kargath · 10-03-2011, 06:18 AM

I never found the OOT water temple difficult - though I'm considerably better at puzzle games than a lot of people. I don't really see where it's rep comes from.

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-03-2011, 01:21 PM

MM won by default by being part of a game I would not like to play. I think the OoT water temple was awkward, but it wasn't near as confusing as the forest temple, when I played it the first time.

Personally, my least favorite dungeon in the game was Lord Jabu. I hate those electric jellyfish things - they were a pain in LttP but put them in 3D and make them somewhat homing and it's magnified by like 10 times.

As a positive about OoT, the dungeons in it were generally great. Maybe not enough Gels, Zols, or other traditional monsters, but the design was pretty good. Then again, I think that's true of most dungeons.

Couldn't imagine ever wanting to play MM's dungeons with their timer on, though.

***Marilink*** · 10-03-2011, 07:34 PM

^Timer?

I definitely think that the Great Bay Temple is way way worse. I always end up going through the motions and losing track of what exactly it is I'm supposed to be doing...

**X-3** · 10-03-2011, 08:15 PM

He means the "beat the temple in 3 days" thing, though I don't think that really becomes much of a problem with the Inverted Song of Time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loot

I didn't think the Great Bay boss was too difficult, pretty much always stayed on the platforms. The Water Temple boss, however, was a pain in the ass.

You're weird.

***Marilink*** · 10-03-2011, 10:16 PM

3 days is more than ample time to beat each dungeon even if time isn't slowed down...

**Valigarmander** · 10-03-2011, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loot

I didn't think the Great Bay boss was too difficult, pretty much always stayed on the platforms. The Water Temple boss, however, was a pain in the ass.

Gyorg? That annoying dipstick of a boss? And Morpha? That lame pushover of a boss?

What's wrong with you, man?

***Cosmonautical*** · 10-04-2011, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marilink

3 days is more than ample time to beat each dungeon even if time isn't slowed down...

I don't play like that.

**Loot** · 10-04-2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valigarmander

Gyorg? That annoying dipstick of a boss? And Morpha? That lame pushover of a boss?

What's wrong with you, man?

You actually had trouble with Gyorg? You thought Morpha was easy?

You messing with my head?

***Heroine of the Dragon*** · 10-04-2011, 02:34 AM

BAH!!!!!! to both water temples... and water temple bosses, especially Gyorg!!!

**Valigarmander** · 10-04-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loot

You actually had trouble with Gyorg? You thought Morpha was easy?

You messing with my head?

Morpha was the lamest boss in the game. I was expecting him to transform into something that was actually menacing when suddenly he died. It was a bit of a letdown after Dark Link, who was actually somewhat challenging.

Gyorg is just a bitch who gobbles up your ass whenever you dive down to attack him. Granted, he's not horrible once you get down how to damage him, but still, he's the most annoying boss in a game full of annoying bosses.

***Marilink*** · 10-04-2011, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WITH GRUBS

I don't play like that.

Care to elaborate?

Dizzy · 10-04-2011, 01:53 PM

^I think that means he likes to stare intently at everything.

**Crazyswordsman** · 10-04-2011, 05:14 PM

I don't think there's a video game I've played outside the Mario series where swimming was enjoyable. -CSM

Blake · 10-04-2011, 05:22 PM

Lol the MOST annoying feature of the MOST annoying boss is the cutscene when Gyorg releases the skull fish from his mouth.

The ending of this cinema puts you in a very specific position in the water and unless you do not know you need to physically swim AROUND the platform about a quarter to a half way clockwise(I'm pretty sure it's clockwise at least) BEFORE boarding the platform, I guarantee you will be gobbled up by Gyorg for a cheap shot worth 2 hearts.

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10-02-2011, 07:01 PM	#1
Valigarmander The Bee's Knees Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The land of rain and trees (Oregon) Gender: Posts: 29,755 Thanks: 1,649 Thanked 5,701 Times in 2,581 Posts Blog Entries: 20	Fricking aquatic temples. I've been replaying Majora's Mask recently, and I've started thinking about the game's water temple (the Great Bay Temple), and the Water Temple from Ocarina of Time. Both of them are (arguably) the most aggravating in their games. The Water Temple has multiple levels, tons of locked doors, and water manipulation puzzles. The Great Bay Temple has complex a complex layout of pipes and waterworks, and the water flow must be manipulated to move from one area to another. Both temples are complicated in design, and are easy to get lost or stuck in. For the life of me, I can't decide which one I hate more. For those of you who have played both games, which dungeon do you think is worse? Feel free to discuss other annoying LoZ dungeons in this thread.

10-02-2011, 07:15 PM	#2
X-3 Useful as an Owl Join Date: Jan 2004 Gender: Posts: 15,947 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,213 Times in 790 Posts Blog Entries: 10	I'll give my vote to the Great Bay Temple because every time I do it I get lost somehow. I don't know how I do it.

10-02-2011, 09:37 PM	#3
Chaos Deviot The Betrayer Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mt. Moon Gender: Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 171 Thanked 52 Times in 49 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Great Bay. It's actually quite a challenge. I just don't find the Water Temple all that hard, even as a young kid. Confusing at most, honestly. But then again, I liked having to re-equip the Iron Boosts often, so YMMV.

10-03-2011, 12:38 AM	#4
The Missing Link Professional Lurker Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Hyrule, Washington, US Gender: Posts: 17,128 Thanks: 405 Thanked 606 Times in 368 Posts	Both temples are easy. It's the boss of Great Bay Temple that knocks my balls around.

10-03-2011, 12:47 AM	#5
Loot Apparently I'm a mod? Join Date: May 2001 Location: LEGITIMATE BUSINESS Gender: Posts: 13,208 Thanks: 236 Thanked 1,237 Times in 659 Posts	I didn't think the Great Bay boss was too difficult, pretty much always stayed on the platforms. The Water Temple boss, however, was a pain in the ass. Maybe I never thought it was hard because every time I refought it I just slipped the Fierce Deity Mask on and utterly humiliated the stupid thing. And both temples can go suck it. Managing different water levels, managing currents, too tedious. Great Bay wasn't as frustrating but goddamn working against the clock, even with Reverse Song of Time, sucked. At least Stone Tower Temple actually had puzzles for as long as it was (Never completed before hitting third day).

10-03-2011, 01:53 AM	#6
Jere Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sutme Gender: Posts: 3,650 Thanks: 404 Thanked 332 Times in 257 Posts Blog Entries: 3	I absolutley loathe Lord jabu jabu in oracle of ages, I just feel it being confusing and hard to get your head around. But if you have a hard time i have a tip for you val: Speed Demos Archive - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask make sure you get the torrent instead of just watching it directly he have some great commentary on how to beat the game the fast way.

10-03-2011, 06:18 AM	#7
Kargath et in Arcadia ego Join Date: Jul 2001 Gender: Posts: 8,334 Thanks: 1,226 Thanked 780 Times in 488 Posts	I never found the OOT water temple difficult - though I'm considerably better at puzzle games than a lot of people. I don't really see where it's rep comes from.

10-03-2011, 01:21 PM	#8
*Cosmonautical* Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I rub my tilde all over your asterisk Gender: Posts: 28,103 Thanks: 2,158 Thanked 5,338 Times in 2,433 Posts	MM won by default by being part of a game I would not like to play. I think the OoT water temple was awkward, but it wasn't near as confusing as the forest temple, when I played it the first time. Personally, my least favorite dungeon in the game was Lord Jabu. I hate those electric jellyfish things - they were a pain in LttP but put them in 3D and make them somewhat homing and it's magnified by like 10 times. As a positive about OoT, the dungeons in it were generally great. Maybe not enough Gels, Zols, or other traditional monsters, but the design was pretty good. Then again, I think that's true of most dungeons. Couldn't imagine ever wanting to play MM's dungeons with their timer on, though.

10-03-2011, 07:34 PM	#9
*Marilink* Gotta catch 'em all! Supermod! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 29,118 Thanks: 2,536 Thanked 1,823 Times in 1,008 Posts	^Timer? I definitely think that the Great Bay Temple is way way worse. I always end up going through the motions and losing track of what exactly it is I'm supposed to be doing...

10-03-2011, 10:16 PM	#11
*Marilink* Gotta catch 'em all! Supermod! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Location, Location. Gender: Posts: 29,118 Thanks: 2,536 Thanked 1,823 Times in 1,008 Posts	3 days is more than ample time to beat each dungeon even if time isn't slowed down...

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*Heroine of the Dragon* The Grinnie Fool! ♥♥♥ VGFCodes Staff Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Twinklebutton Wintersprout Gender: Posts: 31,454 Thanks: 864 Thanked 851 Times in 632 Posts Blog Entries: 1	BAH!!!!!! to both water temples... and water temple bosses, especially Gyorg!!!

10-04-2011, 01:53 PM	#18
Dizzy Podiaphobe Join Date: Oct 2007 Gender: Posts: 19,359 Thanks: 1,764 Thanked 1,162 Times in 805 Posts Blog Entries: 116	^I think that means he likes to stare intently at everything.

10-04-2011, 05:14 PM	#19
Crazyswordsman This key doesn't work. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Booyaville (yeah!) Gender: Posts: 10,791 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 686 Times in 467 Posts	I don't think there's a video game I've played outside the Mario series where swimming was enjoyable. -CSM

10-04-2011, 05:22 PM	#20
Blake Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: A generic place such as a house Gender: Posts: 4,628 Thanks: 1,489 Thanked 206 Times in 148 Posts	Lol the MOST annoying feature of the MOST annoying boss is the cutscene when Gyorg releases the skull fish from his mouth. The ending of this cinema puts you in a very specific position in the water and unless you do not know you need to physically swim AROUND the platform about a quarter to a half way clockwise(I'm pretty sure it's clockwise at least) BEFORE boarding the platform, I guarantee you will be gobbled up by Gyorg for a cheap shot worth 2 hearts.